jeverist Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 This really nice intact bitch with no collar wandered onto a farm about 40 miles south of here (Brandon, SD) about a month ago. No owner was found and she eventually came to live here on our acreage. Two other dogs, 4 horses, cats, etc. No problems with socialization so far, but she has only been here for a week. We had her figured as a BC cross, with everyone at the local vets office guessing Rotweiller because of the markings. But now we're wondering if she could be a full BC, as we have discovered this color possibility on the net. She does have a small white patch on her chest, weighs 46 lbs and stands 17 1/2 inches at the shoulder, between 1 - 2 years. She is calm (except when playing or a vehicle is in sight), sweet, and trains easily. She could be an agility star, don't know about her herding sense but she is calm and not aggressive around the horses. We haven't put her in any kind of a herding situation yet, but she is eager to please and does not like being left in the large fenced yard when we are working with and around the horses. All in all we don't understand how this beautiful dog could have been abandoned. Would appreciate any opinions on her parentage, or if her size is large for a BC. Thanks in advance. Nancy & John Everist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfaircloth Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Thanks for taking in that sweet dog! Do you have a picture you can share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeverist Posted December 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 I thought that I did attach a pic. Still trying to figure it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWBC Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 If you love her keep her away from the horses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeverist Posted December 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 OK, got the picture of Nell added to the original post. Horses are barefoot. Is there any significant difference in a horse or a cow kick as long as there's no steel in the equation? I thought lots of folks used BC's on cattle. Thanks for your concern, we do love our critters. Our red heeler loves to encourage the horses from the pastures into the paddocks, but both he and the horses have been trained to respect each others respective abilities. This new dog might put us in the wool business tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Momma Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 So cute! She looks like my Murray (Border Collie/Australian Shep). So I would say it's possible she may be along the same lines as Murray's mom was the same mix (His dad was 100% Border Collie) and about your gal's size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalahundur Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 If you love her keep her away from the horses Are you scared of horses? Of course one should not use dogs to work horses (@Jeverist, yes also barefoot kicks can kill or severely injure your dog). But as we round up our sheep on horseback it is essential that the dogs can be around horses and behave. So I take my dogs along when I do something with the horses, and teach them manners along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffles Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Are you scared of horses? Of course one should not use dogs to work horses I'm sure that was the point they were making. Lots of people seem to think BC's should or can be used to "herd" horses and they were probably warning the OP that BC's don't work horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcv-border Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 What a cutie! Thank you for giving her a home. I am glad she is fitting in. I have also heard that you should not use BCs to work/herd horses due to the potential for a lethal kick. But if the dog behaves, no reason not to let her run along on trail rides. She could be BC, BC/Aussie mix or BC mix or Aussie mix. As many people on this forum will say - if it herds like a BC, then there is a high probability it is a BC. (Sorry if I paraphrased that wrong, but I hope I got the idea across.) Jovi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon 45 Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 She looks like a small English Shepherd to me. There was a breeder in Southern Oklahoma who produced registered English Shepherds whose dogs pretty much match the coloring of this dog. Breeder is no longer in operation now last I heard. http://www.google.com/imgres?q=english+shepherd&num=10&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1440&bih=743&tbm=isch&tbnid=pH6GiyG_0EzSBM:&imgrefurl=http://www.carouselfarm.com/englishshepherds.html&docid=fKSoZVvmXEHSZM&imgurl=http://www.carouselfarm.com/Rex.jpg&w=806&h=587&ei=V2vKUNnZEseerAH-1YGIDQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=400&vpy=346&dur=3095&hovh=192&hovw=263&tx=170&ty=94&sig=104728381892018226327&page=1&tbnh=162&tbnw=231&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0,i:178 http://www.google.com/imgres?q=english+shepherd&num=10&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1440&bih=743&tbm=isch&tbnid=1PB9z0o8n6J9oM:&imgrefurl=http://www.whiteoakenglishshepherds.com/Enka_pg2.html&docid=9-HN0xfsqYCFXM&imgurl=http://www.whiteoakenglishshepherds.com/images/Enka_Kira_2_days_old.JPG&w=421&h=288&ei=V2vKUNnZEseerAH-1YGIDQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=761&vpy=336&dur=3921&hovh=186&hovw=272&tx=87&ty=111&sig=104728381892018226327&page=2&tbnh=161&tbnw=242&start=21&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:40,s:0,i:276 