Journey Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 OK, so this may not belong here... I've seen some dogs recently that "park out", like a Morgan or Saddlebred horse does. What is it up with this? The dogs are not weak anywhere, proportionally put together, maybe just slightly high in the rear but not really noticeable. Is this stance just comfortable? They are not short in the back (like a Morgan is) nor are they out of balance as far as looking at them, not heavy on the front, not over angulated on the rear. Just curious if anyone knows the "why do they do that". And strangely enough it's been bitches that I see doing this. Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Are these dogs that have been taught to do this for showing? I know that dogs that compete in the show ring are taught "how" to stand and parking out seems to be something that handlers of some breeds train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Nope hard core working dogs! And they do this on their own, while waiting to work or just watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 My Kat will do that. Don't know why. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 My Kat will do that. Don't know why. Add another bitch to the equation....I just want to know "why". I've seen Kat, built about the same as the others I have seen that park out...nothing weird at all. Is Kat a tad high in the rear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I would say she is a little high though that may be a bit of an illusion since she also crouches a bit in front. She's very compact, FWIW. I know I have a picture of her standing like that, but I can't seem to find it easily. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenajo Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Grace has always done that, just like her sire. Long back, long legs - sometimes I think they are so busy watching with the front end they loose connection with the back LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I am not familiar with the term- can you elaborate? Any pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sea4th Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I am not familiar with the term- can you elaborate? Any pics? Me either. Is this a "horse" term? Would it be like conformation GSD's set up for a show pose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoloRiver Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 It's a horse term. Certain breeds are shown "stretched" with their back feet planted behind them. I kinda think this horse has been gingered too, but I wouldn't really know. I guess her tail is probably "just" cut and set. I've never hung with the Saddlebred crowd and never actually been around these kinds of horses, just read about it. Discussion of "parking out" here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Parking Out - in hand classes for Morgans Here's a few shots. It's nothing like what the show dogs are taught to do. This is where the front is underneath them but the rear is stretched out. Weight is pulled forward but not off balance per se. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 The photo Melanie posted is pretty extreme. I'm guessing that Karen wasn't referring to dogs parking out quite that much. With Kat, I've often wondered if she doesn't just start out standing normally and then sort of lean forward and move her front feet, leaving her back feet behind, like she's ready to go (take off), but hasn't pulled her back end up to where it belongs yet (if that poor description makes sense). J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenajo Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 That pic is way extreme. The traditional "park out" was to drop a horse's back so you could mount easier. The front legs dropped straight down and normal, the back legs were way out back as to artificially drop the back. As with anything "show" it's get over done. Julie's description of Kat fits my Grace to a tee. I've noticed she does this worse when she's watching and not actually working. When she's working she tends to spread her hinds legs out for better lateral "dig" with her toes to turn. Basically on "sheep" she can remember she has a back end LOL The photo Melanie posted is pretty extreme. I'm guessing that Karen wasn't referring to dogs parking out quite that much. With Kat, I've often wondered if she doesn't just start out standing normally and then sort of lean forward and move her front feet, leaving her back feet behind, like she's ready to go (take off), but hasn't pulled her back end up to where it belongs yet (if that poor description makes sense). J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Yes!! ^^^^^ You hit it dead on. Thank you Julie With the horses they plant the rear (Morgans that is) and then stretch the front out w/o moving the rear. The front stays perpendicular - leg completely under shoulder. And yes, Melanie's picture is "extreme" (tail most likely is cut and gingered!). The thought for the beginning of this was to allow the rider to mount. However, with the dogs, their take off, from what I have seen, is not hinderd from this position, maybe not "as" powerful but I wasn't really watching "that" I was looking at the stance and wondering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenajo Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 This 1966 Morgan pic shows a great view of what the original "park" stance looked like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northborderrookie Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I’ve never heard it called parking in the show ring. Some breeds are stood with their back legs further out. Border Collie would not be one that it should be done with. They should be stood ith their rear’s set so that the hock is perpendicular to the ground, it should not be set so far back as in the first example horse picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyF Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Of course, being a non-horse person I now have to ask. What is gingering?? More than one of you have referred to that. TIA Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 This 1966 Morgan pic shows a great view of what the original "park" stance looked like Now there's an old-fashioned morgan! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Northborderrookie, We're not talking about how the dogs stand in a show ring; we're comparing how they stand while getting ready to work compared to how some show horses stand in the show ring. There's a big difference, and I can assure you that the folks participating in this discussion aren't very interested about how dogs are stacked in the show ring. Kathy, Gingering involves placing ginger in a place where the sun don't shine so that horses with a naturally high tail carriage--generally arabians, which don't have tails broken and set like the saddlebreds do--will carry their tails even higher for greater flash and show in the ring. It's not supposed to be allowed, but people will do anything to win. You can imagine how painful/irritating it is to the horse. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 EWWWW Gross... Okay, now, back to adult convo- I see absolutely no value in positioning a horse in that way, unless as was said it was easier to mount the horse, but even then, if it were uncomfortable for the horse, I wouldn't do it. If I were looking to buy a horse, I want to see the parts "where they lay" naturally. As to dogs doing this, I can't even visualize even a moderate version of this. Maybe it's a doggy version of Pilates? Maybe they are stretching their core? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyF Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Thanks Julie. Even tho I have heard of breaking tails in horses, I still just can't believe it. What people will do to their animals for the show ring. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Julie W. It's not uncomfortable for the horse and apparently not the dogs either. With the Morgans, they just "do it" sure you tweak it but I've seen these dog just "do it" as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Not to be picky-une (sp?) but how do you know it doesn't bother horses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Because I grew up with Morgans and still have one. None of them, not one, did not offer this stance on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 OH, they offer it on their own. I was under the impression that they were put in that position. Makes sense that they wouldn't put themselves in an uncomfortable position. The *only* horse that ever kicked me was a Morgan.... Because I grew up with Morgans and still have one. None of them, not one, did not offer this stance on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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