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  1. I am going to say something that may be unpopular- but why do you think she needs that much exercise? I had a very active dog (my first border collie, actually) that also had Border Collie Collapse. She lived to be 16 1/2- had minimal arthritis, chased a ball occasionally or went on a short walk (sometimes on her own fence jumping volition) and worked sheep about once a year from the ages 4-12. She was not my favorite dog- she really was a miserable dog to work because of her reactive style but she was, after the young adult years, a model house dog. I never made any effort to give her "hard" exercise- partly because of her condition and partly because she seemed to do fine without it. She had a long, happy life and she settled into pet dog life pretty easily for a dog that was fairly hyper as a youngster. I don't feel guilty that I didn't do much with her for over ten years of her life. She seemed to think warming the couch was a fair enough deal.
  2. I'm very sorry about your loss, Diane, we know Tess was very special. We have Tess's son, Brice, and he's been a really nice working dog and definitely sounds like he got his mooching gene from Tess . Not sure he'll ever do a outwalk though - we used to call him Seabiscuit because every 40 yards of his outrun would be a higher rate of speed. We love him and thank you and Tess for such a good dog (when he minds !
  3. I am no fan of AKC but... that article failed to make any real connection with the world of AKC and the condition of the dogs. IF the couple were such big time breeders ignored by AKC, you would think they would have more than 4 litters registered. It failed to show the motive for keeping the dogs in these conditions (With so many dogs and supposedly only 4 litters, the motive is probably not profit) and does seem more like a hoarding situation. Multiple houses, too many dogs for no apparent reason sounds like hoarding to me and a person who is mentally ill.
  4. I watched part of the semi-finals and every run in the Finals today. The production crew did a great job soliciting feedback and doing their best to improve. I for one am very appreciative that I got to see so many good dogs (and frankly, heart-breaking runs) today. Definitely was the next best thing to being there.
  5. I guess my experience with rentals is a little different. We currently have four dogs and two cats in a recently remodeled home with full disclosure to our landlord. It was the first house we looked at when we decided to move last year. Granted, we didn't look any further once the landlord said "ok, four dogs and ...um, two cats? pause...ok" but my rental before that was fairly easy to obtain with a slightly higher number of animals. Neither one charged a separate pet deposit and the current one didn't even charge us first and last month's rent - he was just too worried it would be empty. I think the key is to avoid rental management companies - understandably they don't want the hassle. But private owners are often very motivated if you can sell yourself having stable employment and good rent history. I do live in an area where foreclosures are rampant, so you do have to be careful but we ended up with a good pet-friendly, affordable rental in a great neighborhood very easily.
  6. That to me does not sound like a heartless cad who shrugged off his dog's injury. It sounds like a man in a terrible situation - who probably never should have put his dog in that situation - who just ran out of options and luck. At worst, it now sounds like he's most guilty of bad judgement and crappy thinking, but not of deliberate cruelty. The single most damning question of all is why he didn't manage to get help back up to his dog, even if he could not get there himself.>>> Gloria I just have to say I agree. I had been on the fence about posting - honestly not brave enough. People make mistakes- it does sound like he made an effort but was discouraged. I believe it was entirely possible he believed the dog had quickly perished. I wouldn't have believed that but I work for vets and know how tough, in general, dogs can be in bad situations. Not everyone knows everything. He should have done more, sure -but he did do something. He wants his dog back and as long as he's willing to foot the bill at the vet and possibly the expenses of the rescuers - I say forgive and hope he's learned his lesson. We could learn a lesson from the dog - I'm sure she would forgive him.
  7. True, but I did get to witness part of that and I have to say, it's much more entertaining (when nothing is hurt of course) to watch another person's wreck than to participate in your own. Edited to add: that particular wreck did result in a very extensive tour of your awesome grounds @ TEC ..I was not joking. It's the kind of thing I see happen with other people all the time. I saw the window of opportunity to send my dog and rescue the obviously about to bolt sheep and it just...slipped.... by. I make a point to stop at Anna's whenever I can to work sheep - great lady and great place to work dogs.
  8. I tried to post earlier but my smartphone ate my reply . When I say "cull", I mean "remove from the gene pool". I do that by spay/neuter and rehome and haven't bred a litter now in 12 years due to not being entirely convinced I had something breed worthy. For the record, I have only rehomed dogs that were either completely unsuited for working at a minimum level that I would want or in one case, a dog that had more work to do and wasn't getting it done any more with me. That dog benefited more than I did (hell, I still cry over that dog) from being rehomed. My best dog to this day was spayed when she was 4 so I'm not one that thinks it has to be exceptional breeding quality to be worth keeping. By using the "cull" word, I remind myself that it's not an emotional choice - it's not about what I want as much as it is about how the breed will benefit from breeding or not breeding an individual animal.
