luvmycash Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Anyone heard of it in border collies? I've had them my whole life, but have not seen it. I would imagine anything is possible. I'm taking my 4 month old back to the vet next week because of my concern about her growth and especially her front legs. Two vets have already deemed her healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvmycash Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 It could be something else, but that's sure what it looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mum24dog Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 We get two different types of small BCs on agility - those that are small but of regular proportions and those with normal sized bodies but disproportionately short legs, even more so that the show type of BC. Â Some of the short legged ones might not be pure bred but some are and could be true dwarfs. You can get it in labs and GSDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvmycash Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 This pup has certainly some deformity going on. She was the runt, but was cleared by the breeder's vet before I bought her and by my vet after. But now at 4 months I'm seeing improvement in her energy level, but a worsening of those front legs. She also limps on and off, which concerns me. I have an appointment for next week, and I'm sure they'll take xrays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 That certainly looks abnormal to me. Wonder if there's a growth plate issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffles Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Looks very bow legged to me. Did a vet see her recently and actually say her legs looked fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffles Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Also, I knew a Brittany who had bow legs as a puppy. Their vet put wraps/splints on them to correct the issue. I don't know if surgery was needed either. I think the earlier they are corrected the better. May want to get an appointment for sooner then next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I see you are in north-western PA. There is a specialty clinic at the northern end of Pittsburgh (Pittsburgh Veterinary Specialty and Emergency Center) that you might choose to consider. I have worked with several vets there when Celt needed a referral with regards to his CCL tears, and that's where I chose to have his surgeries done. There is quite a bit of ortho experience among the vets at that clinic. There are several I particularly liked. Â I hope things work out well and healthfully for her. Â On another note, did the breeder provide any form of guarantee with regards to this or any other issue? Sometimes a breeder will help if there is a problem that develops that is genetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvmycash Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Yes Sue, I am half expecting to be referred to them. I have been to their Neurology department for a different dog. She did offer a replacement pup from the next time they breed. They don't breed often, so it will be a while if that's what I choose. I honestly didn't pay much for her; she refused to charge me very much. I had the choice of two other pups, but I chose her. It's just one of those things. Her personality is perfect. The breeder took her to the vet to be sure she didn't have issues. The vet said she was small, but otherwise healthy. This bowleggedness has developed over the last few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 There are different types of dwarfism, some will cause angular limb deformities while others do not. Do you have more photos? She sure does look like a dwarf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildFlower Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 There certainly appears to be something odd about the front legs. Â I hope that you are able to get some answers. Best wishes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 If she's perfect in every other way, I think I'd get an expert opinion or two on why this is happening and if there are future issues to be concerned with (and if it can be corrected). I'd go from there. If it's simply dwarfism and you're happy with her otherwise, then I'd just keep on keeping on with her! Â J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleLake Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 If this is developing quickly, I'd also be trying to get in to see the vet ASAP. Have you asked if you could be called if they have a cancellation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvmycash Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I wouldn't say quickly. She's walked a little odd since the start, but we were assuming because she was lacking muscle. It's one of those things where I see her everyday, so it's not been obviously worse until I really started comparing her to other pups and realized how profound it is and her small stature. People think she's a corgi mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvmycash Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I tried to get more pictures of her today. You know how that goes with puppies lol. Behind the fence she'd actually hold still. It's not asbad when she's sitting, but you can she how her paws turn and how big the joints look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geonni banner Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Here's another thread on the Boards: Â http://www.bordercollie.org/boards/index.php?showtopic=30521 Â And a site with info on Pituitary Dwarfism, including a test for it. Â http://www.collielife.com/Health/pituitarydwarfism.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aschlemm Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Does she have the correct number of teeth? Since she is only four months old this could be a little difficult to determine and is her bite correct? Some forms of dwarfism have malocclusions. I work as a Vet Tech and we do see a Bernese Mountain/German Shep mix that has a form of dwarfism. His teeth and bite are normal and his hind legs appear fairly normal although short but his front legs are very short, thick boned and bow legged. Years ago I remember seeing a Dalmatian that was severely dwarfed, very out of proportion with all four legs short, thick and bowed, she had a terrible overbite and missing premolars. Good luck with your puppy. Regardless, she is very cute with a sweet expression and she's lucky to have you. Perhaps it is an angular limb deformity that can be corrected with splinting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I guess my thought is that you find out what is going on so you know what you are dealing with; get a grip on her prognosis and know what options there are with regards to her development and future; do whatever is reasonable in your situation to help her; and just love her for who and what she is. Â That face kills me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvmycash Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Yes, her teeth appear to be normal and her bite is correct. I'm a chronic mouth-peeker lol. She's starting to get her adults in. I'm curious to see what the vet will have to say. Â Thanks for the links geonni! Interesting read! Â Sue, I have no idea what you mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildFlower Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 She is seriously adorable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSmitty Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Oh my gosh, she is TOO CUTE. Â Keep us posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Oh, she is almost certainly a dwarf. it sounds like the breeder knew it when they asked if you REALLY wanted that puppy. Shame on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfisher7151 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Yes, shame on the breeder. Â But holy CRAP is that the cutest thing I have ever seen. And I don't usually find deformities and dwarf breeds cute. I seriously can't get over that face though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teresaserrano Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 She's adorable! Seriously beautifull and has such a nice personality shining through. If she truly is a dwarf and has no related health issues, there's lots of much worse stuff out there that she doesn't have. So, right now, I'm kind of hoping she's a dwarf. Unless it's something that can be corrected, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Coyote Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 You could probably make a fortune if you could get that dog in the movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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