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  1. Team results: England 1st., Canada 2nd., Norway 3rd. Individual: 1st. Jaran Knive - 2nd. Kevin Evans -3rd. Serge Vanderzweep
  2. Kristi, Lou is with you still. He is in your heart, your mind and your memories. They never fade. I remember from the start and to the passing and I remember him helping you out throughout your early years. He is what we call "steady" and consistent, courageous but not aggressive, willing but not needy and BIG! Don't fret. Enjoy the memories and that part of your life with him. Bob
  3. I have a friend on the Isle of Skye who has been using it for his cows and sheep for years. There is a great distillery on Skye and most of the farmers there use the mash. It is delivered to them right from the distillery. Bob Stephens
  4. Great videos Dave as usual. Anyone not looking at these is not interested in getting better. This video is a free clinic/ Bob Stephens
  5. I think you probably figured that out for yourself too Eileen by adding the first and second round scores as I did. But there's nothing posted yet as to who the Champions are. Bob Stephens
  6. I get a little upset when I hear all this stuff about white factoring and deafness. I know there have been studies done to establish whether white factoring (whatever that is) leads to either early onset deafness or deafness at a later date. None of these has been conclusive as of my last reading. My original kennel stud dog, Del'mar Turk was a split face dog out of a split face sire and a bitch with a fair amount of white on her. Turk produced at least 25 pups over his lifetime and not one was ever deaf until very late in life when most border collies experience some form of deafness. I'm talking about 12 years of age plus. Turk, himself, was 15 1/2 when he died and still able to hear quite clearly for his age. I don't see anything abnormal in the pictures of the bitch or the dog to make me think there would be a problem. However, that said, I don't know the lines of either dogs and, if early onset deafness was present in the ancestors I might be tempted to do the hearing tests. (Not sure they work that well either)...Bob
  7. His gait looks fine and you're in pretty good shape too. If it's not broke, don't try to fix it. If the vet doesn't see anything wrong there likely isn't. I'm sure he would recommend rays if he thought they were needed. He appears to be athletic and of good nature and pretty happy with doing stuff with you. Enjoy him......Bob Stephens
  8. Thanks Dave for the excellent videos, as usual. Just like being there. Looks like it was a great trial. Once I get my eyes and knee fixed, we'll see you on the trial field, maybe this winter......Bob Stephens, thanks again
  9. The secret (not really) to controlling this type of dog is a very good stop. Don't even take him to stock until you know that you have a pretty fair stop on him. Apart from being able to keep him off the stock so he can't grip, the stop is the only other thing that will save you. This type of dog is very valuable around the ranch as he likes to control stock all the time and, as long as you have control of him, he will serve you very well over his lifetime. To get this stop, you must be extremely consistent and never let up in order for him to understand that you are in charge. 2 1/2 weeks is not anywhere near enough time to train this dog to be consistent in his work. Get the stop first and then continue on with his sides and gathers, walk ups etc. To get the stop, work in close with him backed off the sheep so he isn't bumping on them all the time and scaring them. Tell him to lie down when the sheep are approaching you on a gather and get your hands up in the air and make yourself as big as possible. Move towards him if necessary to get what you need. Big voice, big person and you in charge all the time. Don't let up. You must be the king, God, whatever it takes. You're in charge, ALL THE TIME!! When you have an excellent stop then continue on with the rest of your training. You can do small gathers and some short driving if you like but I doubt that you have any sides on this dog yet. Am I right? Don't hesitate to visit the ask an expert section. Amanda has a lot of experience with most kinds of dogs. She may also be able to help you. Bob
  10. You`ll do fine. Have fun but try hard to do the right thing in your mind. Again, have fun!!!!! and remember, WE WE`RE ALL THERE AT SOME TIME AND WE`RE NOT HERE TO JUDGE YOU! (Unless, of course, we are the Judge) Bob Stephens
  11. I have given Eileen and Heather my notice of retirement from the expert's position and you will be very excited about my replacment, I'm sure. You will be getting advice from one of the top trainers in North America and a very knowledgeable and dedicated handler who has been extremely successful. Enjoy her and take advantage of her knowledge. This kind of experience does not come along every day. I have enjoyed working with all of you and especially those challenging questions that kept me awake at times trying to figure out a solution. That is how we learn and, if we ever stop learning, we go backwards. There are no stupid questions and there is never just one answer. Enjoy your dogs as much as I enjoy mine and your life will be full forever........Once again, thank you for the opportunity to challenge myself and to help you in any way I could. Tight turns and straight lines and let your dog work. He does have a brain.......sincerely.....Bob
