skyler08 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 The other day we had Piper and Skyler out playing and swimming with my fiances mother and father and their Golden Retriever. Everything was going great for probably 2 hrs. They were off lead and staying right with everyone running and playing. Next thing we know Skyler and Piper run off. We get to the top of the hill and look down in the pasture and see them both herding cattle. We were terrified. First the cattle could hurt the dogs, the dogs could hurt the cattle and lastly the farmer may shoot. We definitely learned our lesson that day. Now that they are fine, I must say it was really amazing seeing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudpups Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Roh-Roh naughty dogs. I'm glad they are safe though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurae Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 You are lucky. Last year, a friend's pup got in with the cattle when he was just a few months old and lost an eye when he got kicked. I'm glad you were able to retrieve your pups without any damage to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyler08 Posted July 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Thanks guys. Skyler stayed back a little farther and she came after a few minutes of calling her. Piper on the other hand got a little closer and we had to go get her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdarling Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I go hiking quite often with a friend of mine on the BLM land out here. We have to be careful to make sure we can see our dogs at all times. If we need to go over a hill, we make them stay with us until we get to the top and can see over the other side because of all the cattle that are out and about. A lot of times we can tell if it was recently grazed ... Glad all turned out alright for you. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 One other thing- these look like dairy bulls. ALWAYS keep your dogs out of cow pastures, and don't you go in. There is usually a bull in there, and you don't want to meet up with one. As a kid one time- a young one- maybe 8-10? I went into a cow pasture, and got run out by the bull. It isn't something I would ever repeat. Fences will be gone through if you tick them off enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyler08 Posted July 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 If that's the case, it may have been the almost all black one to the far right. When they were all in a circle, he/she was standing out in front of the herd. I don't know if the cows had just recently came out there because we were playing there for 2 hrs. I know the pups were up on the hill before then. Maybe they just didn't see them earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Okay, not to be a smart aleck or anything, but if you were terrified, why were you taking photos instead of beating feet down there to get your dogs back? Cattle that haven't been worked by dogs are very curious about them, which is probably why the cattle were grouped up looking at your dogs. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workindogs Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Julie You took the words right out of my mouth. It certainly doesn't seem like the OP was in too much of a hurry to rescue the dogs....perhaps several pics later. Maybe the herding occured outside of the photos....but from what's shown, I don't see any herding going on...just a curious dog and some curious cattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyler08 Posted July 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 My fiance was getting down there as I snapped a few photos. As far as herding, like I said, I've never really seen dogs in action herding, so to me it looked like herding. Sorry for being a novice and calling it herding when it wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRhodes Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Hehe, what Julie said. Cattle are pretty curious critters and many will come investigate a dog if they've not had any previous experience with them. Looks like a group of nosy Holstein heifers. Very scary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afrancis Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 My fiance was getting down there as I snapped a few photos. As far as herding, like I said, I've never really seen dogs in action herding, so to me it looked like herding. Sorry for being a novice and calling it herding when it wasn't. Skyler08, Join the novice-club Quite regularly my dog Skye used to get called an "amazing herder" because she would put herself in between two dogs who were playing and vociferously tell them to stop. I posted about that here when I first joined and asked if it was a bc trait. I was told that she was just being annoying So now I tell people when she lapses and does this that she is *not* herding but being *bossy*. My bad. Glad your buddies are ok after their *stock* experience. Ailsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SincereArtisan Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Uhm, weren't your dogs just neutered/spayed a few days ago???? I don't think this sort of off-leash activity falls under the typical 'keep them quiet, no baths, no stairs, short leash walks only for 10 days until sutures are removed' protocol that follows surgery.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinning.girl Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 The other day I am assuming that means that it was before the Spays. besides, my Shelby was up and going 2 days after the surgery. people are to quick to judge around here sometimes huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SincereArtisan Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Yes, but your dog was not swimming after surgery, I'm sure. Just concerned, is all. 