kb13733 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 I'm so excited, I just had to share. These puppies were complete accidents and we had one accidental tie where my male got off his leash and yeah... Anyway my male is a border collie / red heeler mix and my female is a pure-bred shiba inu. Things like bad roommates, flat tires, etc, kept us from having the money to neuter our boy. Anyway Shinka (our shiba inu) just gave birth last night to two healthy babies. She's a little nervous about her first litter but I imagine that's normal. But what is funny is that both the pups have the pure - bred shiba inu black coloring where both the parents are red or orange. I will have to post pictures soon but we plan on keeping one and giving the other to my mother.
SecretBC Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 Umm..... Do you expect us to say "congrats?" Sorry, no. I don't care what your excuses are for having an intact mixed breed dog running around. Frankly, I don't care that people leave their animals intact -- IF THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE. Yeah, not responsible.
jdarling Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 How old are Shinka and your male?
kb13733 Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Posted September 30, 2011 I know a lot of people hate mixed breeds. And it was never our intention to have him intact, just some crappy things kept happening. I love my mixed breeds. My basset hound / lab mix is adorably sweet and my border collie / red heeler mix is my most well behaved dog yet. Both dogs will be spayed and neutered with this upcoming student loan money, we've been in a better situation since we've moved. Anyway, I'm not a back yard breeder. I do not breed my dogs intentionally and sell them to pet shops without any regard to their health. All of my dogs are well cared for. I've owned numerous dogs throughout the years and this is the first and last accident. These puppies are not going to end up in a shelter considering I will not let them go to strangers. I'd appreciate it if you kept your opinions to yourself. You do not know what my situation was. And my female is 2 years old and my male is a year.
SecretBC Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 Who the heck said I hate mixed breeds? My oldest dog is a mixed breed that I got from a shelter. Secret is probably mixed with something other than border collie -- hard to know since some idiot dumped her mom at a shelter. What I hate is irresponsible people who breed more unnecessary dogs. Saying it was an accident doesn't make it any better. Go spend some time volunteering in a shelter and maybe you'll start to share my opinion. This is a bulletin board on the internet. We come here to share our opinions. So I'll share mine, thank you very much.
jdarling Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 I'd appreciate it if you kept your opinions to yourself. Unless, of course, our opinion is, "Oh how cute!" Right?
SecretBC Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 Sadly, I think it's more the case of an ignorant teenager.
scullywags Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 We have local program where you can get reduced spay neuter done maybe your area has this available so there are no more "suprises" in the future for you more mouths to feed do not sound like an option for you at this point either so this may be good thing to see about.
Journey Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 I'm so excited, I just had to share. No you didn't. sTroll back to the sewer you came from, please.
kb13733 Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Posted September 30, 2011 I probably am an ignorant teenager but I have volunteered at shelters and it doesn't make sense how a breeder is more responsible than I when I see pure - breds at shelters all the time. Whereas they are producing more than two puppies in the dogs life - time. Its not a matter of irresponsible breeders (granted puppy mills and such are a horrible disgrace) but of ignorant and irresponsible owners. People who take on dogs that they think they can handle but they come to find out they can't. That is what puts dogs in shelters. You could have champion blood lines but if the new owner can't take care of them, then thats where the puppy goes. What makes a dog worth living? Its lineage or just the fact its alive? Obviously the only dogs that should exist are pure - breds, never mind those "designer" dogs everybody loves. If you are going to preach about irresponsible breeders then maybe there should be a government sactioned branch where breeders must apply and register to breed animals. Each breeder will provide the new pet owner with a voucher to get their pets spayed by a certain age, if they fail to commit to that then they shall be punished by law. A breeder needs to follow up with each puppy and its owner to be certain that the puppy is getting adequate care and attention and if the breeder fails to follow up then the breeder should be punished. The breeder may also be punished if the owner abandons, mistreats, sells, or gives away their pet. By what you are saying, you mean that breeders should be responsible for everything that happens to that puppy after it leaves to its new home? To be honest, I think that the number of actual animals available is not the problem. But the number of idiots is high. These idiots do not think ahead of getting a puppy. They don't research the breed, they don't realize how much time the puppy actually needs to be trained, cuddled, etc. They just want something cute and adorable to cuddle and when the real care needs to begin, they panic and give up and that dog ends up in the shelter. Pure - bred or not.
kb13733 Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Posted September 30, 2011 I have never or ever will send one of my animals to the shelter. They are part of my family and a life - long commitment. If I need to keep both puppies because I can't find them good homes, then I will. And I'll be sure to spay and neuter so there isn't mixed breeds running around intact. Thanks.
jdarling Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 It's funny when someone pops in that obviously hasn't read the general philosophy of the board they just popped on to. But the number of idiots is high. These idiots do not think ahead of getting a puppy. They don't research the breed, they don't realize how much time the puppy actually needs to be trained, cuddled, etc. They just want something cute and adorable to cuddle and when the real care needs to begin, they panic and give up and that dog ends up in the shelter. ... or pregnant with an "accidental" breeding.
