Olivia Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I friend asked and I have no idea. A rough coated male bred to a smooth coated girl. All roughs? Olivia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1sheepdoggal Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 If your lucky, a little bit of both! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 The litter I bred was a rough coated male to a smooth female. The litter was about evenly divided between smooth and rough, though all of the roughs are actually what I would consider medium coats (that is, rough, but not a lot of coat) and the smooths varied from slick to thicker coated. I think your friend can expect a mix of coat types. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivia Posted May 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Cool, thanks! It seems to be good dogs from a well known sheepdog person and while she really wants just the right dog I know deep down she likes a rough coated dog. She has a smooth girl now and I see her making covetous glaces at Carlie's feathery tail. Olivia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1sheepdoggal Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I like em both as long as they work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Depends on the smooth coat. Smooth is dominant, so she could either throw all smooth pups or 50/50 if bred to a rough coated male. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaBluez Tess Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I bred Imp Peg (smooth) to Tait (Smooth) and I got: 2 smooth and one rough coat.... Go figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokjbc Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I bred Imp Peg (smooth) to Tait (Smooth) and I got: 2 smooth and one rough coat.... Go figure And didn't you think you picked the smooth? BWWWAAAHHHAAAHAAA HAAAAAAAHAAAA . . . . . .See my sig line for one of the smoothies in that litter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaBluez Tess Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Jade was supposed to be smooth!! But she pulled a fast one!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokjbc Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Jade was supposed to be smooth!! But she pulled a fast one!! If she's anything like Her Jet-Ness...that's just the beginning of the trickery! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaBluez Tess Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Jade belongs to Nancy O. She plans on running her in Nursery for next year. She took her to a Norm C clinic and he liked her. Jade tried the *compliant routine* with Nancy too!! Sounds familiar? Jet was the ringleader of the pups....got your hands full with her, don't ya ;-) Joss, the bro, is very much a smooth and a dead ringer for his sire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokjbc Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Jade belongs to Nancy O. She plans on running her in Nursery for next year. She took her to a Norm C clinic and he liked her. Jade tried the *compliant routine* with Nancy too!! Sounds familiar? Jet was the ringleader of the pups....got your hands full with her, don't ya ;-) Joss, the bro, is very much a smooth and a dead ringer for his sire. She is just right- all the good kind of badness ! The compliant thing is very scary smart-like . To get back on topic- I bred Rhett (very fluffy) to Ace (McCallum bred, smooth smooth smooth) and got 2 fluffier than their mother, one in-between, and two very smooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie Meier Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Bred smooth male, who's sire was smooth and dam was rough to a female that was rough, her sire was rough and her dam was smooth. Ended up with 5 smooth (2 males - 3 female) and 3 roughs all females. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo Peep Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I happen to like a dog with some fur to pet. Nothing to do how the dog works, but s/he is going to be in my home and I like a little fur. I would love my dog if he was purple. BUT....... I like the furry stuff. Personal prefaces, I consider. I love to brush my dog- he likes it also. Never had a slick coat, less hair, less vacuuming..........hmmmmmmmmmm. Not as purdy. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie Meier Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I happen to like a dog with some fur to pet. Nothing to do how the dog works, but s/he is going to be in my home and I like a little fur. I would love my dog if he was purple. BUT....... I like the furry stuff. Personal prefaces, I consider. I love to brush my dog- he likes it also. Never had a slick coat, less hair, less vacuuming..........hmmmmmmmmmm.Not as purdy. LOL. Depends when you are evaluating pretty, for me it's as they are coming in after working cattle out in the mud lots, Sharon's heavy coated "pretty" dog with a cool tail comes out dripping mud splattering all of us, Jake comes out and with one quick shake to flick it all off, "PRETTY" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca, Irena Farm Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Smooths actually shed worse. The long hairs tend to "hang on" until disturbed (running around outside for instance), but smooth just drop hair all over the place. When I used crates a lot, I also had two smooth coats - I'd have to move their crates every couple of days to vaccuum the hair just accumulated while sleeping or crated while we were gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Smooths actually shed worse. The long hairs tend to "hang on" until disturbed (running around outside for instance), but smooth just drop hair all over the place. When I used crates a lot, I also had two smooth coats - I'd have to move their crates every couple of days to vaccuum the hair just accumulated while sleeping or crated while we were gone! You obviously haven't met Sage. He is a rough coat with fur somewhere between the normal/average texture of a RC BC and the texture of a Malamute. He leaves massive fur bombs behind in the crate, in my car and everywhere else he goes. His dam and his littermate brother have more classic textured fur and don't shed nearly as much. He got his coat from his sire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaBluez Tess Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 You know I really didn't care for smooth coats for the longest time. Now, I adore them. Go figure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urge to herd Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 You obviously haven't met Sage. He is a rough coat with fur somewhere between the normal/average texture of a RC BC and the texture of a Malamute. He leaves massive fur bombs behind in the crate, in my car and everywhere else he goes. His dam and his littermate brother have more classic textured fur and don't shed nearly as much. He got his coat from his sire. Or Buzz. A month or so after he died, I noticed that we had less than half the usual amounts of dog hair wafting around. That boy was a fur factory. Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maralynn Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Smooths actually shed worse. The long hairs tend to "hang on" until disturbed (running around outside for instance), but smooth just drop hair all over the place. When I used crates a lot, I also had two smooth coats - I'd have to move their crates every couple of days to vaccuum the hair just accumulated while sleeping or crated while we were gone! So its not just my imagination!! It has always seemed like Kipp sheds twice as much (or even more) than Missy - it's amazing how much hiar comes off that little dog! But I do love that "easy to clean" smooth coat of his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsADogsLyfe Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I have 3 roughs and 1 smooth (until this Sunday when I will have 2 smooths) and the smooth sheds the worse and all the time. My roughs might have more hair, but their undercoat sheds only a couple times a year where my smooth seems to always be shedding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Billadeau Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 The litter will depend upon what genes the smooth coated female carries. Smooth is dominant "S"; rough is recessive "r". Each dog carries 2 coat length genes. If it carries at least one smooth gene (Sr or SS) it is smooth coated. The rough coated male must carry rr. If the female is SS the pups will all get one S gene and will be smooth coated. If the female is Sr then some pups will be rr and some will be Sr (a predicted 50/50 mix of smooth & rough). Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenajo Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 smooth appears to be able to moderate the amount of rough as well. Which is why you can get semi-rough, semi-smooth....and all the variations thereof. The litter will depend upon what genes the smooth coated female carries.Smooth is dominant "S"; rough is recessive "r". Each dog carries 2 coat length genes. If it carries at least one smooth gene (Sr or SS) it is smooth coated. The rough coated male must carry rr. If the female is SS the pups will all get one S gene and will be smooth coated. If the female is Sr then some pups will be rr and some will be Sr (a predicted 50/50 mix of smooth & rough). Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Billadeau Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 The description I posted was the Mendelian view of genetics; reality is often not as simple. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenajo Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 The description I posted was the Mendelian view of genetics; reality is often not as simple.Mark So how does the modifer work? Is it like the S allelle and white? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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