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  1. sorry I know this is a lot. I recently acquired a new border collie (March 26, 2021). I was talking to a working border collie breeder about their future breeding plans and they ended up mentioning another breeder who had a red sable adolescent border collie available since I’ve always had a slight crush on red sable border collies. I was slightly worried about a working breeder having a red sable since color breeders however the breeder mention this was the 4th time doing this cross and they really like the temperament that the cross produce. (The original breeder I had talk to had a pup from the same cross but from a different year and had really liked him. They wished they had kept him instead of rehoming him. They were getting another puppy from the same cross.) The dog I was looking at was 1 year old. No training. Only inside at nighttime in the kennel. Else he was in the dog yard. He was supposed to go to another country to a person who own a sister from a different year but Covid hit and they couldn’t ship him. The person ended up switching to a younger pup which is why he became available. He had exposure to goats as a puppy and had interest but hadn’t seen livestock since. He did have multiple sibling who were working. His parents seem to casually worked on their farm. No videos. Ive been getting more into herding. Been going to a trainer since October 2020 about once a month and finally recently found a place near me that was willing to rent sheep to me so we can get more training in. Cressa has since passed and was past her ability to do herding again when I started in October. Valek is turning 9 this year but I have been mainly working with him. When I got my new boy I told the breeder what I was looking for and that I wanted to do herding and disc. I really like many aspect of my boy. He is adorable. He has a wonderful happy personality and loves being in my pack. He is intelligent but also has many moments of not the brightest bulb in the box. But he also has a couple things that really are bothering me. One main issue is Ive never had a yard dog before or an adult with 0 training. He has been squirrelly since the day I brought him home. He acts likes whatever you are asking him will kill him so must balk at doing it and resist. He also will immediately pee on something, and also pees when he gets stressed/excited/nervous. You are able to convince him eventually. He has gotten better… but will revert right back when something changes or is new. Is this something that does get better like will he at one point just be able to handle changes or is this just who he is? I bring my dogs most places with me (hotels, cafe, hikes, dog friendly stores, training centers, vacations, homes, etc…). I currently am using belly bands when inside at new places but don’t want that to be the only solution. The breeder mention he had no noise sensitivity but when he had his 1st thunderstorm here he half jumped out of his skin and was ready to bolt at a moments notice. He was able to settle down when he saw no one else bolting but when another boom happen he was again ready to bolt and only settled when no one else bolted… rise and repeat. It’s not a make or break issue but was hoping not to have to deal with it. The other main issue is I wanted to do herding with him. I was hoping to learn more. I was hoping we could eventually compete. I brought him to sheep 2 weeks ago. He saw them and ran the opposite direction scared. The next week he saw sheep he didn’t run scare but he was acting like he was playing and not herding at all. His breeder mention they can be slow maturer but reiterated that he did have interest in goats as a 7-8 week old puppy. The breeder that originally referred me mention he just needs more exposure and hopefully he will turn serious. Another person who saw the video mention to just rehome him since he isn’t a good choice for herding. Is that behavior typical for an almost 1.5 year old border collie? I was going to see how he responded again in a couple weeks. But am unsure if he is a good option if I did want to get more into herding. (He does come from cow lines so maybe they mature different then the one bred for sheep?) I had been originally planning if I didn’t get a pup to look at possibly an older already trained dog getting retired or something. *He loves disc! But I’m not interested in doing just disc with my border collies. Just looking for input if you have been there before either with yard dogs or if your border collies first couple exposure to sheep were not what you expected.
  2. Hi my name is Janel I am looking for some where near Pensacola where we can take our border collie to begin herding training
  3. how many borders out there have double hind dewclaws? Parkers are attached by the bone, I was told it meant great herding lines...he doesn't herd though. the never get tangled or caught on anything.
