PSmitty Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 A rescuer on the other board posted this cutie's picture, and I told her I'd ask over here. Obviously, I see a lot of smooth border collie, what do you guys think? And if you think mix, what are some ideas? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSnappy Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Antelope? Is this dog pregnant? If not, then I'd have to say mix because that torso is like no BC I have ever seen. I couldn't begin to guess, though. RDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSmitty Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 RDM, I meant to ask if she was preggo, since I was wondering about that belly. I forgot to ask, but I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat's Dogs Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I was going to say the same thing. That is a big belly. Is it a puppy? The hind legs seem much longer than the front (growing puppy thing...) The first picture I was ready to say "looks BC to me!" but then the seconded picture. I don't have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerman Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Stubby tail cattle dog and smooth border collie is my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 MINE! She looks mostly BC to me. Maybe she is docked because she is a ranch dog special (mostly BC with maybe some cattle dog thrown in). How old is she? She does look either wormy or preggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sea4th Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Looks mostly BC to me, but the ear set reminds me of a basenji or Ibizan hound. I'm also wondering how old. If she's pregnant, then she's got to be at least 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKB Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I was thinking basenji too- she's so stocky though. This is probably really dumb- but if her tail is naturally stubby maybe she's part schipperke? They are a little stocky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSnappy Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 maybe she's part schipperke? They are a little stocky. That's a joke, right? Paula, do you know what area she is from? The more I look at her, the less like a BC she looks to me, though again - I've been wrong before! But I have noticed that there are a lot of what appear to be Pharoah Hound and Ibizan Hound mixes in particular areas of California. I was surprised to learn it's not uncommon to cross them with bullies (?). Those ears though! Though this dog, again, unless she is pregnant, does not have the torso of a sighthound, or a lurcher. RDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSmitty Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 RDM, I'll ask, but her rescuer lives in Indiana, so it's the midwest somewhere. Christina thinks she's around 7 months old. She's hoping she's not pregnant (but I told her it's a possibility), just wormy. She was dewormed last night. What else? Still a pup but has her adult teeth. I think she's really cute, except for that big belly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 This is a purebred BC I used to own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 What struck me was the lack of muscling in hind quarters, and she seems overall weak in the back end- and just a weird build in the back end. She may have had poor nutrition as a young pup, and that is what results. Other than that anomalie, she looks like a BC- sort of ! Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKB Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Hey RDM- I issued a dumb disclaimer- . No, I've known one pure schipperke who was not especially stocky and one mix, who had a very odd shape. She's cute whatever she is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSmitty Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Oh, Liz, how beautiful! I'm glad you posted those, since I noticed the rescue puppy doesn't have a white ruff, and I wondered...but I see yours didn't either. I showed her this picture of a previous rescue. The first shot reminds me of Ranger's profile. ETA: I totally agree there is something off with her torso/hind end. By off, I mean doesn't look BCish. Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSnappy Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Liz, I know BCs come in red smooth coat - that's not the reason the dog doesn't look BC to *me* anyway. What looks wrong to me is the shape of the torso (and even for a wormy dog, its extreme), the shallow chest, the complete absence of tuck; also the relatively roman nose (not a lot of stop going on there). And even for a smooth coat, that dog is really smooth, doesn't even appear to have an ruff whatsoever. Mind you, if she is a pup that could explain it. I also agree with Julie that the hind end is quite strange indeed. I think we all know this is all pure speculation, as border collies can look like a lot of things, but I'm put in mind of something Rebecca said once - to paraphrase, it's something like "I don't know what it is, but I know what it isn't." More than a few things look a little off about that dog, to me. Kinda like Boy. That's not to say that if a local shelter sent me a picture I wouldn't pull her as a BC. And maybe once I had her in person I'd see she was. But just from the photos, which are all I have, the dog don't look right AKB - I was just teasing you. But schipperkes (a breed I personally loathe) are toy dogs with small ears and short necks, with a double coat who, I believe, only come in black. RDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Yeah, my smooth coat red BC had almost no white on her. People who didn't know BCs insisted she was a Lab x Husky. Wormy puppies tend to have atrophied looking muscles and weird growth patterns. She does kind of remind me of some Border x Staffie mixes I have met. But why the bobbed tail? That is why I am guess at a farm dog special, mostly BC with some Cattle Dog in there. Maybe she is a little younger than 7 months and just in the middle of an awkward growth spurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSmitty Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 She is from Indianapolis Animal Control. Christina was going to pull a border collie there yesterday, and this little girl was on the PTS list. She couldn't leave her there, so she was pulled also. AC had her listed as a pit bull, BTW. That I don't see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSnappy Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Wormy puppies tend to have atrophied looking muscles and weird growth patterns. So do Tweeds!! First he grew lengthwise, to the degree where I was starting to worry he was a corgi. Then when he reached full length, he deigned to grow up ... hind end first. You could've skied down his ass and right off the top of his head. A friend of my said he looked like "a Disney rat." Eventually his front end caught up with him and he is quite proportionate, though Uncle RDF calls him a "pin head" - his coat grows straight out from his body and is neither long nor short, giving him the appearance of being a very stocky dog with a teeny little head. Poor Tweed. RDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbear Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Wick is going to be VERY upset that I am posting such an unflattering photo of her. This was taken somewhere en route to her eventual foster home with RDM. I think she is a day away from whelping out 11 pups: It didn't take her long to get her figure back though! Now she has the teeniest waist, and no sign of those unsightly boobs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSnappy Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I think she is a day away from whelping out 11 pups: Yeah, that was super fun. Not. RDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbear Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Yeah, that was super fun. Not. LOL! Remember that time you thought she went hamster on the pups?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 She is from Indianapolis Animal Control. Christina was going to pull a border collie there yesterday, and this little girl was on the PTS list. She couldn't leave her there, so she was pulled also. AC had her listed as a pit bull, BTW. That I don't see! I think I see some of this though. Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSnappy Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 LOL! Remember that time you thought she went hamster on the pups?!? Yeah! Even MORE fun. Super not!!! It's a good thing I love Wick, because she sure took ten years or so off my life!! RDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carson Crazies Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Bull terrier is what keeps flitting around in my mind. Not purely, but some of it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 FWIW, the dog's head shape looks very much like Twist's dam's head, right down to the giant prick ears. But that head does look like it has been attached to some alien body. And that looks like a preggers belly to me. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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