rlwzgd Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 My life is clearly to sheltered... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OurBoys Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Yes, but this doesn't speak to a need for carbohydrates in a dog's diet. You question the need for carbs in a dog's diet and then post? It does go on to explain how bitches in this study lacking carbs had fewer live pups and pups that thrived... And then you had the audacity to say my statement was erroneous?? Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 The no-carbs thing comes up when talking about human cancer too. My favourite was the person who recommended strictly no carbs, cooked food, or fruit, only organic 'living' vegetables (if it's not actually growing, you shouldn't eat it). No fruit because it has sugar. Oh, and lots of supplements and 'cleanses' which they conveniently sold. That was when we looked up the testimonials... and found people who had died of cancer still on the list of those who were 'cured'. Sharks get cancer, as do Tasmanian Devils (who are threatened with extinction by it). Must be all the carbs they eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
border_collie_crazy Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Misty is currently at the vets recovering from major surgery to remove a tumour(and a bobby pin.. ) from her intestines, she was perfectly healthy exept for sudden weight loss, I am not a "vet everything" person, but sudden weight loss had me rushing her to the vet..for good reason obviously. that is not a sign I would ever overlook, sudden weight loss is never normal. Misty BTW has been raw fed her entire life and has had exactly 1 vaccine ever. there is never any guarantees. on the plus side she was in incredably good shape given what was going on inside her lol edit: totally didn't read the whole thread before replying lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb777 Posted August 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 The comments are interesting. When I replay the last 11 months of her life. It sends me down possible conclusions to cause. I believe the tumor was there, waiting to become a bigger problem. I'm just not a fan of kibble. It seems to cause obesity easily, and I don't trust the ingredients. And yeah it's sad to think and be told that everything is toxic these days. From chicken having arsenic? Cancer sucks! And losing dogs too soon sucks! The weirdest thing is having a sense that everything was fine with my dog and then sent into shock that she was dying. Dogs really compensate their bodies for being ill. It can be very deceiving. My dog was as good as it gets to having a dog. I'm not sure another will be as awesome? So I will wait as long as I need to change my mind on getting a new one. I really love animals and life around me. It just the loss that is really hard to take. My dog mirrored joy back to me. Her enthusiasm for life was so amazing. I couldn't imagine her being ill ever. People would say, "your dog adores you". I think she had that "one person" type of dog thing going on. Letting her run through the hills by my home. When I first let her off the leash. Oh my, what a joy to see her spring and run around chasing rabbits and squirrels. It was just so playful. She gave me such a look of happiness during those walks. Such gratitude from her. Border Collies are so intelligent and expressive. I guess she gave me great memories. I'd like to know where her spirit goes? Another dog? maybe a person? does she graduate to being a human? I sure hope it's a great place, cause she deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 What's interesting is that looking at hair/bone samples from long ago, we seem to be exposed to fewer toxins, and less heavy metals, than people were one to three hundred years ago. The average person's probably much less likely to get lead poisoning now, for example. And our food's less likely to be toxic now thanks to people like Accum, improved testing, and rules against selling food in lead-soldered tins. Everything has poisons in it though, because as Paracelsus said 'the dose makes the poison'. Water can be deadly in excess. I understand what you mean about the perfect dog. You're right, you will never find another dog who can replace her. But you might find another dog who you feel the same way about, for different reasons. I'm very sorry for your loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 If memory serves correct, a dinosaur fossil was found recently that showed evidence of cancer. Doubt it was exposed to anything unnatural, unless aliens have been visiting earth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb777 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Seems like just yesterday I picked up my 8 week BC. Maybe too many vaccines? Maybe that caused the original tumor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach BCs Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 You must accept that you will never know the answer. As the rest of us who have lost dogs to cancer, will never know. Torturing yourself isn't working. You do the best you can with what you have. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon's girl Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Liz, you find absolute treasures. Thank you for sharing them with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlwzgd Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 You're absolutely right, and I'm sure the dinosaur (who's remains are discussed above) was given to many vaccines, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlwzgd Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Liz, you find absolute treasures. Thank you for sharing them with us. Second that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb777 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 maybe i should have had her cloned. that way every 8 1/2 years i can come back here and start a new thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseAmy Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Maybe we have a troll??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach BCs Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Ugh. This is exhausting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Logic and reason exist to provide an interesting contrast to how most people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Yeah, clearly the dinosaur ate kibble. Here is one of many interesting articles. Cancer has been around for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OurBoys Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Maybe we have a troll??? Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maralynn Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 The only sure way to not loose a dog due to cancer is to not have dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushdoggie Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Maybe we have a troll??? I think more like someone so wrapped up in guilt and grief that she/he is having a hard time thinking through what has been presented to him/her. Its time to let it go. I really really do understand, I lost my heart dog (a Papillon) over a year ago and for months I lay awake thinking how I might have done things differently...he had heart disease so maybe had I been more diligent with dentals, or given more supplements, or taken him to the cardiologist instead of letting my trusted vet treat him? What if I let him go too soon and instead of taking my trusted vet's advise that he was suffering I insisted on taking him to a specialist and trying more? I miss him so much every day I am crying right now as I type this thinking about him. I went through life in a fog of grief and guilt (he was only 12! I know 18 year old Papillons!) for a long time and it colored my thinking and I believe I upset a few people here in a thread about the best time to let go at the time, I was still reeling from the pain. I had to learn my dog would have forgiven me, and that deep down I did the best I could at the time based on what I knew, and that some things were out of my control. YOU didn't give your dog cancer. Shit happens in life, truly awful shit including losing your best friend way too soon. It wasn't what she ate, it was a combination of things that came together. STOP the guilt, stop thinking that you could have saved her if only... Give yourself time. She wouldn't have blamed you, would she? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcv-border Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Seems like just yesterday I picked up my 8 week BC. Maybe too many vaccines? Maybe that caused the original tumor? Ohhh.....never mind. [Actually, more like a closed mind.] And yes, a troll. Jovi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Never mind, sure if they are a troll the lurkers will learn something. I've certainly learned a lot. Maybe even what killed the dinosaurs! And well said, Rushdoggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSmitty Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 YOU didn't give your dog cancer. Shit happens in life, truly awful shit including losing your best friend way too soon. It wasn't what she ate, it was a combination of things that came together. STOP the guilt, stop thinking that you could have saved her if only... Give yourself time. She wouldn't have blamed you, would she? This. A million times, this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb777 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Quit calling me a Troll. Anyways, here is an interesting article on vaccines. http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/3-puppy-vaccination-mistakes-too-early-too-often-too-much/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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