border_collie_crazy Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 someone on another borad is looking for a BC, she wants sport or working lines(well, she SAYS working, but all the breeders she has posted so far are sport) anyway one of the breeders she has faverited is Blastoff, and that name rings alarm bells for me, I am postive there was some reason to avoid them besides the obvious, but for the life of me I cant remeber why, can anyone help me out here? lol also if anyone can recoomnd some real working Breeders I can recomend to her..(she does NOT want a rescue, breeder only). I mean I know whats in my area, but I am in the wrong country lol. she is in the US, nt sure whereabouts though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Did you go to the Blastoff website? That should provide answers to most of your concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
border_collie_crazy Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 lol I did, loads of things set off alarm bells, I just thought I had read something specific about them here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 I think I know which person you are talking of, and their list of breeders now includes Lockeye and Red Dawn....not that I've scouted those breeders out yet, but I don't hear of many working breeders having "kennel names." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 I think I know which person you are talking of, and their list of breeders now includes Lockeye and Red Dawn....not that I've scouted those breeders out yet, but I don't hear of many working breeders having "kennel names." Many good breeders have kennel names, like Jack and Kathy Knox's Ettrick Kennels, Scott Glen's Alta Pete, David Henry's Fieldstone Border Collies, etc. But people tend to associate the name of the dog with the handler and drop the kennel name. If you look at the ABCA papers the name is on them. The alarm bells should go off when you see the number of pups, lack of working ability, market they are aiming at (pretty colors!), etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Ah, OK. I've never looked at ABCA papers, so I have only heard dogs listed as coming from "so and so" not "such and such kennel." At least one of those breeders has had 4 litters since september, though (I think it was Blastoff that I looked up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haleigh Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 I got Joy from a pretty good breeder in Wisconsin, Jacksons Family Farm. She's a working breeder, has awesome dogs, and I met the current stud dog Kobhayn when I was dropping Joy off for boarding, and he's amazing. She has very strong herding dogs, and they have nice personalities. One dog that I was almost going to get, Tetra, is a powerhouse....I'm glad I got Joy instead. As for Blastoff...I don't think they're a very good breeder. I don't think they should be bringing the unvaccinated puppies to a dog training school, for one. Second, I think that she should be more focused on developing a puppies personality and such rather then focusing on training. BUT, that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Ah, OK. I've never looked at ABCA papers, so I have only heard dogs listed as coming from "so and so" not "such and such kennel." At least one of those breeders has had 4 litters since september, though (I think it was Blastoff that I looked up). Yes, alarm bells should go off with Blastoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetlander Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 I think I know which person you are talking of, and their list of breeders now includes Lockeye and Red Dawn....not that I've scouted those breeders out yet, but I don't hear of many working breeders having "kennel names." Quinn is a Red Dawn dog. She is very much a sports/conformation breeder and there are lots of litters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eileen Stein Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Just a reminder that advertising puppies or dogs for sale is not allowed on these Boards. I have just deleted a post for that reason. I hope those who read the post will disregard it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenajo Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Looking at the kennel in question I would ponder thus... IF (and I'm not!) I was going to buy from a sport line, would I not buy from dogs that *actually had* sport titles? How does a kennel not breed for color yet have greater than 80% of their kennel's dogs being of recessives or minority colors It's a rare true working breeder of quality that has time for more than a few litters a year at most. Socialization, good husbandry, OFA, DNA, and CERF.....are not acceptable reasons for producing litters. They should be the icing, not the cake. The cake is *proven* working parents out of *proven* working lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenajo Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 This BCBoard Topic has a wealth of information on the sport/working bred controversy. Some of the posters have tremedous agility credentials so certainly they understand the sport requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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