DeltaBluez Tess Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Does anyone know about this one? http://www.usfdr.com/ Jeff Patterson 400 Eller Road Sparta, Tennessee 38583 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: USFDR.COM Created on: 29-Jul-07 Expires on: 29-Jul-13 Last Updated on: 27-Jul-08 Administrative Contact: Patterson, Jeff sales@knifecountry.net 400 Eller Road Sparta, Tennessee 38583 United States (931) 738-7716 Technical Contact: Patterson, Jeff sales@knifecountry.net 400 Eller Road Sparta, Tennessee 38583 United States (931) 738-7716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Is he trying to reinvent the wheel? Just what is not needed is yet another registry when there are reliable ones (ABCA, CBCA, and ISDS) that are doing the job already, and a plethora of so-called registries that are not credible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdarling Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Well ... you can ASK JEFF on his very own, very successful forum. It might take him a while to answer you back. It's quite a busy forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somewhereinusa Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Where did his online data base come from, it has a dog of mine that died 20 years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Williams Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 I'm not interested in the registry, but like the database concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eileen Stein Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Jeff Patterson is on these Boards as JLP. He's been asked in the past where his database came from, but hasn't replied. The USFDR has been prominently featured on MAH's websites pretty much since it began. That's all I know about the registry -- never seen it referred to anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie Meier Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 If you do a search on the Working Stockdog forum you can find threads where Jeff announced the data base and offered to add anyones pedigree as time permitted. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRhodes Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Jeff also posted here about it. He first posted about how he thought it would be a neat idea if there were a database of American dogs as it was hard to find pedigrees: http://www.bordercollie.org/boards/index.p...amp;hl=pedigree And then he posted that he'd made a database: http://www.bordercollie.org/boards/index.p...amp;hl=pedigree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennyT Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 "The USFDR has been prominently featured on MAH's websites." MAH is what? I got mahjong, also mid america health prison and military dental services when I googled, nothing that sounded remotely plausible. Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Penny, MAH - Mary Ann Harrison, another puppy miller in cahoots with Swafford and expelled from ABCA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdarling Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 MAH = Mary Ann Harrison, i.e. Wildrose BC's. aka Cherokee Rose BC's, i.e. aka American Beauty BC's aka ... whatever other nutty thing she comes up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Anyone who's ever gone to peruse her website should surely realize she's not running on all cylinders. I'd be ashamed to even admit that I'd bought a dog or pup from someone who runs a website like that. She's obviously not trying to appeal to any discerning market segment. And she has a link to the infamous "Mid Tennessee Border Collie Rescue" (aka the site for breeders like Swafford and MAH for disposing of dogs they can't sell otherwise) prominently displayed. It also appears that she has sold one or more dogs to Mr. Patterson to be used as breeding stock. That alone makes me dubious of his intentions, and I hope I am wrong about that. She ran a very vitriolic anti-ABCA "coven of witches" display on the website in the fall, to celebrate Hallowe'en, I expect. Gives me the creeps just remembering it. She only has about three litters currently advertised on the site. The shame is that people like these manage to resurface and continue selling pups to a gullible public, making reference to all sorts of well-bred dogs and respected handlers, and just looking to make a buck off the dogs any way they can. I'm sorry to rant but I'm feeling incredibly disgusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca, Irena Farm Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I feel obligated to note that although people are getting a little more savvy about web sites like hers (she's gotten a bit behind the times in terms of look and feel though I'm sure she'll revamp eventually) - if someone just looks at the yummy candy colored collies and starts e-mailing her - she's VERY nice and persuasive and doesn't come off crazy at all. I've had a few face-to-face dealings with her and her associates and there are people who just have that gift of saying the right things, putting you at ease, taking all your money, leaving you with a lifetime's worth of problems, and as long as she's talking to you, you still feel like she's doing you a favor. So I have only sympathy for most people who get taken by people like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelliwic Border Collies Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Hey Becca, don't you have or didn't you recently have a foster suspected to be from one of those folks? How's that little girl doing, and getting along with her leg? Eve, I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca, Irena Farm Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Yes, she's living now with her brother just down the road. A family from our church adopted them. They had a vet check them thoroughly. The consensus is that the leg issue was an injury resulting from overcrowding of the whelping area (multiple females in together), or else the dam herself was aggressive. Probably the latter since both pups are sweet and anything but aggressive and I'd expect at least one would have issues if mom was a pup killer. I dunno. Anyway, they decided to go for it anyway - Eve gets around great (they changed her name to Delilah) and they are having fun going to puppy school with them both. They made a discovery in puppy school, though. Most likely D is mostly or completely deaf. Yay for double merle breeding. She's REALLY attentive and good at reading what you want so I had no notion of this the couple weeks they were here. Hemp (who is now Toby) is the life of the party, apparently. He seems healthy for now but I'm nervous about his hips. I've encouraged them to take a look when he gets to be a year or eighteen months old. I've told them that I'm pretty sure Toby and D are not necessarily related. They may have a same sire but what often happens at these places that raise puppies like veal (to borrow Melanie's phrase), is that they will group the pretty colors together after weaning. Looking at the other "dumpees" from this same shelter's web site, it kind of looks like that. I'm 90% sure these pups were "unsellables" dumped out of one of the operations in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoofly Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Becca, how old would they be now? I had an 8 month old merle come out for a lesson last weekend that seems to have come from MAH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thallous Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Becca, how old would they be now? I had an 8 month old merle come out for a lesson last weekend that seems to have come from MAH. That would be my Pepper, I really can't say for sure that it was MAH, but from a bit of detective work on the phone numbers we talked to each other at, I'd say I'm 90% sure. I found her through an add in a newspaper so no websites were involved, but if anyone wants the numbers or email addresses so you can steer clear of her contact me and ill be glad to give those in private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca, Irena Farm Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 It certainly could be. These pups are about that age now if the vet was right about their age (I'm not sure, but okay). When she saw them at Christmas she said they were six to seven months old. Of course, it's not like there would have been just ONE litter around the same time. From what I've heard, these guys crank out dozens of litters a year. Second hand information from people who have seen MAHs places corroborates this. I think that the main lesson from all this is to people looking for a puppy for themselves. There's a very helpful sticky available in this forum (um, can't remember where - is it pinned in every area?). In it you will note particularly a warning against purchasing a puppy off an internet site. More and more REPUTABLE breeders are starting to get websites and blogs up, but it's rare that you'll see a litter advertised there until they are all spoken for already. The best place to start when looking for a puppy, is to shop for a breeder. Get that puppy out of your head and think of plunking down $400 to $800 for a 14+ year relationship with a breeder. I get a big smile when I think of the time I get to hang out with Ted's breeders, and the e-mails, and recently I drove a few hours mostly to spend some time with the sire's owner (not to mention the Billadeaus too). The price I paid for Ted was a small one for being able to exchange information comparing notes on Ted's siblings, and how his early development has compared to his parents. The breeder of my next pup (crossing fingers!) is someone I've respected for a while, and someone who IS respected among top level trainers, handlers, and breeders. I've seen both parents, the sire almost from a pup, most of the grandparents, a full sibling and a few cousins - it's not a pup, it's an investment and a buy in into a community. Of course I don't see Ted that way exclusively - the relationships that came with Ted were value added to a wonderful dog who I WUVS, not the other way around. But you'll love your pup no matter what the background - that's a given. So the part I consider to be most important to research ahead of time is the breeder - experience, goals, philosophies, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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