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  1. I am going to say something that may be unpopular- but why do you think she needs that much exercise? I had a very active dog (my first border collie, actually) that also had Border Collie Collapse. She lived to be 16 1/2- had minimal arthritis, chased a ball occasionally or went on a short walk (sometimes on her own fence jumping volition) and worked sheep about once a year from the ages 4-12. She was not my favorite dog- she really was a miserable dog to work because of her reactive style but she was, after the young adult years, a model house dog. I never made any effort to give her "har
  2. I'm very sorry about your loss, Diane, we know Tess was very special. We have Tess's son, Brice, and he's been a really nice working dog and definitely sounds like he got his mooching gene from Tess . Not sure he'll ever do a outwalk though - we used to call him Seabiscuit because every 40 yards of his outrun would be a higher rate of speed. We love him and thank you and Tess for such a good dog (when he minds !
  3. I am no fan of AKC but... that article failed to make any real connection with the world of AKC and the condition of the dogs. IF the couple were such big time breeders ignored by AKC, you would think they would have more than 4 litters registered. It failed to show the motive for keeping the dogs in these conditions (With so many dogs and supposedly only 4 litters, the motive is probably not profit) and does seem more like a hoarding situation. Multiple houses, too many dogs for no apparent reason sounds like hoarding to me and a person who is mentally ill.
  4. I watched part of the semi-finals and every run in the Finals today. The production crew did a great job soliciting feedback and doing their best to improve. I for one am very appreciative that I got to see so many good dogs (and frankly, heart-breaking runs) today. Definitely was the next best thing to being there.
  5. I guess my experience with rentals is a little different. We currently have four dogs and two cats in a recently remodeled home with full disclosure to our landlord. It was the first house we looked at when we decided to move last year. Granted, we didn't look any further once the landlord said "ok, four dogs and ...um, two cats? pause...ok" but my rental before that was fairly easy to obtain with a slightly higher number of animals. Neither one charged a separate pet deposit and the current one didn't even charge us first and last month's rent - he was just too worried it would be empty. I
  6. That to me does not sound like a heartless cad who shrugged off his dog's injury. It sounds like a man in a terrible situation - who probably never should have put his dog in that situation - who just ran out of options and luck. At worst, it now sounds like he's most guilty of bad judgement and crappy thinking, but not of deliberate cruelty. The single most damning question of all is why he didn't manage to get help back up to his dog, even if he could not get there himself.>>> Gloria I just have to say I agree. I had been on the fence about posting - honestly not brave enough.
  7. True, but I did get to witness part of that and I have to say, it's much more entertaining (when nothing is hurt of course) to watch another person's wreck than to participate in your own. Edited to add: that particular wreck did result in a very extensive tour of your awesome grounds @ TEC ..I was not joking. It's the kind of thing I see happen with other people all the time. I saw the window of opportunity to send my dog and rescue the obviously about to bolt sheep and it just...slipped.... by. I make a point to stop at Anna's whenever I can to work sheep - great lady and great plac
  8. I tried to post earlier but my smartphone ate my reply . When I say "cull", I mean "remove from the gene pool". I do that by spay/neuter and rehome and haven't bred a litter now in 12 years due to not being entirely convinced I had something breed worthy. For the record, I have only rehomed dogs that were either completely unsuited for working at a minimum level that I would want or in one case, a dog that had more work to do and wasn't getting it done any more with me. That dog benefited more than I did (hell, I still cry over that dog) from being rehomed. My best dog to this day was
  9. I'm the one who wrote the "God will make more dogs" post. Of course, it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Dogs will make more dogs. Not necessarily God. It was meant to point out that the loss of one dog's breeding ability, whether by neutering or a .22, is unlikely to affect the breed overall. I say it all the time and it's the mantra I repeat every time I decide to spay another of mine instead of breed it. Unfortunately, there's plenty of local breeders willing to supply the Vegas population but I just tell myself I know where to get a good pup so why bother with it? It was not
  10. $25 sounds reasonable for a doggie daycare type place. Our hospitals have kennels and charge $20/night for the largest dogs but we don't have a play area - just an exercise yard where dogs get turned out 3X a day. It sounds like the second place has a good, open attitude and the stay free for a day is a good idea. I would caution though that if they allow dogs to play together that someone is watching them constantly and seem knowledgeable about how to read signs if a fight is about to occur. I have seen extremely nasty injuries due doggie daycare type situations where the dogs weren't s
  11. I don't worry about that. I think that idea is what makes people breed dogs that are not up to snuff. "MY dog is special, if only...", etc. Sure some may slip through the cracks due to bad handling but if the genes are there, they are likely to have siblings that fell into the right hands. I doubt many of the very superior nicks get full stopped. As a (very hard culling) kelpie breeder likes to say, "God will make more dogs". It is extremely rare that the loss of one dog for breeding will impact the breed overall.