  4. Hi I need some advice regarding my 6.5 month old collie please. He's been doing so well and I can walk with him off lead almost anywhere, he is very responsive so I can't fault him there. The issue I have is when we meet with my friends dogs (two collies too) and my dog is OBSESSED with the younger of them (they are all males btw), if we are throwing a ball for them he will only chase and copy the other dog, circling/ herding him and nothing can break his focus. I've tried all sorts...running around manic to get his attention, having his favourite toys, favourite treats, loud noises etc. NOTHING will break his focus and he just will state at this dog and constantly run just behind him (or weave Infront). Any advice how to prevent this, and what he's doing? I'm assuming herding but it's only with this dog, and the other dog ignores him but starts growling after a while. It's annoying for me as I can only get him to follow me to leave with his lead on and he pulls against me to break off, then when the other dog is out of sight...he goes back to bring good as gold! Thanks
  5. Hello! Long time lurker, first time poster! I have been waiting on a few litters of working bred border collies puppies and they have all finally made it safely into this side of the world! Now comes the hard part: choosing! Litter 1: Working bred rough coated Red tri male (45lbs) x Working bred black tri smooth coated female (38lbs). CEA clear/clear, hips good/excellent. The bitch is out of incredible lines, bred and brought up for one year by Norman Close as his pick of the litter. She ended up not being pushy enough for the trial environment and was sold to their close friend who has a small sheep farm. She is athletic and FAST! Lovely temperament and structure. I have pick between two females. This is the female's first litter. Litter 2: Same sire x Rough coated red merle female (50lbs). CEA clear/carrier, hips good/excellent. I love the temperament of these dogs! Litter produced mostly red merle and one red tri, I have third pick of females. Puppies from previous litters of this same pairing appear to be lovely dogs in mind and drive, and are successful stock/ sport dogs. Originally when I started my search, I loved the idea of a red border collie, the red merles are also pretty, but as I have been researching, color is my last priority. This pup will be my sport prospect, especially in agility and dock diving, with intention to work stock as well, possibly trial. I am leaning toward the smaller black tri pups, but I still can't get over how gorgeous those red merle puppies are. I know there is a lot of prejudice with the merles, and worry about that in an active sporting/trial career. Thoughts?
  6. Hi everyone, I've been reading some of these boards, and there seem to be some very knowledgeable people on here. I have not seen very much on Bud Williams or his method and wanted to see if anyone knew about it or has had any experience with it. I have two border collie puppies that I wanted to train in this way to work cattle instead of for something like trials. Below are a couple of links. First one to an article I found about Bud Williams and the second to his website. http://managingwholes.com/stock-dogs-1.htm http://stockmanship.com/ Thanks in advance.
  7. Our 7 month old BC does not like to see me working. While normally a quiet well behaved pup, his response to doing simple chores is out of character. Raking, sweeping, drilling, or moving equipment around elicit aggressive barking and attacks on tools. He can be anywhere in the yard when I use my cordless drill and he will come running/barking to put an end to it. The same with raking or sweeping where he attacks the tool. He will attack the wheels of stationary tools when i move them. Could this be a jealousy/attention issue? A herding instinct coming out?
  8. Hello, I currently live with my border collie and have been considering the possibility of raising livestock. We live on 9 acres that we own, and live in the UK. We use part of it for training and agility, and what we aren't using is let out for grazing to a farmer nearby. I was thinking of perhaps purchasing a small number of sheep or goats to get started. Being new to livestock owning, I was wondering what people thought of this idea. I have heard goats are much easier to care for than sheep as they need less maintance in terms of coat, such as dipping. We currently have ducks, but they are different than sheep and goats in terms of management. Also, I was wondering what you thought of training my border collie to herd? I have heard goats are difficult to herd because they have less flocking instinct and can be more stubborn. Though are there some that are easier to herd with than others? And that certain sheep are easier to use for herding with a beginner dog than others. She comes from a farm, and both her parents worked livestock. She has instinct, though I am not sure how much talent as she has not been trained to herd. We don't have anyone nearby who can help teach us however. We have someone we can visit irregularly who could perhaps give us some pointers, but no one we can visit weekly. Do you think this is a good idea? If so, what do you recommend for a first time owner of livestock? Or for training a dog to herd? Any breeds you think would suit best? Is it possible to find dog broken adults, and would that be a good idea? Any resources for what is needed to own and care for sheep or goats? TLDR; I was thinking of getting a small number of sheep or goats, and perhaps even teach my border collie to herd, And was wondering what you thought of this idea and if its a good idea, if so what do you recommend in terms of goat vs sheep, or even breed?
