Tea Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Ok, here is another one from Tea. Pete and I were at my brother's wedding on sat. On Horseback in kilts I might add which was the request of the bride and groom. Kinda funny as my husband is Japanes American and I am mixed blood! (I wore an earasaid.) The Celtic singers were great. I do not like haggis, never want to have it again. But I like Guiness. Oh Well! My brothers best man was sitting next to us during dinner, on the same straw bale and brought up the subject to me that border collies do not work cattle. He had an Australian shepherd? ( That is a breed of dog right?) I said that, no, border collies work cattle all over this country every day and there are lines that are bred just to work cattle and they do it great! I also mentioned the McNabs. Hum, he said, Nope I was wrong if you want to work cattle you have to get an austrailian shepherd they can throw a bull on the ground. (I wondered about this because any bull that needs to be periodically thrown on the ground might be better off being sausage.) I said he could come over to our house and I would show him my dogs. And he could watch them work the nieghbors cows, and our sheep and goats. But he couldn't come. He had to go. His wife was tired. I said, but you can show me how you work your dog on stock? (His dog was with him.) He then said, No I have no stock. This is a vauluable show dog. What is with this? Are people getting dim in this country that makes them say things like this? I don't get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seelie Fey Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Theory 1.) He is one of those people that gets a little fiesty with the guiness. Theory 2.) Like of us, his dog is the bestest dog ever. Theory 3.) He was just trying to draw you into a conversation by rattling your cage. (And I agree with the sausage theory.) (And the only purebred show Aussie I know is afraid of stock.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTrain Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Hi Tea, some people are getting dim everywhere and fading fast. I have a BC who was bred from a long line of stock dogs in Canada. He and his entire family are living proof that BC's work cattle and do a very good job of it. He is wrong, southern Alberta alone is BC cattle dog heaven along with Montana, Wyoming etc. I have never seen an Ausie throw a bull, I am not sure I would like to. I have seen BC's work bulls, I have done it. I have always gone to some length to keep my dogs from throwing bulls or getting stomped to death. He has a show stock dog. I don't know where he got the idea about the bull throwing thing but it is bull. I have run into a number of people in the new area where we live that seem to think Ausies are some sort of Superdog. Ausies outnumber BC's in my area about 20 to 1. It has even been suggested that I should get rid of my BC's and get Ausies because they are much better. I sometimes depending on my mood do not hesitate to inform people when they are dim and fading. Enjoy your BC's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Beer Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 . . . any bull that needs to be periodically thrown on the ground might be better off being sausage. I love it!! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sluj Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 ^^^agreed. Also, here are some pictures I took at a cattle dog trial last year. Lots of border collies, a few kelpies, perhaps a McNabb or two. Not an Aussie in sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyler Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Eh, people are just people. If you havent noticed, Jerry Springer is still on the air after all of these years and doesnt seem to have a shortage of guests. Most people just repeat what they hear and take it as fact. Folks like that I may correct, but if they persist I just let them live in their beliefs - its cool. Stuff like that used to bother me but after all these years of marriage being and proving your right (even when you are) doesnt bother me anymore...LOL. Yes dear, youre always right My late BC, Skyler, came from parents that worked cattle daily - I watched them do it. Besides, I grew up around it so it never seemed out of place to me. Gotta be tough dogs to work cattle though...and quick not to get stepped (rather stomped) on. Ive never formally worked stock myself but watching my great uncle do it on the farm down the road as a kid was something to be seen. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK dog doc Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Well, if he doesn't have time to go see your dog work, and his wife is too tired, maybe you can direct him to the website for the National cattle dog finals (where my BORDER COLLIE Raven's BORDER COLLIE father won last year), and/or email him one of the threads here that show photos of BCs working cattle. You know, if you really want to tweak him a little (and I admit that if it were me, the degree of temptation I felt would be based on the degree of insufferable he was.) Or you can entertain yourself instead by speculating that while that needs-to-be-thrown bull is being made into sausage, maybe they can use the best man for head cheese, since that seems to be what his brain is made of..