jdarling Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Have you ever dreamed about being able to learn Treiball while learning how to herd at your local facility? Well, if you lived in Southern California, you could do exactly that! Here are a few videos that will teach you how to use a "sheepherding whistle" specifically for Treiball (however, they are the "same whistles you use in sheepherding!"): And here is how it all comes together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Is there an emoticon for gagging? Seriously now! Nothing like "full-service". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Festerling Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Hey, I should definitely do this....it should help my behind to keep learning whistles without moving sheep and other distractions.... The rest...not my thing I would have to say. But am looking for the positive.... And no, no such set up at my house now or ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoga Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Is there an emoticon for gagging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pam Wolf Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Jodi, while I am one of the first to say it is not 'herding' here you go again demeaning things people do with their dogs yet again. I personally would rather see people harrassing balls than sheep. This 'dog sport' does help people learn to control their dogs, something ALL pet owners should learn to do with their dogs. No one, nor any livestock is harmed in this so what is wrong with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Pam - Thank you. My gut reaction in seeing the headline "full-service herding facility" led me to believe that this was indeed about a location that was supposedly providing "herding" lessons and trei-ball lessons as if they were just two aspects of one activity. And I reacted accordingly. However, in looking at the videos and some references found in Google searches, I'm not finding any place that seems to offer both "herding" and trei-ball lessons, although I expect there are some somewhere at the sort of place that seeks to draw in the public for all sorts of "doggie sports". So, it seems I over-reacted, and I apologize to all for doing that (again). I have come to the conclusion that while I find it rather demeaning to take commands, whistles, crooks, and certain items that are a major part of stockwork and tradition, and make them part of a game, as a game, trei-ball is as good a game for dog and handler as any other activity would be - and it sure beats "herding" with all breeds ("from your Great Dane to your Chihuahua) or with disinterested or untalented dogs on someone's stock that are treated as nothing but dog toys. So, long live trei-ball! Just keep it real, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearse Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 as a game, trei-ball is as good a game for dog and handler as any other activity would be - and it sure beats "herding" with all breeds I'm 100% in agreement with Sue. I don't see the harm in playing at ball herding with your dog if that's what you're into and the use of whistles and crooks etc doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'd rather see people who weren't serious about stock work doing this than terrorizing sheep every weekend. Stockwork it ain't but I'm sure there are thousands of Border Collies who would find it more than enough fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdarling Posted August 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Yes, Pam. I am the bad guy. Shame on me. Sue ... that was supposedly providing "herding" lessons and trei-ball lessons as if they were just two aspects of one activity. (FWIW, the facility these videos are taken at is a herding facility. Whether they actually offer Treiball lessons professionally, I have no idea.) This is how people training Treiball have always struck me. If this game is just some activity that people do with their dogs ... that's great. However, why the sheepdog whistle, the crook, the exact same commands as used in stockwork, the same language, etc.? Unfortunately, people DO think that this fun little activity that they do with their doggies somehow converts right over to stockwork. Meanwhile, all you're doing is training dogs very mechanically, so if it does transfer, I'm guessing that's the way it will transfer. I've seen a handler who dry trains with frisbees (not to mention various other inanimate objects) and such send her dog on an "away" on a slightly blind outrun ... and when the dog couldn't find the sheep, ran out about 50', turned around and looked at his owner as if to say, "Ok! Throw the frisbee!" When I send my dog on an outrun, I want my dog to trust me that there will always be sheep to find when I give the command. But if your goal is AKC "herding" ... then I suppose there is nothing wrong with it. It's kind of hard to hide sheep 100' from the handler's post. Jodi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Okay, but *my* problem is that *I* didn't have enough information to get *my* facts straight before *I* shot off *my* mouth based on *my* assumptions. *My* problem lies with *me*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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