Falcon Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 I've been trying to decide whether to use a clicker or a voice marker, but I have one question I can't seem to find on the various sites I've checked. Once you get the dog conditioned to the clicker do you have to continue to use it always? Or can you use the clicker sometimes and voice/treat others? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmaDawg Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 You can use both no problem. I typically use the clicker for shaping more complicated behaviors as I find it faster, but I quite often use a YES! as a marker as well, and my dogs are conditioned to both. These dogs are smart, they get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth G Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Thanks- I was wondering the same thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melody Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 do you start clicker training with pups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Beer Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 You can start clicker training with puppies or with older dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat's Dogs Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 It is GREAT to start with pups! It get their minds thinking and can actually teach them to "think"! I agree that you don't always have to use the clicker, I know I don't. Happy training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigD Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Starting with a pup is best - they are not "ruined" by other forms of training yet. I use a clicker to teach my dogs everything. But I never have it with me unless I'm doing a serious training session. For agility practice - I use a verbal marker only + a thrown toy as reward. For trick practice, I reward with a tug toy. I only use the clicker to shape new behaviors. My youngest girl picks up anything in about 5 trys. My older boy takes many sessions because he wasn't clicker trained until he was 6. Keep your sessions short (put 8 treats in your pocket, if your dog doesn't do something right, put one treat in your other pocket. Once that first pocket is out of treats - you are done. Repeat a few hours later. Just because you have 8 treats, doesn't mean your dog will get them all! Only reward EXACTLY what you want and don't go too fast. Break it all down into simple behaviors.) GL! Denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Posted May 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Thanks for all the help, guys. =) Out of curiosity, do you train the voice marker the same way as the clicker? I'd assume so, but I thought it'd be wise to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eireann Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Good thread! I've got a clicker question... how often do you use it? If a dog is used to the clicker (as in he obviously understands it etc) could you train twice a week or month and expect the dog to still react? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Eireann, yes - but why would you 'train' so infrequently? Little and often is best, I think (although I must admit with my 4 year olds, I'm a bit lazier, and they don't get formal training every day. They still get little bits of voice-marking/praise/treat though for something I've asked for, or something they've done nicely.) ONe of the things that I've liked about using the clicker in training (I'm not a pure shaping clicker trainer) is the effect it has on me, as well as on the dog. I'm way more careful in my timing, and in setting and adjusting performance criteria. Another benefit is that it encourages the dogs to offer behaviors, and the dogs and I tend to enjoy training more. Like others, I don't always use the clicker - often it's just a voice marker, with reinforcement being treat, tug, performance of next obstacle etc. And yes, the voice marker is incorporated jst the same way as the clicker, and you can interchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 I should have added that I have never used the clicker when training my dog on sheep. (Maybe I should have... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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