  12. You can't do it without yelling with some dogs and I would suggest she is one of them. The "lie down" is one of the most important commands on a working dog and, if not executed effectively, the dog is in the wrong place all the time. I am a little concerned about the "waiting for your direction" statement as you want your dog to be thinking when she is working and take direction when needed, not waiting for you to give it. Don't be too concerned about yelling while training a dog. You need to use a firm voice and, at times, a loud voice to get the effect you are looking for. As the dog progresses in her training you will have to use less volume in your voice. The stop or "lie down" must be executed as quickly as you are telling the dog to do it. If you want the dog to stop immediately, use that kind of command. ie; "LIE DOWN!!!!! If you want her to slow down or stop slowly, soften it up quite a bit. Use a soft voice for actions that you want executed in that manner and, of course, the sharp, firm voice for things you want done immediately. You can use your whistle the same way. Now, as far as the dog running through you when you give her a command, don't put up with it. Get yourself out to her and give her a scolding if she is ignoring you. Use as much force as is necessary to accomplish the task of getting to listen to you. This can be in the form of "shame on you" (words aren't important, it's the inflection in your voice that counts) but I don't think that will work on her. The next step is to really chastise her harshly so she knows she has done something wrong which will likely work and if that doesn't give her a good shaking. Don't carry on too long with this stuff and don't hold grudges. Give her the correction and then get on with your training in a positive way. One thing that is very important with a dog like yours is to not move out too far too fast. If she is lying down well at 100 feet like you say just move out to 125 feet and when she is consistent there then go a little further. So often we find that we go to far too fast and the dog goes backwards instead of progressing. Take little steps. They work much better. I must apologize for taking so long to answer you but we are lambing right now and there isn't much time in the day or night to spend on the computer. Let me know how you are doing with her in a while and we can continue from there........Bob
  13. Hi Suzanne. Glad to hear of your successes this past week end. Your dogs sound like they are very keen which is really nice to have. Your young one, Yoko, is just very keen going to the post and wanting to get at it right now and can't wait to get going. She will settle somewhat as she gains more experience but I think you'll find that she will always be ready and willing even as she gets older. Going to voice works very well when the dog tends to run through you and is the right thing to do in that situation. I always say that if what you are doing is not working try something else. Definition of insanity is, and I'm sure you have heard this, "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." Keep up the good work. You will become dangerous! ....Bob
  14. An inside flank is a flank that is executed with the dog flanking between you and the sheep. The best way to train this flank, in my opinion, is on a fence with the dog driving the sheep along the fence and you standing at right angle to the dog and sheep about 40 feet away. Walk the dog up on the sheep and keep them on the fence by flanking the dog to the outside of the sheep but staying behind them. As the sheep move down the fence give the dog a flank to the outside of the sheep and call his/her name and call the dog to you with a "here". You don't want the dog to come to you but you do want him to start to you. You then give him another flank as he gets almost past the sheep to finish the flank with the dog approaching the sheep from the opposite side. Tell him to walk up and start driving the opposite way on the fence and do the same thing but, of course, with the opposite flank. So to explain it another way, if the sheep are moving past you on fence going to the left of you, with the dog driving them past you to the left, you will call the dog's name and say "here". As the dog moves his head to your direction give the flank, "come bye". If the dog wants to go around behind you, you can step into his path, getting yourself between him and the sheep so that he has to go between you and the sheep. The picture you are looking for is the dog answering to his name and the "here" command and then turning nice and square when he is given the come bye flank. You may need to give a couple more come bye's to get him all the way around to the other side facing the sheep but it will come quite quickly if your timing is right. The nice thing about working on the fence is once the inside flank is completed you can then start to go the other way and train the other flank as you go. Timing is important as you must give the flank as soon as the dog's head turns to you when you call his name and "here". Try it for a while if your dog is ready and get back to me with any problems you are having. Your dog should have fairly good flanks before you start this. It will make it much easier. Bob
  15. You are much too humble Lana. I would say that anyone who accomplished what you have in your time at this way of life and who has undertaken the ownership of a relatively large sheep ranch and raising two kids to boot doesn't have to call herself average in the training or any business. And as far as nursery dogs go I don't think you've ever seen me run very many of them either. And Julie, it sure isn't impossible to find a good dog with courage that is biddable but it sure isn't that common either. I wish there were more of them especially when you start getting into the mid 70's and you have to start those young ones that just seem to think you're wrong all the time!! Have fun with your dogs guys....talk later.....Bob
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