stockdogranch Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 A couple of weeks ago, Denise suggested this book in a thread not unlike the one now continuing. I picked it up at my campus library the next day, and must agree with her original comment, " A great read." I find it particularly applicable as a teacher. And while it may not be directly addressing *dog* behavior, then again, maybe it kinda does... A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest echoica Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Interesting recommendation! I think where people go astray with training (whether that is with humans or dogs) is the thinking that 'bribes' are effective when they absolutely are NOT! At least not as a long term solution -- as this book explains. If you are going to use a reward-based training method it needs to be one that can be faded and intermittent. Unfortunately, humans don't tend to enjoy continuous repetition as much as a dog -- to the point where it becomes necessary to establish an automatic response. Humans are more complex....although I am sure Skinner would disagree with me saying that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedismom Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Interesting. I'll try to pick this up at our college library. I'm taking a class on Educational Psychology right now and we are currently discussing this very thing. When we were discussing operant conditioning, my mind kept thinking dog instead of human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herdcentral Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I have a very sensitive dog and I have found by using toys in particular I can transfer value from what she feels about the toys which is excited onto her agility equipment which she used to find demotivating. Bribes dont work long term but transferring value does seem to with my dogs. It took me awhile to learn the difference when I first started working with toys and treats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushdoggie Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Can you summarize in 25 words or less (not really, just a quick outline of the book). Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockdogranch Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Rather than get into a lengthy explanation, I'll just say that it examines the premises underlying behaviorism, and then, with plenty of studies cited (which keeps us geeks happy), addresses why as a theory, it may or may not achieve the desired goals. But that doesn't really do the book justice--if you're interested, you really should read it. Punished By Rewards by Alfie Kohn (1993). A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest echoica Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Can you summarize in 25 words or less (not really, just a quick outline of the book). Here is the description and TOC provided on the author's website: http://www.alfiekohn.org/books/pbr.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushdoggie Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Rather than get into a lengthy explanation, I'll just say that it examines the premises underlying behaviorism, and then, with plenty of studies cited (which keeps us geeks happy), addresses why as a theory, it may or may not achieve the desired goals. But that doesn't really do the book justice--if you're interested, you really should read it. Punished By Rewards by Alfie Kohn (1993).A Oh thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for, my '25 words or less' comment was me being silly. I have read several articles by Alfie Kohn but I did not know he wrote a book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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