NateDog Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Yeh i tend to forget he is only a baby, and should expect him to just be sweet with anything and everything. imagine a 12wk old human adventuring around in the outside world I will keep on it and keep trying to be patient, as i think this is my biggest problem, getting frustrated when he doesnt do what i 'think' he should be doing. Cheers Guys Joseph & Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naterosenthal Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 This has been a great thread to read, as I too have a 13.5 week old (bday Nov 30, 2008) pup named Gus. He's going through some of the same issues that Nate is (my name is actually Nate). Gus is in a puppy class, and for the first class and a half he absolutely refused to come out from under the folding chairs. No amount of chicken, liver, salmon would get him out. Halfway through his second class he started to listen to me and the instructor and would venture out every once in a while. At this point he still hadn't been on a walk, and had been in our house only meeting people not other dogs. By the third class (yesterday) he was WAY more confident. He is still SUPER-submissive (rolls on his back, always coming from below the other dogs - even TINY little pups - laying down, etc.), but we're happy that he's become a participant in the class. He started walking up to other pups as well, but still in a very submissive way. He's great at learning commands (knows sit, down, stand, on his back, roll over, in his crate, outside, inside, stay, wait, jumps into a soft beer cooler on command - just for fun, starting to learn leave it). Advice for the below would be appreciated: He is one of the biggest offenders of jumping up on people and furniture with his front paws on a regular basis. No matter how much we ignore him when he's up and praise when he's down, he just keeps at it. I turn my back, he jumps on the back of my legs and nips at my pants - he sees me turning around as a game it seems. He also LOVES to mouth (which sometimes feels more like a bite with those sharp teeth) my hands, arms, and (when I sit with him on the ground - I can't help it I love to) my chin and face. We have been doing the "eh-eh", the stand up and leave the room and shut the door, the bitter apple (which he LOVES to lick), and none of it seems to make a huge difference. He does mouth a bit softer at times, but not always. Now that we are able to bring Gus on walks we use a harness. He is a big time puller (he was even when we tried using just the collar) - I can turn around back and forth for 30 minutes and he only gets about 2 steps in before he's off to running/pulling and I have to turn him the other way. He also just started doing kind of like Nate does where he stops and sits, and he sometimes starts whining or yelping a bit - perhaps due to cars/birds/etc now that I have read the previous posts. He also has started jumping up on me right after his "sitting episodes" once I get him going again (which I completely ignore). Do they usually grow at of these three things at a certain age if we keep working on it? Are we doing things wrong? Thanks! Nate and Gus Here's a photo of Gus from a couple weeks ago - he's so much bigger already, I really need to get some new photos! and here is a link to a youtube video from the same day - WOW he is so much bigger I hadn't even realized: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDog Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 onto the next problem...... Barking when tied up/penned Do i ignore or say no or what....... and no he doenst appear to be barkin AT anything just trying to get attention. Cheers, Joseph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms.DaisyDuke Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Do they usually grow at of these three things at a certain age if we keep working on it? Are we doing things wrong? WOW. Isn't Gus just the cutest thing in the world? Anyway, here is a link on a couple of the problems you are having....you'll have to teach him appropriate behaviours, they don't just grow out of them! http://www.arf.ab.ca/learn/trainingtips.shtml As for pulling, well, a puppy class would be a good place to start, then maybe obedience classes or a loose leash class. I'm one to talk though, my own dog pulls 75% of the time. She's got behavioural issues, so we have much bigger fish to fry than loose leash walking ATM. NateDog, check out that link...the part on crate training might help with the barking thing. If he's just barking for attention I would suggest ignoring him. Also look up NILIF (nothing in life is free). A google search will come up with some links. It talks about an extinction burst for attention barking, explaining that if you ignore it, it will get worse before it gets better, but if you stick to your guns, it does get better. Good luck guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninso Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Demand barking should be ignored. Any attention you give him (even including eye contact--as this lets him know he's gotten your attention) while he's barking for it will reinforce the barking and cause a problem that is way harder to solve! (I know this from experience, having recently had to solve this problem in a dog that I got as an adolescent after someone else had reinforced a demand barking habit). If you have him confined and he is barking, ignore him until he stops for several seconds, then praise and let him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDog Posted April 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Hey havent been online for a WHILE Nate is getting big but is pretty well behaved (apart from a snail bait incident that almost killed him and hurt my wallet ) but is haveing trouble with toilet training. The majority of the time he will poo outside but on occasion finds a corner, but wee-ing is the problem. theres no sign's at all, no sniffing, no familiar place or smell he will be walking then pee instantly (inside), even if he has just been outside, in which time he will have pee'd more than once, he still manages to pee inside. A trainer suggested a crate, so i have made one (cant afford to buy anything flash) its about 3ft x 3ft x 3ft with a hinged door, his water bowl, bed and a chew bone are inside and he has no problems getting in and out when asked. The first night i thought he had done well but apon further inspection he had pee'd ON his bed ??? but was otherwise fine for the night, 2nights ago he started crying/yapping about 15min after he had been put to bed, i ignored him as i did not want to encourage him (his pen is in the workshop btw, which is below my studio apartment) he made noise for between 1-2 hours before i managed to get some sleep..... last night the same again but he seemed to be louder :S now my neighbour is in a similar apartment ajoined to our complex, she's very nice but no doubt would have been annoyed by his 'noises' After he made noise for a good hour, i went down and took him out of his pen and put him in the corner with his bowl and bone, and went back to bed, he was quiet all night. when i went down in the morning he had pee'd in about 5 different