  9. Hi there! I'm new to the forums so please excuse me if I say something that is incorrect. I have an 8 month old male entire Border Collie. I purchased him from proven champion working stock with lines behind them of the same. The dogs have lure coursing, herding, disk, dive, agility and obedience titles. I sought after a BC as a performance dog and of course, a companion for myself and my other dog. Despite his heratige my border collie has almost no drive at all, for toys, balls or prey. He is fairly driven for food but just seems lazy in general. He is a very fit boy, has been health checked and is in top health and is fed raw so it's not something health related. All his brothers and sisters, mother and father, and relatives have high prey and toy drive. However there is a few strange things about him. He is a tiny border collie, he is only 11kgs (just) at 8 months. All his siblings and parents are large big boned borders. He has large floppy ears that do not perk at all, his siblings have erect ears with tipped tops and so does both lines he comes from. He has a very long "show" coat and look which is abnormal considering he is from medium coated working lines. He also used to have bad fear aggression towards other dogs, with a lot of training he is now friendly and shy. None of his lines have had early fear aggression. He was also bread from dogs that were clear of all hereditary diseases. Everyday I have been working to increase his non-existence drive. I have used flirt poles, tug toys, rewards for fetching and games of chase to try to improve it. It has hasn't worked. When I play with him he just goes through the motions, he will lazily grab at the toy or ball and then tug until I free him. When fetching he will just walk slowly over and pick up the ball before dropping it at my feet and wait for a reward. We occasionally have successes but it's fairly infrequent. So what I'm asking is, have you any idea how I could improve this? I love him to bits but I really want to be able to do performance sports with him. Should I maybe introduce him to sheep? I have heard a few success stories from that. Also, the reason why he is not desexed is to try to help him to grow more confident in hopes to achieve better drive, I have no desire to breed him. Thank you so much! Sorry this is so long but I think it's better to explain everything.
  10. I debated putting this in the training forum, but I felt the working stockdogs forum would have more people with stockdog experience seeing it. Edit: Now that I've posted this I see there is a training group inside of stockdogs. This post should be there, but I don't see a way to move it. If that's possible, I'll gladly move it. Sorry for posting in the wrong topic! I have an 11 week old Border Collie that was bred for herding. Both of his parents work on a 150,000 acre cattle ranch! My intentions for him are on a much smaller scale, but I still want to make sure I do things right. What sort of things should I not teach my dog? I've heard to teaching them to heel and to only walk on one side of you can ruin his ability/desire to herd, since he learns to only stay by your side. I did read that teaching them to walk on leash without pulling you is okay though, thank goodness! I also believe I've read not to teach tug-a-war, but that may have been for other non-stock related reasons. I know that's a bad game from a dominance perspective anyhow. I also read about a lady who taught her dog the herding commands on a ball while playing fetch, then the dog wanted to play ball every time that it was supposed to be herding. I wont try anything like that! I have the book Herding Dogs-- Progressive Training by Vergil Holland. From what I've seen, this is the go-to book on training stockdogs. So far I've only read the chapters on puppies/new dogs. I have a good few months before we need to start actual herding training. My key questions are: What should I not teach my dog to do? Is puppy obedience class a good idea, or would I have to skip too many things that are covered in the class (mostly things involving a leash)? So far we're learning commands fine on our own and socializing with dogs of friends/family. Do you have any other tips that will help me to raise a good puppy into a great stockdog? P.S. I figured that a post on this would already exist, but my searching did not turn up anything. If I've missed it, please forgive me. Any direction to related posts is also appreciated.
