trailrider Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Curious as to protocol for puppies by people on the board. People got a 31/2 month border collie - went to vet next day - had rabies and everything else. I never give rabies in combination, and wait til after six months. Any adverse results from this vet`s protocol? What should these people look for if there is a problem? [This message has been edited by trailrider (edited 01-14-2003).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brookcove Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 State law here (NC) is they must have rabies vac by four months old. I've had it done in combination with the last booster with no apparent ill effects. Safest thing of course is to space it out but sometimes you really can't. I'm scared about parvo and distemper because I've got a hunting kennel behind me, and we've got a serious rabies problem around here. Would hate to have my pup put down because she tangled with a coon. ------------------ Rebecca Brook Cove Farm, NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokjbc Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Hi, At our vet office we do the rabies with the 3 month puppy series. We may put it off on smaller dogs, but generally we see few reactions and that can happen with just a rabies or just the other shots, it won't make it more likely IMHO if you combine them Just make sure the vet isn't combining them in one syringe, I worked for a vet that did that and he caused alot of very nasty reactions that way (STUPID STUPID VET). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fosher Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 We have the same state law as Rebecca -- must be done by four months. I did the DHLPP on my pups myself, and as it worked out there was about a two-week gap between the last puppy shot and the rabies vaccine, which must be administered by a vet according to state law. FWIW, my vet likes to put the rabies vaccination off as long as possible under the law, and I think he'd like to do it a little later if it were legal. Six months is probably a good age to do it, provided that it complies with your laws. ------------------ Bill Fosher Surry, NH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PrairieFire Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Like Trailrider, I like to space my vaccinations out as much as possible - I think there are very good reasons to do so... My vet likes the 4 month thing - I do the 6 month thing because my kennel license requires it...also in Wisconsin we have a 3 year rabies requirement, so the dogs don't get the repeated shots like in some states... By the way, for those interested, there are many vets now considering a link between seizures and other neurologic issues and high rabies titer counts... ------------------ Bill Gary Kensmuir, Working Stockdog Center River Falls, WI 715.426.9877 www.kensmuir.com [This message has been edited by PrairieFire (edited 01-15-2003).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailrider Posted January 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 The rabies connection with seizures and immune problems like arthritis are what I remember in wandering through articles. Yet most vets still seem to follow the old story that these vaccines have been used like thi for many years with no problems. Does anyone have a recent research or statistical reference to the rabies/seizure connection? Where did you find your info , Bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PrairieFire Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Dr. Goldstein writes a bit about it in his book, "The Nature of Animal Healing", and following through in talking with him and a couple of the vets he lists in his book (one of them is the vet who does the acupuncture on Craig)...last time I searched the holistic vet archives I found a bunch of stuff as well - www.altvetmed.com ... The entire vaccination thing is promoted to death (pun intended) by the drug companies and the various medical professions...with little real researched info besides "It's always worked." Well, according to Jonas Salk, the developer of the Polio Vaccine - every single case of polio in the world since 1979 has been CAUSED by the vaccine... It's all pretty controversial, and pretty scary to me.... I follow the letter of the law with rabies, and do give puppy shots, but after that I try to do titers...and base vaccination for the "other" diseases on them... ------------------ Bill Gary Kensmuir, Working Stockdog Center River Falls, WI 715.426.9877 www.kensmuir.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rtphokie Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 NEW VACCINATION PROTOCOLS Vaccination Newsflash: Crossposting from: Dr. Ihor Basko VACCINATION NEWSFLASH Re: J Dodd's vaccine protocol I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions,or the doctor's economic well-being should not be a factor in medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY "Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine isgiven after 6 months of age, it produces immunity, which is good for the life of the pet (i.e., canine distemper, parvo,feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells induced. "Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated haemolytic anaemia. "There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. " Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide lifetime immunity." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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