mum24dog Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Yes, I know Westminster is a dirty subject but I'm fishing for background for a discussion elsewhere. I'm being told that crossbreed can compete. Is that on exactly the same basis as pedigrees now or are there still points of discrimination? I get the impression that Agility still isn't part of the main event, taking place beforehand. Does Obedience physically form part of the main business or is it shuffled off out of the way? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 This web page might answer your questions - www.westminsterkennelclub.org/2016/show/obedience.html Apparently this will be the first year for obedience, in limited classes and by invitation only, but including mixed-breeds, at Westminster. Agility will be on Saturday, obedience on Monday, and breed judging on Monday and Tuesday at the same locations, according to the page. Groups and Best in Show will be in the evenings elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mum24dog Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Thanks Sue. I had been on there but don't trust the spin they put on it. I was wondering if anyone could fill in on what they don't say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cass C Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 My understanding from my trainer (at least with agility) is that all dogs even 'all Americans' AKA mixes can compete directly against eachother with 'no bias'. The only limitation is that the non-AKC dogs must be spayed/neutered. The agility event does take place before hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mum24dog Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Thanks. That's what I thought but wasn't sure if I'd missed something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurelin Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Yep mixed breeds have competed in both years they have had agility at Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleLake Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Aren't the number of mixed breeds limited so that they don't exceed a certain percentage of total dogs? (Not sure it's stated as definitively as that, but it seems to me I've seen something to that effect.) Or am I hallucinating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurelin Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Not sure. Westminster is a weird system so instead of the top 10 dogs of each height making finals only 3? (Or is it 2? I think 3...) of a breed can make it to finals in that height. Then it goes to the next non whatever breed in that height. I always assumed that mixed breeds would count together as a 'breed' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cass C Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Mixed breeds are ALL lumped together and called 'All American' dogs by ACK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFreshSoClean Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Aren't the number of mixed breeds limited so that they don't exceed a certain percentage of total dogs? (Not sure it's stated as definitively as that, but it seems to me I've seen something to that effect.) Or am I hallucinating? Kind of. They limit all breeds in the final round. So there's a standard course and a JWW course and they are time plus faults. So they add up all the scores. The Championship round is a Time 2 Beat course with a dogwalk. It is also ran time plus faults. Then this happens: 7 A maximum of 10 dogs from each jump height will be selected for the Championship round. 8. In each jump height, the top 3 qualifying dogs, regardless of breed, will be chosen for the Championship round. After that, additional dogs will be chosen by individual breed. One of each breed from the remainder of the qualifying dogs in each jump height will be chosen until the limit is reached. One qualifying Canine Partner will be included in the breeds selected to make up the 10 dogs chosen in each jump height. 9. If there are not enough individual breeds to make up the 10 dogs in each jump height, the next dog with the lowest combined score will be included regardless of breed. This means that more than one dog of any breed may be chosen. That is why you'll see one or two of each fast "typical" agility breeds and then there will be a malamute or something totally random. Then they sqush all the jump heights together to crown a Super Champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurelin Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Oh THAT's how it works. I think I remember that. I know in the past there have been 3 papillons and 3 border collies in a height so that's probably what's going on there. I just assumed it was 3 per breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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