This really nice intact bitch with no collar wandered onto a farm about 40 miles south of here (Brandon, SD) about a month ago. No owner was found and she eventually came to live here on our acreage. Two other dogs, 4 horses, cats, etc. No problems with socialization so far, but she has only been here for a week. We had her figured as a BC cross, with everyone at the local vets office guessing Rotweiller because of the markings. But now we're wondering if she could be a full BC, as we have discovered this color possibility on the net. She does have a small white patch on her chest, weighs 46 lbs and stands 17 1/2 inches at the shoulder, between 1 - 2 years. She is calm (except when playing or a vehicle is in sight), sweet, and trains easily. She could be an agility star, don't know about her herding sense but she is calm and not aggressive around the horses. We haven't put her in any kind of a herding situation yet, but she is eager to please and does not like being left in the large fenced yard when we are working with and around the horses. All in all we don't understand how this beautiful dog could have been abandoned. Would appreciate any opinions on her parentage, or if her size is large for a BC. Thanks in advance. Nancy & John Everist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeverist Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Thanks for the answers! @Dragoon: I found a breed comparison chart ( BC, ES, and Aussie) and she matches the English Shepherd criteria right down the line until we get to working style. As stated we haven't put her in a working situation with the horses and won't. She has been playing a lot with our wolfhound bitch and a friends Husky bitch (our cattle dog is on house arrest with leg surgery), and we've never seen her crouch or use "the look". So for now we'll go with ES until she starts acting like a BC. No big deal, but its interesting nevertheless. Never was aware of the breed. She's a dead ringer for those pictures, and the sweetest thing ever. She's home now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Festerling Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Awww!!! What a cutie. And I love your last statement! Home!!! What a wonderful place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloria Atwater Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 What a beautiful little girl! I see you've already got good suggestions as to what she is, though, so I won't throw Aussie/BC at you. Congratulations on taking in such a lovely dog - she looks so very happy! OK, got the picture of Nell added to the original post. Horses are barefoot. Is there any significant difference in a horse or a cow kick as long as there's no steel in the equation? I thought lots of folks used BC's on cattle. Thanks for your concern, we do love our critters. Our red heeler loves to encourage the horses from the pastures into the paddocks, but both he and the horses have been trained to respect each others respective abilities. This new dog might put us in the wool business tho If a horse kicks a dog, it won't matter if there's steel or not. That's 1100 pounds of animal taking a swing at one weighing 40, with the force of a Louisville Slugger. I've known dogs killed by a single kick. And cows don't tend to kick with the sheer ferocity that a horse can - and even then, dogs are injured by cow kicks all the time. So, folks here were just worried that you let your dogs work your horses, but I see your later post that you do not. Thank goodness! Again, congrats on the lovely new girl, whatever her breeding! She's so lucky to be home. ~ Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mum24dog Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I met the first "English" Shepherd imported into the UK a few years ago and she would have passed for a tri BC but the dog that the owner imported next was similar to this one. I take the owner's claim that her dog was the first in the country at face value as few people had ever heard of them, including me. On the other hand, the colouring is pretty common in various breeds so who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tastybeets Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 What an absolutely adorable doggy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurae Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Super cute! She does look like an English Shepherd to me, and the size seems about right as well. Aside: Am I the only one here who hears "An outlaw and his beer" following the title of this thread upon reading it every time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeverist Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Thanks to everyone for their helpful responses. Nell seems to have found a home over on the ES Yahoo Group. She is having a few behavioral issues and we are getting a lot of good advice. And yes, Laurae, I am drinking a pint of Surly Furious as I am writing this. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmbc Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 She's really beautiful. I'd guess English Shepard too. I have a friend that has them and she looks very similar. ThoughI also know two people with Aussies with tails intact and she looks like that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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