MyTDogs Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Okay well then he has demodex...you don't see "mites" in the scraping if there is a fungal infection. Did they give you anything to treat the demodex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkerdexter Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 They gave me Advantage Multi (imidacloprid+moxidectin) topical every 2 weeks to start with. If that doesn't work he recommended that I see a dermatologist. He mentioned ivermectin but didn't really want to use that unless it was last resort because of the problems collies have with it. He also mentioned the dip Amitraz...but he didn't think anyone used that anymore. I will definitely be going back at the end of the Advantage Multi period to have another scrape done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 How old is he? I ask as Amitraz is what's in the PrevenTick collars. And is he an only dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkerdexter Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 He is 7 month and we also have a 7yr old bc/lab mix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTDogs Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Good, Advantage Multi is definitely they way to go...easy & does a good job. This vet might be a keeper I wouldn't sweat the fungal culture too much...demodex is probably the only issue & miconazole doesn't treat it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkerdexter Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I was extremely happy with everything we talked about. He also told me it may take a long while to get completely rid of it. The entire staff was very friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 MyTDogs, I am curious why the derm vets you know don't like to use lufenuron as a treatment. The protocol is well known, accepted as very safe and was taught to me by several derms. I've used it before and have been very happy with how well it worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTDogs Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 MyTDogs, I am curious why the derm vets you know don't like to use lufenuron as a treatment. The protocol is well known, accepted as very safe and was taught to me by several derms. I've used it before and have been very happy with how well it worked. Â I will check tomorrow Liz (I am the head tech/office manager there) to get specific references. I think it has something to do with a study showing that it didn't work. They are sticklers for actual studies & rarely believe anecdotal evidence, absent legit studies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkerdexter Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I just wanted to say thank you to all of you. You were all extremely helpful :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickif Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 When my 7 year old was your pups age he got demodex around his eye, though not as bad as yours is. I mixed a few drops of neem oil with some almond oil and applied it about 3 times a day. It cleared and never came back. This might help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTDogs Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 When my 7 year old was your pups age he got demodex around his eye, though not as bad as yours is. I mixed a few drops of neem oil with some almond oil and applied it about 3 times a day. It cleared and never came back. This might help you. Â Localized demodex (found in just one spot) is not uncommon in growing pups. It usually clears all on its own with out any treatment. So while your neem/almond oil may have helped it go away, it is more likely it would've cleared on its own without any intervention. Â Generalized demodex (spots on multiple sites- this pup has a spot on his leg too I believe) is not as likely to clear on its own and get very bad. So in a pup like this treatment would be advised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnewe2 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Cindy Does Demodex drive them crazy with itching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTDogs Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Cindy Does Demodex drive them crazy with itching? Â Not necessarily. Sometimes the worst is when we start treatment on a really bad case & as the mites die the dogs get really itchy. Presumably because the drug attacks the nervous system of the mite and they get more active before they die. Â In general it just depends on the individual dog's tolerance for that sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeri Jessee Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Dexter is such a cutie and I hope he has a speedy recovery! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkerdexter Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Thank you ShesMaggie. I hope he recovers fast too....he looks so funny right now. Â Dexter has had absolutely no itching that I have seen....he is as active as ever and sleeps very well. Â Cindy... I am thinking it is not recommended to get him neutered until this passes correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Not Cindy, but I wouldn't think of neutering him until his growth plates are closed, demodex aside, it's too soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTDogs Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Cindy... I am thinking it is not recommended to get him neutered until this passes correct? Â I don't know all of your circumstances but I will say that I tend to wait as long as I can to alter. Some studies have suggested that the hormonal release during puberty has an important effect on the formation of joints. Waiting until growth plates are closed, especially for those who plan on athletic activities with their dogs, seems to be more & more common. Â Depending on the severity of Dexter's demodex, he may be more susceptible to relapses during times of "stress". Anesthetic procedures are stressful & so sometimes we see a relapse. Â HTH, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTDogs Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 MyTDogs, I am curious why the derm vets you know don't like to use lufenuron as a treatment. The protocol is well known, accepted as very safe and was taught to me by several derms. I've used it before and have been very happy with how well it worked.  Okay Liz,  I spoke to one of the derms today & she said that the original case study showing that lufenuron was effective (circa 2000) was poorly designed, no controls, etc... in 2004, 2 of her colleagues - Doug DeBoer & Karen Moriello did a carefully designed study (actually funded by Novartis) that showed that Program was not effective for preventing or curing dermatophytosis.  here is the abstract  Here is a link to a paragraph about Lufenuron for Dermatophytosis. It is written by Dr. Moriello.  HTH, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkerdexter Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Update on Dexter after 3 treatments of advantage.. Just gave the third one... The hair in the spots affected is growing back. Yay! Woot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTDogs Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Update on Dexter after 3 treatments of advantage.. Just gave the third one... The hair in the spots affected is growing back. Yay! Woot!  That is great news  If he has concurrent skin infections (common with demodex) it will help to have him on antibiotics & frequent baths with benzoyl peroxide shampoo.  Please post pix when you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkerdexter Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Finally able to post pictures...I think this is about 2 weeks ago. Much better looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTDogs Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Yes! Much better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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