  12. Why would it? Registering with ABCA is the same as voting with your dollars. Either you support the working dog registry or you support the ruination of the breed . Edited to add: Or you don't register at all which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
  13. This is the problem. If you worked your dogs to an appropriate level - I'm not saying TRIAL them, I'm saying WORK THEM - you would understand that "stock-work" is not a singular trait. A good dog is of good temperament. How else could we trust them with lambs? A good dog is of sound health and body, stamina and work ethic. There is nothing that can prove that out unless they are working regularly at an Open level. Again, I said WORK not TRIAL. A good dog can pick up sounds you and I barely register. They can spot sheep several hundred yards away and have the courage to do s
  14. What I like about ACD's: They seem to have more of an "off" switch, from what I have read. For example, after work is done, or if they don't have a job one day, they are okay with it. They don't obsess nearly as much over work as a BC, from what I have heard. I'm sure that it depends on the individual dog, but as a generalization. They stick to you like glue. They aren't scared to take it another step with the cattle. >> Just an (admittedly breed-biased) opinion. I live with three border collies (all working) and one ACD. The ACD is definitely the most hyper, obnoxious animal in th
  15. Recently, my Nellie had a mammary growth return on a previous surgery site - it was huge. Luckily, it turned out to be a surgery-related cyst - completely benign but they had to make a large incision to get it out. Before picking her up from the vet, I stopped by Target with the same type of motivation- something to make her feel better. Bought her just a plain, soft bed pad and it was a winner. She's got it in her little corner and aside from me having to kick off the younger dogs off it occasionally, she spends most of her house time on it. The other gift she gets (and it's debatea
  16. Lewis- just in case you didn't get my PM, I know someone who has been looking for a dog very similar to Seeka. Would be an excellent, forever home. Who would I/she contact about Seeka?
  17. Hello,

    I know someone in Vegas who lost both of her elderly border collies (both well cared for and lived through health issues to past 13/14 years.). I've been looking for an adult female for her that's cat safe and biddable. It would be a pet home and the lady lives alone and is devoted to her pets. She currently has one cat and a heeler mix. How would she go about inqui...

  18. I have never had a vet out for my sheep but I have the advantage of working for vets that can give me advice. Also, with my Kathadin/Dorper crosses, they generally are very healthy. I have euth'd a lamb myself(too small to eat, lost it and it's twin to a strange neuro issue I never figured out what it was). I've only had one stillborn lamb and aside from a oxy inj. now and then to expel placenta or stimulate milk production in a younger ewe, which I do much less than I did at the beginning, I have very few breeding issues. Most of my "vetting" has come after letting idiots in with my sheep.
  19. To sum up.... We don't need agility breeders to keep the border collie doing what it's meant to do. They need us. Why else did AKC keep the studbook open? IF anyone is going to "bridge the division", it's going to have to be these MACH top whats-its handling their dogs in USBCHA Open to an acceptable level and THEN breeding them. That's the only way I can see harmony on this subject. As far as the tragedy of the shattered agility line goes....the sooner, the better.
  20. This is the point that so few will ever understand until they experience it for themselves. Although we are far from laying down good runs (serious stopping problem! ARGH!!), I experienced it this past weekend when we were asked to help move 1400 plus fiesty, fat yearlings on a commercial range operation. Jet has never worked more than thirty sheep and it's usually more like 5-10. Aside from a pace issue at first, it was amazing to watch her "get" the different balance point, they way she needed to tuck in the ends and check waayyyyy over on the other side to make sure those sheep were with
  21. I think so - we have a dog that started that way when he was young. He is a very nice dog that has done OK in Pronovice, could do better if he got more work. Extremely useful dog although I will say he's not 100% trustworthy and needs to be kept under your thumb more than our other dogs. I'll admit (he's Mike's dog) that we had several arguments over keeping him from bloodying my sheep when he was a youngster but he did come around to be a (mostly) good dog with good feel for his sheep. I agree though that sometimes you just have to push yourself and your dogs to the next step. It will
  22. Serena+Eluane B.C., on 20 November 2011 - 07:23 PM, said: Sheepherding is the primary and best means to distill the ideal qualities, but it is not the only measure of that discipline I maintain, because then what does one do with the changing times? More and more farmlands will be replaced by conglomerates, land buyouts. In Kansas itself we are losing tons of farmlands, every highway system and suburban sprawl eats away at the landscape. >>> Although I prefer most farming and ranching be family operations, it's true that more and more are held by large companies or other e
  23. A chance, yes. However, there are many traits that a active dog could have to make it a less attractive working candidate. My 1st dog was a prime example of this- extremely keen, even stylish. Very hyper though and pressure sensitive in the worst way. No way should she have ever been bred and while she was ok as a pet, she would have challenged most owners. Would not even look at cows, fear-motivated biter on sheep. She looked really good as a pup, I had offers on her. No one wanted her as a two year old though and she warmed my couch after that.
  24. I think the point could be made that the environment where these dogs were developed was not conducive to pet homes lined up. I would also say that the ones I've seen would not be good dogs for the average pet owner because they are extremely pushy and active (although good tempered IMHO, the ones I've known). So, for arguments sake, lets say that the type could not have been developed as successfully without hard culling in that environment. You could say that limiting breeding to the availability of pet homes could leave the people with a true need for the dog without actual quality of th
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