Alfreda Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Hello herdsters, I've been lapping up what I can on these boards for a few years, but this is my first post. I really value the discussions and experience of this crowd! I've been reading books in which experienced trainers write about how they start pups. I've watched the wonderful Denise Wall training videos, as well as Andy Nickless's CD "First Steps.." There are quite a few differences (!) out there, but it does seem that all emphasize that the first exposures to sheep should be positive for the pup. So here's my "case study"question: (sorry for the length) A 10-mo old pup first time on sheep is very keen. He circles 4 dog-broke sheep in a round pen rapidly, tightly, and dives in to grip at flanks. He changes direction some, but does not respond to "lie down" or "stand" or "stay" –(commands he obeys reliably off stock). It appears the pup is not “sensitive” to body pressure. When you try using a stick with a flag, he bites at it as if it's a toy. Neither the flag nor its sound has the effect of shooshing him out farther. In fact they just seem to increase his speed and confusion. What would you do and why? try a larger group of sheep hit the dog with the stick, and/or escalate to a small whip, hitting the dog’s shoulder and feet/legs so it stings a little and he moves out put the pup up for a month or two until he gets older put the sheep in an inside pen and have the pup run around the outside (as in Andy Nickless CD) Do some foundational being-close-to-sheep exercises such as walking around a large group (or holding them to a fence perhaps?) on-leash and praising for calm. Walking with pup in a “packed pen,” so he gets used to being really, really close and staying calm… other? Something else? ----Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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