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tea Posted June 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Thanks guys, you are all very funny! and Kind. I guess I am a bit sensitive as I have been meeting some strange people lately. I am going to send him one of the links just because I think it is good that he knows what is really happening. I know we all think our own dog is the best. And I don't have a problem with that. But this thing he was talking about wasn't that he loved his dog and it was his hero. It felt more like. Why are you running these little funny dogs (Gunny and Cap) when you could be running a dog like mine. I love little Gunny and Cap and they work hard every day and it makes my life much easier because they do. They certainlly are not perfect, they are just dogs. Gunny likes the feel of wool between her teeth and Cap has a thing for rabbits that drives all thoughts of sheep out of his head when he sees one. Hawks follow him. But we are partners. And I remeber the dogs I saw when I was young. And they were border collies and the McNabs. And they were great at cattle. But the dog thing is weird its weirder than the horse thing. (He started talking about horses too!) Maybe I am dim but I had never even heard of those types of dogs. Pete and I met some visitors the other day with a kind of dog that was very interesting. Couldn't say what they did. Doodle, could that be the name of the breed? Man! I must be living in the stone age! But anyway I'll let you know about what he thinks of the links. Thanks for the links by the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTrain Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Thanks Tea for informing him and perhaps turning on his lights. Thanks for promoting the great border collie. My dogs are the greatest in the world and so are yours and everyone else. When I take my dog to a trials and he does not win somebody else can claim they have a better dog but I can still claim I have the greatest dog. When I take my dogs to work I can claim that my experience with them is the greatest in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSnappy Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Maybe I am dim but I had never even heard of those types of dogs. Pete and I met some visitors the other day with a kind of dog that was very interesting. Couldn't say what they did. Doodle, could that be the name of the breed? Doodles aren't a breed, it's a generic term for a breed crossed with a poodle - LABradoodle, GOLDENdoodle etc. As for the dude with the Aussie, I don't really get why you are so bent out of shape about it. Is the first time in your experience that someone has told you something that is inaccurate? People say stupid stuff all the time, especially beer drinking people at social functions! Sometimes it's interesting in a funny way, but it's not exactly a surprise that a guy with an Aussie thinks Aussies are better than border collies. I don't really get what you're going to prove to him by demonstrating that BCs can work cattle. He doesn't work stock with his "show dog" and he doesn't really care - he's just repeating some nonsense he heard somewhere about Aussies and cattle, but it ultimately does not matter in his life one tiny bit. I don't get spending that kind of energy just to prove you're right. And I doubt he does either. If I were that guy, and you followed up on a completely innocuous conversation like that - and he probably forgot about it 5 seconds after it was done - I'd be thinking "Holy crow, crazy lady, let it go." Ummm ... yeah. Maybe let it go. All BC people know BCs are the best. We don't care what those Aussie people think ;-) RDM, bridging the BC-Aussie gap with her neurosis called "Tweed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLloydJones Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Hum, he said, Nope I was wrong if you want to work cattle you have to get an austrailian shepherd they can throw a bull on the ground. For some totally inexplicable reason, that conjured up an image of a charolais bull (from many, many moons back -- he was huge, but gentle as a lamb) and yes, you're right, a bull that needs to be thrown on the ground is ready to be sausage meat. Thanks for making me smile and bringing back pleasant memories of a far off place and long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenajo Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 ok, funny topic, but I have never heard of beef sausage. Does this exist? We make burger out of bulls who need that. As for turning on the lights with some people...do be careful. Some things are so bad they are best left in the dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaderBug Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 ok, funny topic, but I have never heard of beef sausage. Does this exist? We make burger out of bulls who need that. I've been thinking this throughout this entire thread!! I'm very involved in the swine industry- bulls definately do not make sausage. That's what old sows are for- tasty tasty sausage Not to mention I think the only thing that is going to throw a bull to the ground is A ) one or two other bulls (I've seen it done!!), or B ) a tranquilizer- 2000+ lbs bull > 50ish lbs dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyler Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Ummmm, I dont think bulls in particular are sought for sausage but they do make beef sausage for certain. Almost all summer sausage is made of beef! Just for everyone's pure viewing pleasure: Perhaps you should have said that a bull who can be thrown to the ground by an Aussie needs to be used for a bully sticks Course, a bull that could be thrown to the ground by an Aussie probably would make a small bully stick come to think of it.... Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnewe2 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 OUR BEEK SAUSAGE ARE MADE USING LEAN BEEF AND OUR UNIQUE SEASINING (THEY ARE DELICIOUS Now we're on a total different topic! Sausage made from beeks....haven't tried that one yet. Maybe that's the bull the guy's dog could throw on the ground! And the Seasining sounds quite unique! You should of had 1 or 2 more Guiness and rolled him on the ground! OK...sorry couldn't resist! Yes some peoples lights need to stay dim! K~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Bull meat goes into a number of luncheon/prepared meats. They don't call them "bologna bulls" for nothing when adult, ex-breeding bulls go to auction. Summer sausage is, of course, one of the best known sausage products using beef. We make all our homemade sausage out of beef - it's what we have. Italian, kielbassi, breakfast, etc. Sausage - it's not just for pigs anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip's Mum Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Sausage - it's not just for pigs anymore. Oh, Sue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSmitty Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Now we're on a total different topic! Sausage made from beeks....haven't tried that one yet. Maybe that's the bull the guy's dog could throw on the ground! And the Seasining sounds quite unique! Hey, the only sausage I'll eat is chicken sausage. I'm not so sure it doesn't contain beek. Oh, I mean beak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyler Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Yeah, Im not exactly sure what the deal is with all of the spelling errors in that photo but it served its purpose I suppose. "Sausage" isnt pluralized or "are" should be "is", "beeks" instead of "beef", "seasining" should be "seasoning" and "the" should be "they." Not sure I would buy sausage from those folks...LOL. If they cant ensure their website contains less spelling errors than are in that pic I wouldnt trust their food products. I thought the astro turf background was a nice touch too. Perhaps a plate is in order?...LOL I dont know. Perhaps this is what they sell It would take an aussie to herd that though Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tea Posted June 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 You guys are pretty funny! My family will make sausage out of ANYTHING!!!!! Including tourists and Doodles! Great pics!!!! Thxs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaBluez Tess Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Here are a couple of pixs of my *sheepdog* working cattle....oops, I meant *cattledog *working cattle...well, no I really meant to say *Border Collie* working cattle. I get the "Aussie is much better than the Border Colie" all the time when I go to the ASCA trials....I just smile when I take all the awards home (except for the one for only Aussies) Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTrain Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Am I missing something here like a rift between BC and Aussie owners or associations or something. I come from the west and very seldom saw an Aussie, never saw one at a trials. I move to the east and find lots of them, very few BC's in my area. I joined a group of people who were taking classes with their dogs, not one BC and I had the only trained dog in the group. The trainer would have the owner go out with the dog on a leash and walk around behind the cows. When it was my turn I would just send my dog on an outrun and ask for a fetch, then I would do a drive etc. The group kept talking about how they were preparing to enter cattle trials with their dogs. I quit the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 I don't get ANY of the rifts. A good sheepdog is a good sheepdog. We all want calm movement of the stock from point a to point b. We all want dogs who can handle myriad of situations when they arise. We all want our dogs to make livestock tending/herding easier. It doesn't matter what the breed. I have seen God awful examples of EVERY breed. I really detest generalizations. I have grown a thicker skin, because I run a Kelpie. Kelpies don't have natural outruns, Kelpies can't do long outruns, Kelpies have no eye, Kelpies are this, Kelpies are that. I say, let's just watch the dogs work, and then make our assessments. Same with Aussies. Aussies simply are not challenged enough. Yeah, maybe they have for the most part lost their working ability, but there are still some out there that DO work, and WELL. In training, sometimes the Peter Principle comes into effect- for Aussies, I would say I see that a lot. Work your dog, if it has good instinct, and upon some good training, it is useful- that's all we can ask for. If you set your dog up to only succeed, you never challenging it, then you will never get better. You will be a big fish in a very small pond. The day we stop striving for better work from our dogs, is the day we should just quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 The rifts are all about ego, nothing more. And it relates to the "dog wars" as well. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTrain Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Thanks Julie, you are right. My dogs have no ego that I am aware of. They just want to work and I just want to work with him. I have a little ego on there behalf but I would rather use it to praise them. If I could train a seal to work stock and geese I would enjoy that to. I don't care what the dog is but I will defend my BC's against uninformed people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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