  11. Hi! Glad to finally be able to post, as I have been stalking the boards the last few days. I have been looking to adopt a border collie for some time, and was waiting on a BC to come through that might work for us from the AZ BC rescue (we are in NM). We have been looking for a dog that can help me herd sheep, as we have a small flock of babydoll southdown sheep starting, but no more than 4-5 adults at any given time (plus lambs occassionally). I also have young kids, two dogs (rhodesian ridgeback, an aussie--who is useless with herding btw, but when I picked her out we didnt have sheep and I wanted a dog to "play" doggie sports with--I got my wish in that respect but she is an absolute failure at herding, in particular, submissive to sheep as if they were woolie dogs LOL). So we want something with some herding instinct. As cool as trialing would be, I don't forsee me having the time to be competitive, I just want the dog to help me get them in pens, seperate if need be, load into a trailer if need be, stuff like that, since my husband is gone often and it's just me and a 5 year old LOL. I really preferred to rescue over buy, but gave myself a year of searching before seeking out a working bred pup. Anywho, my fellow rescue friends knew I was searching and found a little apparent border collie pup from a shelter down south. I was hesitant in some ways, as adopting a single puppy from a shelter with unknown breeding etc was a bit risky. I had the shelter do some testing (mainly for food aggression and friendliness etc.) Chances are high that she could very well be a purebred BC or mostly BC based on the location she came from---a very small farm & ranch town. Appearance wise there is nothing about her so far that strikes me as a mix of much other than BC, no pit, no beagle, lab, heeler, that sort of thing. Long story short, her 5 days were up and I decided to "foster to adopt." She is about 8 weeks old, drop eared for now, although one seems to be "rising" haha. Smooth coat. Those two things alone have resulted in a few "knowledgeable" dog people to tell me she must be a mix. Which I generally laugh at because I know anyone who truly knows border collies must know there is so much variation in coat, color, ear set, etc. At 8 weeks she already shows more promise than my aussie (woohoo!). Most noticeably, she crouches, eyes, stalks, (and even nips or heels) my aussie, Sydney when they play. It seems to be her go to move especially when I am throwing a ball for Sydney. It's not just occassionally, it's a majority of her play "style", unless of course I go to get the camera to record it--then she stops and just wrestles, or eats chicken poop, or sits by my side. I have one video that I managed to catch just some of this apparent herding. Now, she has seen the sheep and horse through the fence, but doesn't seem to mind them other than the barking she did at first. She watches them but so far rather watch me or eat a strand of hay or something. I have free range chickens and she doesn't seem to always want to herd them, but every so often one my run by it's lonesome, and she seeks to bring it back to the "flock", I've seen her take a few wide runs around them, and earlier today when i was feeding she gathered one in the group and ran a tight circle around them twice before going to wrestle Sydney. Most of it seems opportunistic, and she never seems to serious about it, in fact she will easily get distracted in the middle of trying to "work" the chickens. She shows the most intensity and better crouch eye combo when playing with my dog than she has shown with the chickens period. I of course, do not allow active chasing, or getting to close to the chickens as if trying to actually catch one, which she hasn't done yet. Mostly trying to observe her, hoping to see something that says, "aw yes, she has potential." I am a dog trainer, obedience, and have a ton of experience with foster puppy behaviors. So I know how to read a dog pretty well, timing for praise and corrections, and have read up on what not to do (like distract her instead of scold her for trying to herd stock so that i don't turn her off, keep her safe while she is young so she has no bad experience, yada yada). But, admitedly I am very green to sheep and even more so to herding dogs other than a few trials I've seen, videos I've watched, articles read etc. I'm trying to find a little insight. Does she sound like she has good potential? She does have a bit of fiestiness in her which I like, at least I know at the very least she wouldn't submit to my sheep LOL. Here is a video I took. STILL trying to get video of her in her "eye crouch stalk" mode, but here at least you can see her do her thing while being a little puppy ADD (sniffing, distracted by banana peels, my dog, more sniffing, me, etc etc) with not as much crouch eye going on as she gives my dog. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10100617206375387&l=6673591963760853204
  12. I am experienced border collie handler and trainer, but not in herding although I have attended Jack Knox and Lyle Lad clinics. I have 3 border collies, two of which compete in canine sports. I clicker trained those dogs. I have a new puppy who is 10 weeks old. She comes from good imported herding lines. Since I would like to focus my attention herding with this pup I would like some advise from experienced people who trial on what type of training they do with a puppy who they intend to trial with, hopefully someday. I don't plan to start any type of training involving sheep until spring. My question is, other then the basics, what should I teach this pup? I have also heard that playing fetch, clicker training, training her to focus on me and doing those type of things with her will be a determent to herding, is this true? Do any of you have a dog, that trials successfully, that also competes in other sports? Thanks for your help.