'The other day' didn't give any specific time frame, and this post is dated after the surgery one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 I am assuming that means that it was before the Spays. besides, my Shelby was up and going 2 days after the surgery. people are to quick to judge around here sometimes huh? Um, just because you allowed your Shelby to be "up and going" two days after her surgery doesn't mean it was the right thing to do, does it? I'd also assume that just because she was up and going doesn't mean you just let her run wild and play like she hadn't just had major surgery. I just had a male dog neutered. He ended up with four incisions (he was cryptorchid). I kept him on crate rest for the first week, and leash walks for the second week. He didn't go back to work (and then it was light work) until the full 14 days had passed. I'm generally NOT a stickler for waiting the full 14 days, but given the number of incisions, I decided better safe than sorry. There's no way I would have allowed him to run loose or get in the water or run after stock even a week after the surgery. I have a friend who just had two barn cats neutered. They were told to keep the cat crated for two weeks. The male was pitching a fit, so they ended up letting him out after four days. After consulting with the vet to find out the minimum amount of time needed for healing, they have decided to keep the female confined for 8 days. The recovery times the vet gives clients is based on actual experience and not just some number pulled out of a hat to inconvenience the owner after all. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinning.girl Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 sure that didn't mean that she was swimming and running around. and I understand the concern, but I don't understand the haste to criticize and assume things about people that you have never meet. of course you know what they say when you assume... you make and @$$ out of you and me and of course I limited my dogs activity to a minimal amount. I am not an idiot, nor am I going to jeopardize my dear little one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 If an assumption is a valid one based on what the poster has written, is someone jumping to conclusions or just being concerned for another animal's welfare? Perhaps better communication is the issue, not rash judgement. Julie, as always, makes very good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyler08 Posted August 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Sorry for the confusion. It was the day before they went in to get spayed. SincereArtisan: wow, I'm not a complete moron, seriously. afrancis: Thanks, glad to be part of the club grinning girl: Thanks for stating the logical. And they are being crated as much as possible because they are way to active trying to play. Trust me, I'm following all the vets orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyler08 Posted August 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Sue R: That's true also, SincereArtisan was probably just concerned for our pups safety. I know there are probably people out there that would let their animals run amuck after spay/neuter and put them in unsafe situations all the time. I'm definitely not one of those people. This whole cattle episode was a silly mistake we made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 After my girl Nikke got spayed, I was keeping her quiet; at least attempting to. She ended up jumping off the low side of the deck. She was okay, but the minute she landed, you could see that it was a bad idea. After that she was much quieter- she was fine, btw. What I am getting at is even though we work hard at heeding vet's instructions, our dogs sometimes do things we don't want them to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SincereArtisan Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Thats all I was--concerned. There was no clarification, and with the post dated several days after surgery. How could I know? I don't recall implying anyone was a moron. It wouldn't have surprised me, is the sad thing. We've had pets back at the clinic right after surgery for all SORTS of reasons, thanks to the owners... (The best was this guy who refused to put and Ecollar on his dog and restrict his activity after a major ACL surgery. The dog wound up boarding with us for 8 weeks so he could recover properly!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 but I don't understand the haste to criticize and assume things about people that you have never meet. I get that. But didn't you do the exact same "rush to judgment and criticize thing" in your reply to SA? Personally I think it's better to go ahead and state one's concerns in hopes that others reading the thread, who might not know better, will learn something, than worry overmuch about whether I'm assuming too much. Just my opinion of course. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinKate Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Since as usual, Julie said what I was thinking, I will just chime in real quick. As a livestock owner who has had to have an animal put down due to stray dogs, I am appauled and floored by your actions. You don't pick up your camara, you pick up your whistle, your leash, treat bag, toy anything BUT the camara. If I had owned that herd and seen you up there photographing your dogs harrassing my stock, not only would I have shot your dogs, but I would have seen you in court, with your photos. Your actions did not portray you being opposed to your dogs being in there. Bad judgement on your part. Here in FL, there is a story all over the local news about two dogs that got into the neighbors cattle. (husky mixes) Both owners saw the the action ASAP and responded. Both dogs were shot right infront of the owner because he could not call them off. Couldn't get a handle on either dog. Bad enough to get shot, but image it being done as you are trying to catch your dog? SEVEN calves lost portions of their tails before the dogs were shot. I am however glad the dogs came away unharmed. I don't really think it was their fault. Think before you act, or don't act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nancy in AZ Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 the typical 'keep them quiet, no baths, no stairs, short leash walks only for 10 days until sutures are removed' protocol that follows surgery.... Advance apologies for hijacking... but, Jill was spayed last Fri with dissolving sutures by a mobile vet unit. The written instructions called for limiting her activity for 5 days! That seems way to brief for me after major surgery. So even though she's rarin' to go, I've been continuing to crate her and limit her activity (well, the truth of the matter is my back is messed up so I've been limiting my own activities as well, for the present). I wondered if age has anything to do with it, that perhaps younger dogs bounce back or heal faster? Should I go the full 10 days before I allow her to resume? The incision is looking great, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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