SecretBC Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 Its not a matter of irresponsible breeders but of ignorant and irresponsible owners. Of which you are now BOTH! Congratulations! And since you have struggled to find the finances to alter your current dogs, I am hard pressed to believe that these two new additions will be done in a timely manner. Why no mention of spaying the female? Just because she's "purebred" doesn't mean she needs to keep her uterus and pop out more puppies for you. I think she's already paid her dues by carrying these oversized mixed breed puppies for you.
jdarling Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 Karissa, in the OP's second post ... they said: "Both dogs will be spayed and neutered with this upcoming student loan money, we've been in a better situation since we've moved." See? Because that's what responsible students do with their student loans. After all, isn't that what student loans are for?
SecretBC Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 Whoops, my bad. I guess I fixated on: "Things like bad roommates, flat tires, etc, kept us from having the money to neuter our boy." It's nice that she has an excuse for not neutering the one year old male -- But why has the bitch gone two years without being spayed? And why bring another dog into the house when you haven't been able to afford the care for the one you have? Hey, question for the OP -- Are the proud parents current on their vaccinations?
3msmom Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 I thoroughly understand that the random breeding of dogs is contrary to what the board stands for, but there was an opportunity presented here to educate and promote the standards that the boards appear to support. IMO it was lowered into a rather ugly thread that would do more to alienate any new readers than to educate. Just my opinion.
jdarling Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 Exactly how do you educate someone who obviously knew better? ("Things like bad roommates, flat tires, etc, kept us from having the money to neuter our boy.") And, again, why is that this board's job?
3msmom Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 What about any other new reader coming into the boards for the first time? What if this thread is the first look a new person has at the BC Boards? There is a tremendous amount of good information to be found here on the Boards,and I'm assuming that information is here with the intent of being shared i.e. possibly educating someone who has not had prior access to this information. If everybody knows it why bother to post it? I'm not saying that it is the board's job to educate, but if that isn't part of what occurs why is the board here? As strictly a social outlet, a meeting place for only those who think exactly what you do and anyone else can be told to "sToll back into the sewer?" If that was my first impression of what the BC Boards stood for, a comment like that would make me think twice about looking any further. But I know that there are people here who have the best interests of the dogs, especially working border collies at heart and are willing to share tips and information that a new person might be hard put to find elsewhere so freely shared. Again, just my opinion.
scullywags Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 What about any other new reader coming into the boards for the first time? What if this thread is the first look a new person has at the BC Boards? There is a tremendous amount of good information to be found here on the Boards,and I'm assuming that information is here with the intent of being shared i.e. possibly educating someone who has not had prior access to this information. If everybody knows it why bother to post it? I'm not saying that it is the board's job to educate, but if that isn't part of what occurs why is the board here? As strictly a social outlet, a meeting place for only those who think exactly what you do and anyone else can be told to "sToll back into the sewer?" If that was my first impression of what the BC Boards stood for, a comment like that would make me think twice about looking any further. But I know that there are people here who have the best interests of the dogs, especially working border collies at heart and are willing to share tips and information that a new person might be hard put to find elsewhere so freely shared. Again, just my opinion. I just want to clarify I am new I was slighty agasht by the serwer comment however boards have lots of folks with lots of view about things so they should allowed to state how they feel my post was just to give some info not judge I do see it weird you would post that on a BC forum if they are not BC pups o related to BC anything or did I miss that they were ?