  13. Patrick Shannahan will be joining us for a lessons on December 13 and a clinic on 14/15. Clinic will be held in Buckeye, Arizona just outside of Phoenix. All levels are welcome. For additional information please email me at azstockdogs@gmail.com
  14. Dianne Deal will be joining us Nov 1 - Lessons, Nov 2-3 for a clinic. All levels are welcome, limited working spots available. Location is Buckeye, AZ just outside of Phoenix. If interested email me and I will send you the information. azstockdogs@gmail.com
  15. JACK KNOX STOCK DOG TRAINING CLINIC July 27 & 28, 2013 Entries Close July 20, 2013 ALL BREEDS/ALL LEVELS at Maple Hill Farms 8999 Fairmount Rd., Novelty, Ohio 44072 8:30 A.M. EACH DAY CLINIC: $200 – per dog/handler for two day seminar (Sat/Sun). Auditing is unlimited at $50 per day, per person. LUNCH: Will be provided. Please specify if you are a carnivore or vegetarian. A variety of cold beverages will be provided also. All dogs must be kept QUIET, on leash or crated when not working in class. Bring a comfortable folding chair for each person attending. CONTACT/MAIL ENTRY TO: Bill or Elaine Blaschke; 8999 Fairmount Rd., Novelty, Ohio 44072 BBlaschke@aol.com or EBlaschke@aol.com Home/Bus: 440-338-6301 Bill's cell: 216-218-8890 Elaine's cell: 440-533-1878 All of these numbers have voice mail. So if no answer, leave a message with a number so we can return your call. We have a large variety of sheep that can be used to train your dog. This would include adult rams, ewes w/lambs at side and yearling rams and ewes. We also offer the ability to train your dog in herding and penning on farm terrain ranging from open fields, woods, trails, streams, gullies and obstacles to test your dog. Our facilities include a 50' diameter round pen, a 32' X 48' rectangular pen, a 187’ X 288' paddock, a 2-1/2 acre paddock and a 25-acre pasture. We do have limited parking for travel trailers or motor homes and can offer 115-volt electrical service and water. There will be a $10 per day charge for electric and water. Bring your own hoses and cords. We do not have septic service so your units must be self-contained. If you are from out of town and need a place to stay, there are several motels with in 25 minutes from the farm. They are north of the farm on Route 306 in Willoughby, Ohio at the intersection of rtes I-90 and 306. They include: Red Roof Inn, no extra charge for pets, phone # 440-946-9872 Days Inn, $15 per dog, per day charge, phone # 440-946-0500 America's Best Value Inn, $15 per dog, per day charge, phone # 440-953-8835 A LITTLE ABOUT JACK: Jack Knox is a renowned breeder, handler, trainer and trial judge making him a household name in the world of the working Border Collies. He has been training and running dogs his whole life and is an extremely popular, accomplished and well respected clinician. Jack has helped both novice and experienced handlers to improve upon and fine-tune their training and handling skills. He emigrated from Scotland to the United States in 1971. He initially lived in North Carolina for three years but now lives in Butler, Missouri with his wife and daughter. Jack has trialed heavily from the mid seventies to eighties and started teaching herding clinics in 1979. Jack is constantly learning and feels that //his training methods have evolved over time. He has placed in and won numerous trials, including USBCHA National Finals. Jack is in the ABCA Hall Of Fame. DIRECTIONS TO FARM: From the North: Get off I-90, coming from either the west or east, at exit #193 (Kirtland/Mentor) and head south on rte. 306, aka Chillicothe Rd. Continue south thru the towns of Kirtland and then Chesterland. Fairmount Rd. is the second crossroad south of