Wintery Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Hi all! I would love to get you guys opinion what my pups are mixed with. They're littermates (to the extent of our knowledge…) Nothing is known of the parents, could even be a split litter. Shelter guessed lab x great pyr. when they were little fuzzball puppies. At 5yrs I don't see that. They're 21-22" at shoulder and ~45lbs. I see border collie in them, but everyone see her fluffy yellow coat and thinks golden retriever. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffles Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 They both look like lab mixed with something else to me. The black one has a great pyr look in the photo of him sitting and the side profile of him standing. The golden one has the head and eyes of a lab but with big ears and a fluffy coat that could come from anything. If I were told they were known to be lab/pyr mixes I would believe it. I personally don't see anything border collie like just by the photos posted. They could easily be a mix of several breeds. The great part of not ever knowing is that they can be whatever you want them to be They're beautiful and look very happy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maralynn Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I see Golden Retriever in them. The Lab/Pyr fits the "look" but sure doesn't seem to fit the size. I'd think they'd be closer to the 60# range with that mix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cass C Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I see more golden retriever and possibly great pyr, but anything is possible. From the pictures I don't see anything that screams Border Collie to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Coyote Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 The gold one looks golden to me. The black one looks retriever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 They both look like great dogs but I'm not seeing anything "Border Collie" in either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleLake Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Since long hair is recessive and Labs have short coats, Lab/Pyr mixes would have short coats, wouldn't they? I'd be more inclined to think golden retriever/Pyr than Lab/Pyr . . . . or a mix of more than 2 breeds. Btw, there are more than one kind of "retriever." Goldens, Labs, flat coats, Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retrievers . . . So saying "retriever" isn't very specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wintery Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Ah, ok thanks guys! It of course doesn't matter to me what they are, I just get sooo many people asking what they are and "I don't really know" never seems to satisfy their curiousity lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maralynn Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Toller would kinda fit. Especially with the white markings on the gold dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cass C Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I love telling people that my gold dog is purebred adorable, since we don't know what the dad was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nancy Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 My brother had a rescue dog. When folks asked Keebo's breed, the answer was always "brown". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcv-border Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I agree with not seeing BC in them and with the suggestion of Golden or Flat Coat mix. They are VERY handsome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Coyote Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Retrievers are great dogs. They make wonderful family dogs. And both of those dogs are just beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Golden mixes. Don't see any Border Collie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloria Atwater Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 They look like golden retriever mix, to me. The blond one looks golden + traveling salesman and a friend of ours years ago had a black lab/golden mix who looked a lot like your black one. Though he does have a suggestion of some other heavy, shaggy breed in the mix.They look like 100% adorable! Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemsMom Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I thought Toller when I saw the first dog and changed my mind when I saw the second dog. I thought I read something about Golden Retrievers having a recessive gene for black and if crossbred would produce black puppies? (Someone please correct me if I am wrong). Whatever they are they are lovely dogs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptJack Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Yep, the only way to get a golden dog would be for both dogs to carry that ee red, I believe, if I understand the genetics right.For what it's worth, I see a lot of really small (45-50lb) goldens. Mostly females, but they DO come that small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I belief most Goldens are BB ee kbrkbr. BB = black ee = gold (masks black) kbrkbr = brindle, masked by ee) Gold is recessive, so the other parent would need to carry gold to get gold pups. Brindle requires just the right genetic combination of colors for it to be visible. So black really is quite understandable as a color for a dog that is half GR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geonni banner Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Even if they are litter mates, nothing says they have to have had the same sire. The black one has more timber than the gold one. I'd say the gold one is Golden Retriever X. The black one could be anything. It occurs to me that there might be "oops" litters around that were a cross between Border Collies and livestock guarding dogs. Maybe the sire of the black one could have been one of those. Anyway, beautiful dogs. Does the black one have extra toes? He seems to have prominent dew-claws on his rear legs. I'd almost want to do a DNA check on them, but it would probably come back Pointer/Chihuahua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mum24dog Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I know a GR x BC that is very like the black one. The mix quite often comes out black I believe. I also know a couple of 1/4 BC x 3/4 GRs that look more like the lighter dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Point Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Woah...really awesome looking dogs. I don't see anything Border either. Look like a ton of fun though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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