  9. I'm the one who wrote the "God will make more dogs" post. Of course, it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Dogs will make more dogs. Not necessarily God. It was meant to point out that the loss of one dog's breeding ability, whether by neutering or a .22, is unlikely to affect the breed overall. I say it all the time and it's the mantra I repeat every time I decide to spay another of mine instead of breed it. Unfortunately, there's plenty of local breeders willing to supply the Vegas population but I just tell myself I know where to get a good pup so why bother with it? It was not a suggestion that working dogs are considered disposable by working folks, in general. That is all.
  10. $25 sounds reasonable for a doggie daycare type place. Our hospitals have kennels and charge $20/night for the largest dogs but we don't have a play area - just an exercise yard where dogs get turned out 3X a day. It sounds like the second place has a good, open attitude and the stay free for a day is a good idea. I would caution though that if they allow dogs to play together that someone is watching them constantly and seem knowledgeable about how to read signs if a fight is about to occur. I have seen extremely nasty injuries due doggie daycare type situations where the dogs weren't screened or watched properly for dog aggression.
  11. I don't worry about that. I think that idea is what makes people breed dogs that are not up to snuff. "MY dog is special, if only...", etc. Sure some may slip through the cracks due to bad handling but if the genes are there, they are likely to have siblings that fell into the right hands. I doubt many of the very superior nicks get full stopped. As a (very hard culling) kelpie breeder likes to say, "God will make more dogs". It is extremely rare that the loss of one dog for breeding will impact the breed overall.
  12. Why would it? Registering with ABCA is the same as voting with your dollars. Either you support the working dog registry or you support the ruination of the breed . Edited to add: Or you don't register at all which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
  13. This is the problem. If you worked your dogs to an appropriate level - I'm not saying TRIAL them, I'm saying WORK THEM - you would understand that "stock-work" is not a singular trait. A good dog is of good temperament. How else could we trust them with lambs? A good dog is of sound health and body, stamina and work ethic. There is nothing that can prove that out unless they are working regularly at an Open level. Again, I said WORK not TRIAL. A good dog can pick up sounds you and I barely register. They can spot sheep several hundred yards away and have the courage to do so at a new place, on stock they've never seen before. A good dog can learn. If, in the right hands, they make learning easy for themselves, they are biddable. If they are rash and thrash stock around and need too much work to make it work, they don't have the temperament to be a good dog. They probably don't have the temperament to be a good companion, either. A good dog is intuitive regarding livestock and people. They know what you want before you want it. They know exactly where the stock thinks it's going, wants to go, and what the stock might try to pull on them. They know why they outrun. They know how to move stock that doesn't want to go. You cannot train that. You can only breed it. If you don't work your dogs on challenging stock and push them to a high level of work, you aren't saving any part of "stock work" that's worth saving. You are damaging the working dog gene pool. At least, if you are going to ruin the breed - stick to AKC only and leave our ABCA dogs alone. Tired of being nice about this. Some people will continue to stubbornly do what they want at the expense of the dogs.
  14. What I like about ACD's: They seem to have more of an "off" switch, from what I have read. For example, after work is done, or if they don't have a job one day, they are okay with it. They don't obsess nearly as much over work as a BC, from what I have heard. I'm sure that it depends on the individual dog, but as a generalization. They stick to you like glue. They aren't scared to take it another step with the cattle. >> Just an (admittedly breed-biased) opinion. I live with three border collies (all working) and one ACD. The ACD is definitely the most hyper, obnoxious animal in the house. He does not have an off switch even though he's at least 10. He also will not work an lick on stock and I have never seen any ACD that could do anything comparatively useful on cattle that a cattle prod couldn't also do. They do obsess about work, but in ways that are not helpful IMHO. Granted, while I've never seen one that was from parents that worked to any kind of standard but I think that's part of the problem - there aren't many that do. He is definitely a one person dog (not mine, can you tell !) and if you aren't that person, he'd rather bite you than look at you. Get a border collie. You'll thank me later. (This in about 50% tongue in cheek, but I definitely take exception to the idea that ACDs will "take it another step" on cattle. Nothing beats a good, strong border collie on cattle.)
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