jdarling Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 I haven't done this yet, but it's only a matter of time. It's the second day of a two-day trial, and the course is mirrored from the day before. You outrun, lift and fetch, and then at some point you realize ... you're going the wrong way on the drive. I watched someone do it at an informal trial this weekend, and the gentleman I was sitting next to is a judge, so I asked him how the judging on that works. He told me that it's normally a DQ. Something I was thinking about later ... at what point is it a DQ? Do you have any time to A) realize it, and "B") fix it? Is the DQ when you come around the post the wrong way and start driving? Or is it when you get to the first drive panel? Or go through the first drive panel? Technically, where is the line between an "oops" that you can fix and a "DQ"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amc Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 I haven't done this yet, but it's only a matter of time. It's the second day of a two-day trial, and the course is mirrored from the day before. You outrun, lift and fetch, and then at some point you realize ... you're going the wrong way on the drive. I watched someone do it at an informal trial this weekend, and the gentleman I was sitting next to is a judge, so I asked him how the judging on that works. He told me that it's normally a DQ. Something I was thinking about later ... at what point is it a DQ? Do you have any time to A) realize it, and "B") fix it? Is the DQ when you come around the post the wrong way and start driving? Or is it when you get to the first drive panel? Or go through the first drive panel? Technically, where is the line between an "oops" that you can fix and a "DQ"? When you make or miss the first drive panel (or the fetch gates, as sometimes happens), then you're DQed for off course. Until then, you're just badly off line. If anyone from the sidelines shouts out and tells you you went the wrong way, they also can be DQed for outside assistance. Yikes! Amy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Billadeau Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Some judges will DQ you in Open for going the wrong way around the post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdarling Posted August 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Brutal! Well, I guess at that level, you're expected to know which way you're going. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
juliepoudrier Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Jodi, I think a more common mistake at that level would be to accidentally drive the fetch panels (vs. the drive away panels). I don't think I've ever seen an open handler go completely the wrong way on a trial course, but I have seen them accidentally drive toward the fetch panels. J. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Donald McCaig Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Dear Fellow Handlers, I've done both. Wrong way around the handler's post but toward the correct drive panel: lost all but one fetch point, drove the fetch panel (Ret because I anticipated the DQ). Doesn't really matter very much. You lose so many points you're well out of the prize list. It probably pays to do a mental rehearsal while watching earlier runs. Donald McCaig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Billadeau Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 I send my dog. Look up at the course. Move to the cross-drive panel side of the post. I started this after a trial were 5 out of 6 runs I started to turn the post the wrong way (caught my mistake halfway around the post). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdarling Posted August 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Oh good idea, Mark! I like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgt Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Move to the cross-drive panel side of the post. Interesting - I always move to the drive panel side. (I think Patrick Shannahan showed me this a long time ago.) The plan is to be in position to block the sheep from going the wrong way around. I haven't gone the wrong way yet! (But, I have done lots of other cool stuff, which won't be detailed here.) charlie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurae Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 So my strategy (at least when my dog decides to go out and find the sheep) of moving around the post with the sheep leaves me doomed... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Billadeau Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Sorry, I do as charlie describes; I simply wrote the wrong side of the post. I'm not sure I call wearing a bucket as a hat, cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Journey Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 So my strategy (at least when my dog decides to go out and find the sheep) of moving around the post with the sheep leaves me doomed... Only if you don't stop going around the post at the appropriate point! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgt Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 So my strategy (at least when my dog decides to go out and find the sheep) of moving around the post with the sheep leaves me doomed... Going around the post with the sheep is fine. Some judges, however, might deduct a bit if they think you are helping your dog too much on the turn. It's always something. charlie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgt Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 I'm not sure I call wearing a bucket as a hat, cool. As you get older you will find your memory is not so good. I am eagerly awaiting this phase of your life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
juliepoudrier Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 So my strategy (at least when my dog decides to go out and find the sheep) of moving around the post with the sheep leaves me doomed... I follow around, too, mainly because it's easier to see what's going on and correct/prevent mistakes. And if you follow around, then you couild position yourself to the side the sheep need to pass first. J. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Billadeau Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 As you get older you will find your memory is not so good.I am eagerly awaiting this phase of your life. Are you sure about this? Sometimes memories are embellished as opposed to forgotten. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgt Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Hmmm... I am not sure about that - I can't remember. charlie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurae Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Some judges, however, might deduct a bit if they think you are helping your dog too much on the turn. Figures... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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