places and done a small poo what should i do really..... Thanks again for help. Joseph & Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms.DaisyDuke Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Could he have a UTI? To pee that much would make me wonder. He should be able to go through the night without any accidents by now, so five would be concerning... I imagine he is crying because he is lonely. Is there any way you can bring the crate up into your living space so he doesn't feel so separated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpin Boots Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 It sounds like he has access to water all night, correct? Have you thought about pulling his water. I would take it away about an hour before bed, make sure to take him out one last time, and then no water until morning. Same thing with food, make sure his dinner is enough before bed time that he has the chance to go potty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDog Posted April 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Im not sure about the lonely thing..... I made an walled area for him last night, like he used to have. its much bigger than the crate, about the size of a small room around 9ft x 9ft, it has his couch in it (the spare in the workshop that he claimed) and some news paper on the floor (where he had pee's earlier lol) and i didnt hear a peep from him last night. Part of the deal with my partner for me to get him was that he remain an 'outside' dog because our apartment is very small and gets hairy enough with the kitty and my partners hair So he lives in the workshop, which is why i dont bring his crate up stairs, plus its not exactly small and smells like doggy I gave him water in his bowl last night and he doesnt appear to have pee'd anywhere :S confusion.... He will be going to get the snip shortly, will they check for a UTI by anychance or should i specify it..... also sometimes before bed he wont go poop, i take him out, walk around, let him sniff..... wait..... wait..... still wait.... nothing, he'l pee, sometimes more than once. but sometimes he just doesnt poo. so i put him to bed (im not staying up all night, tired enough as it is) sometimes he makes it through the night fine, sometimes he drops a few little squirelly stools like he is trying to hold it in...... i was thinking, would massaging his tummy help him 'process' it? cheers again Joseph & Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyd65 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Nate/Joe To be honest BC's are very active and shouldn't be the choice dog for apartment living. Your little guy needs lots of space to run. Also, your pup will poo when he's ready. I don't think a tummy massage is the answer. Just be careful as to what he's chewing on. Border Collies have very strong jaws and can turn chew toys and Nylabones apart quickly. My pup Layla chewed a small Nylabone is half at 12 weeks. I don't recommend these bones at all. My sister in laws BC had to have emergency surgery to remove a 1/2 nylon bone from her gut. I would make sure you take him to the same potty area each time so he can recognize his scent. Also he needs to be around other dogs. We take our BC to a Daycamp 2x a week and she loves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyd65 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Im not sure about the lonely thing..... I made an walled area for him last night, like he used to have. its much bigger than the crate, about the size of a small room around 9ft x 9ft, it has his couch in it (the spare in the workshop that he claimed) and some news paper on the floor (where he had pee's earlier lol) and i didnt hear a peep from him last night. Part of the deal with my partner for me to get him was that he remain an 'outside' dog because our apartment is very small and gets hairy enough with the kitty and my partners hair So he lives in the workshop, which is why i dont bring his crate up stairs, plus its not exactly small and smells like doggy I gave him water in his bowl last night and he doesnt appear to have pee'd anywhere :S confusion.... He will be going to get the snip shortly, will they check for a UTI by anychance or should i specify it..... also sometimes before bed he wont go poop, i take him out, walk around, let him sniff..... wait..... wait..... still wait.... nothing, he'l pee, sometimes more than once. but sometimes he just doesnt poo. so i put him to bed (im not staying up all night, tired enough as it is) sometimes he makes it through the night fine, sometimes he drops a few little squirelly stools like he is trying to hold it in...... i was thinking, would massaging his tummy help him 'process' it? cheers again Joseph & Nate Nate/Joe, This is where we take our BC for socialization a couple of times a week. I'm sure you have a place nearby. I would do a google search for Dog Daycare... She arrives at 8:00am, has breafast, rests, play sessions, lunch, rest, play sessions again. She is totally wiped out by the end of the day. Plus its great for the dogs attitude and self esteem... http://www.wagsworthmanor.com/html/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcburniefarm Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Just random wonderings on the poo questions... We noticed that when Pirate (now 9 months old) was training, he gravitated to my gardens...where the taller weeds, um flower stalks, brushed his tummy. This seemed to always either trigger his impulse to pee & poo, or the weedy place was less like his yard. He's very fastidious, no poo or pee in the middle, only on the edges of the fenceline, or down in the gully brushy areas still now. So leads me to wonder if having a nice yard and not a brushy good poo place might be going against their clean instincts? Pirate also needs a good run for a minute or two before he settles down to "business" and we always tell him he's a good boy for "going pee" or "going poop" or "going potty", just like we did the kids I think he knows the words now for sure. I can send him out to "go potty" right before bed time and he's off running and back in a few minutes for "bedtime". I've got a mine field by the old junk truck...I think every dog that comes to the stable goes there.....is there some territorial thing about common poop areas even among happy playmate dogs?? He hasn't had any real mistakes or accidents in a few months now, no food after our dinner time but water is available. He'll whine at 630 am and we jump up with a "good boy! let's go out and go potty!" Once in a great while we wake to a surprise, when WE gave him scraps or forgot the bedtime outing, not his fault except that he didn't TELL ME, but HE is mortified, I can barely manage to even scowl at him he looks so pathetic.... FWIW his mistakes always happen on or around my 6yo daughters stuffed toys....anyone care to psychoanalyze that one? UTI? No I don't think vets check for that unless you specify it. If it's a possibility don't wait, take him in now and get a sample checked. If you've ever had one, you know, they burn like hell and those are some tender, ahem, parts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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