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Curious as to protocol for puppies by people on the board. People got a 31/2 month border collie - went to vet next day - had rabies and everything else.

 

I never give rabies in combination, and wait til after six months.

 

Any adverse results from this vet`s protocol?

What should these people look for if there is a problem?

 

[This message has been edited by trailrider (edited 01-14-2003).]

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State law here (NC) is they must have rabies vac by four months old. I've had it done in combination with the last booster with no apparent ill effects. Safest thing of course is to space it out but sometimes you really can't. I'm scared about parvo and distemper because I've got a hunting kennel behind me, and we've got a serious rabies problem around here. Would hate to have my pup put down because she tangled with a coon.

 

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Rebecca

Brook Cove Farm, NC

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Hi,

 

At our vet office we do the rabies with the 3 month puppy series. We may put it off on smaller dogs, but generally we see few reactions and that can happen with just a rabies or just the other shots, it won't make it more likely IMHO if you combine them Just make sure the vet isn't combining them in one syringe, I worked for a vet that did that and he caused alot of very nasty reactions that way (STUPID STUPID VET).

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We have the same state law as Rebecca -- must be done by four months. I did the DHLPP on my pups myself, and as it worked out there was about a two-week gap between the last puppy shot and the rabies vaccine, which must be administered by a vet according to state law.

 

FWIW, my vet likes to put the rabies vaccination off as long as possible under the law, and I think he'd like to do it a little later if it were legal. Six months is probably a good age to do it, provided that it complies with your laws.

 

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Bill Fosher

Surry, NH

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Like Trailrider, I like to space my vaccinations out as much as possible - I think there are very good reasons to do so...

 

My vet likes the 4 month thing - I do the 6 month thing because my kennel license requires it...also in Wisconsin we have a 3 year rabies requirement, so the dogs don't get the repeated shots like in some states...

 

By the way, for those interested, there are many vets now considering a link between seizures and other neurologic issues and high rabies titer counts...

 

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Bill Gary

Kensmuir, Working Stockdog Center

River Falls, WI

715.426.9877

www.kensmuir.com

 

 

 

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The rabies connection with seizures and immune problems like arthritis are what I remember in wandering through articles. Yet most vets still seem to follow the old story that these vaccines have been used like thi for many years with no problems. Does anyone have a recent research or statistical reference to the rabies/seizure connection? Where did you find your info , Bill?

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Dr. Goldstein writes a bit about it in his book, "The Nature of Animal Healing", and following through in talking with him and a couple of the vets he lists in his book (one of them is the vet who does the acupuncture on Craig)...last time I searched the holistic vet archives I found a bunch of stuff as well - www.altvetmed.com ...

 

The entire vaccination thing is promoted to death (pun intended) by the drug companies and the various medical professions...with little real researched info besides "It's always worked."

 

Well, according to Jonas Salk, the developer of the Polio Vaccine - every single case of polio in the world since 1979 has been CAUSED by the vaccine...

 

It's all pretty controversial, and pretty scary to me....

 

I follow the letter of the law with rabies, and do give puppy shots, but after that I try to do titers...and base vaccination for the "other" diseases on them...

 

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Bill Gary

Kensmuir, Working Stockdog Center

River Falls, WI

715.426.9877

www.kensmuir.com

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NEW VACCINATION PROTOCOLS

 

Vaccination Newsflash:

Crossposting from: Dr. Ihor Basko

 

VACCINATION NEWSFLASH

Re: J Dodd's vaccine protocol

 

I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North

America are in the process of changing their protocols for

vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an

ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics

Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting

vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income

vs those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions,or

the doctor's economic well-being should not be a factor in medical

decision.

 

NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY "Dogs and cats immune

systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine isgiven

after 6 months of age, it produces immunity, which is good for the life of the

pet (i.e., canine distemper, parvo,feline distemper). If another MLV

vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine

neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or

no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells

induced. "Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper

unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic

reactions and immune-mediated haemolytic anaemia. "There is no

scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual

administration of MLV vaccines. " Puppies receive antibodies through

their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks.

Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8

weeks.

 

Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection

(0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however,

delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given

2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A

series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4

weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given

sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide

lifetime immunity."

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