Journey Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 Go read her other 18 posts.....she's not a teenager, she has another dog as well and she's not looking for help or education. Wouldn't it be great if the whole thread was deleted. There's nothing to brag about nothing to cheer, nothing to learn from the OP. It's shameful and sad for her dogs, but....it's exciting for the OP.
jdarling Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 The new person reading this thread will quickly learn that coming on the boards to brag about a mixed breed accidental litter is not something to come on the boards and brag about. Maybe it will give them pause to take a look around and possibly stumble on the "READ THIS FIRST" thread that doesn't take much to stumble across. And if they can't handle this mild thread, perhaps they should get off the internet altogether. (By the way, it's nice that you showed up to the thread with the "such a shame the board missed an opportunity to educate" ... instead of just posting your educational contribution...) How should this have been handled differently? Let's see. We could have said: "Oh that's nice. But do you know that there are tons of mixed breed puppies in the shelters?" Yes, the OP knew that. Or ... "Do you know you should have spayed/neutered your dogs?" Yes, the OP knew that. Or ... "Do you know that females will come into season if they are not spayed and males will breed them?" Yes, the OP knew that. Or ... "I don't mean to offend anyone, but having an accidental litter is maybe ... umm ... just a teensie weensie bit ... um irresponsible ... sometimes... maybe" The OP knew that, too. That's why the OP came to the boards with somewhat of a defensive attitude, and by the second post, was already telling someone to keep their opinion to themselves because it wasn't what the OP wanted to hear. So ... do tell. Better yet. Direct your post to the OP and show us all how to educate someone who came here to brag about their new puppies and thinks they know it all. I'll sit here and watch and learn.
PSmitty Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 Wow. In May, puppy pics were posted of the male that sired this litter. He was 6 months old. In June, OP posted asking about a problem with his "aggressiveness". In July, OP posted asking for rehoming input, because they just didn't have time for him. Now there are puppies to consider, too.
geonni banner Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 I have to say, the response about "crawling back into your sewer" did seem a bit harsh at the moment I read it. But the provocation was, on a scale of 1 to 10, about an 11. If the OP had come here with a penitent attitude, and a plausible story about how the mating was a regrettable, but unavoidable accident, and she felt tremendously guilty, the reaction might have been a tad less sharp. But the OP's initial post was celebratory in tone, ("NEW PUPPIES!") glossing over her responsibility with how she was going to keep one of the two pups and give one to a relative. As if that made it all OK. Even though the OP allegedly can't afford to get the Shiba bitch spayed, she's taking on another pup. How soon will she be posting for advice on how to place this new pup because she doesn't have time to take care of it? (About 7 mos. when it gets pregnant too?) I don't think anybody here would have been any more pleased if the litter had been purebred Border Collies. The presence of purebred dogs in the shelter is no more or less tragic than that of mixed breed dogs. Nor is the "accidental mating" of two purebred dogs any less deplorable. I think everyone here knows that. Jdarling is right. Making nice to this person will be unlikely to yield any appreciable change in her attitude. She screwed up, big time, and she's handing out balloons and saying, "but it's OK because..." It's not OK. For her, for the dogs, and (I'd venture to guess) for anybody here. And as for people being permitted to have dogs unless they qualify as a good home, OP, you are a great big FAIL.
3msmom Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 “How should this have been handled differently? ...So ... do tell. Better yet. Direct your post to the OP and show us all how to educate someone who came here to brag about their new puppies and thinks they know it all. I'll sit here and watch and learn. “ Dear OP, It appears obvious to me and possibly a few others that you made the original post to stir the pot so to speak. You knew what the response would be and if your intent was to frustrate normally polite people into making hostile comments to deflect the spotlight from your lack of preparation to be a responsible pet owner, you have been successful as that is indeed the direction the thread has taken. However you admitted your mistakes, you can't just have them magically disappear by distracting the readers from the truth. Your lack of vision has resulted in the production of more unwanted puppies in a world that has far too many of them already. And before you start in with the these puppies are wanted line please remember you said that they were a total accident. However there are many things that a new comer coming in looking for a puppy can learn from your mistakes if they take the facts seriously which you didn't. Here are just a couple. #1 Dogs breed and produce pups, They don't follow the standards of when they should be old enough, being obvious in coming into heat, respect the fact that you kept your male away from the female except for that one time he slipped out the door when you were off balance and couldn't grab him, etc. The ONLY way to !00% guarantee there will be no pups is to spay or neuter your dog at the time your veterinarian feels is right for that sex, breed and it's health. #2 Manure occureth, if you are going to have a pet be prepared not only for the regular stuff such as food, supplies, worming, vaccinations, occasional boarding, spay/neuter surgeries, routine dental care, but also wounds that need stitches, broken bones etc. Also take into consideration that you also need to be able to do all those things even when the car blows an engine, your lose your job, you are going to become a parent, etc. A pet is a life long responsibly, make sure you are ready to commit to that before you take on a life dependent on you! Will that work as a possible example?
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