Chesterland and crosses rte. 306. Turn left onto Fairmount from rte. 306 and head east one, (1) mile to the farm. The farm is on your right, on the south side of the road. From exit #193 to the farm is twelve, (12) miles and will take about 21 minutes to drive. From the South: Exit rte. 422, coming from either the west or east at the Aurora/S. Russell-Chagrin Rd./Bainbridge Rd. exit. There is no exit number. Head north onto rte. 306. You will cross E. Washington St., Bell Rd., Music St., and rte. 87, aka Kinsman Rd. Fairmount crosses rte. 306 and is the second crossroad north of rte. 87. Turn right onto Fairmount from rte. 306 and head east one, (1) mile to the farm. The farm is on your right, on the south side of the road. From the rte. 422/rte. 306 exit to the farm is 7.2 miles and will take about 12 minutes to drive. From the West/Chagrin Falls area: From downtown Chagrin Falls, take E. Orange St. east to North St. and bear to the left. North St. turns into Russell Rd. and then dead ends into rte. 87, (Kinsman Rd.). Turn right and head east to rte. 306. Turn left onto rte. 306 and head north. Fairmount crosses rte. 306 and is the second crossroad north of rte. 87. Turn right onto Fairmount from rte. 306 and head east one, (1) mile to the farm. The farm is on your right, on the south side of the road. From the center of Chagrin Falls to the farm is 6.75 miles and will take about 12 minutes to drive. From the East: Leave the town square of Burton, Ohio and head west on rte. 87, (Kinsman Rd.) You will cross rte. 44 and Auburn Rd. Continue to rte. 306 and turn right and head north. Fairmount crosses rte. 306 and is the second crossroad north of rte. 87. Turn right onto Fairmount from rte. 306 and head east one, (1) mile to the farm. The farm is on your right, on the south side of the road. From Burton Square to the farm is eleven, (11) miles and will take about 15 minutes to drive. JACK KNOX STOCK DOG CLINIC ENTRY FORM Signature at bottom required HANDLER NAME: ____________________________________________ ADDRESS, CITY & STATE: _______________________________________________ PHONE: ______________________ E-MAIL : ________________________@______ I WILL PARTICIPATE (CHECK DATES THAT APPLY): CLINIC: Sat/Sun, July 27 & 28, 2013_______ Number of Dogs ______________ Breed(s) of dog(s): _____________________________________________________ Dog’s name: __________________________________________________________ AUDITING: Sat/Sun for days (how many day(s)/people) _____________________ Entries close July 20, 2013. Payment in full must be made in advance to hold your spot. Checks payable to: Maple Hill Farms Refunds are possible only if the seminar is filled to capacity and there is someone else to fill the slot. You are welcome to resell your slot with timely notification. In consideration that I will be participating in the Jack Knox Stock Dog Clinic and private lessons sponsored by Maple Hill Farms, div. Geauga Drilling and Supply Co., Inc. and held at Maple Hill Farms in Novelty, Ohio on July 27 & 28, 2013, I do hereby agree that in the event of personal injury or death and/or damage to my property or animals in my control, I will not hold Jack Knox & family, the hosts & their family, their members, or workers responsible. I will pay for livestock injured or killed during my participation at the clinic. Signature: ____________________________________ Date: __________ I will be having lunch: yes no (circle one) How many having lunch? ___________________ total Vegetarian: yes no (circle one) How many are vegetarian? __________________ total Non-vegetarian: yes no (circle one) How many are non-vegetarian? ______________ total
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