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  1. Edited my quote. I hadn't meant to leave the other sentence. Just to say that I think the art of science is where I am most comfortable and that I think it is an important aspect.
  2. I agree whole heartedly with the statement I bolded. Guess that makes me a pear, too. Edited as I had left a sentence in I hadn't meant to.
  3. Couple of things. My stockdog trainers aren't aware of Behan's work and I'm sorry I brought up his site. It didn't occur to me that comments would be mean spirited. I have always been an open minded sort. Love knowledge. Love learning. I don't pass judgments hastily. Too much I don't know. Most trainers around here are either all positive or alpha folk. Neither of those paradigms are a fit for me. The former had something missing and the latter, well it has never been a consideration. Behan has taught me to work with Colt's drive which I was actually working against using the CC tech
  4. To each his or her own. No convincing necessary on either side. Slurp!
  5. He isn't calling reasoning or deducting or thinking energy as he does not believe dogs do any of those things. I admit when I first started to read his site I thought whoa, new age and I am uncomfortable with new age. I kept reading though, because there was so much that was so interesting and resonated and I see that Behan is actually very much grounded in reality and his work has helped me so much with Colt in particular. I haven't needed any help with Bea, but she has truly benefitted. Behan's work gets to the heart of the dog. What I see in his vid's is the same relationship I see wi
  6. I don't understand the anger. I have always had a dog. Always. Throughout my childhood and adulthood. I also train and work with horses. My Colt dog does much the same thing as your Jackson. I really have no wish to argue. I find great value in Behan's work. Hundreds and hundreds of dogs have gone through his father's kennel and then his own through out a lifetime. He has trained his entire life. I'm thinking he may know a few things.
  7. I don't understand how this is arrogant at all? Would one of you mind explaining? Personally I don't see intellectual facility as being a superior way of being. i.e. I've never been insulted by a dog.
  8. Ooky, I am not able to answer your questions. I'm sure I'd get some things wrong. I am in the midst of exploring and examining all of this myself. As I said I have been using Behan's NDT for only a couple of months now, but the reason I glommed onto his work is that it fits with how I operate in general with all animals. It makes total sense to me. Took me a while to understand Behan's writings as he tends to write stream of consciousness style and it does seem out there at first, but after I put the principles into practice I began to understand his writing much much more because I was seeing
  9. This is a really clear example I think of what happens very frequently when a dog is disobeying. The dog is caught between it's energetic alignment with the human and the sheep. It knows what the job is, knows it does the job with it's human partner who wants the same thing and the dog is trying to do that in spite of the human mistake. Nothing "willful" here, IMHO. Liz: "I wonder how often they think, "If humans can reason, then why don't they do it all the time?" I think if they could think they would think this a fair bit
  10. I don't know of course who is right, you or I and I am certainly very much in a learning place with all of this, but it was actually taking Bea to sheep and seeing her "turn on" that got me looking more deeply into working on this other level with a dog. What Bea did in that field made me sit up and take notice. I don't see her innate ability to work stock as being a reasoning thinking sort of thing at all. In fact it felt way more like a feeling instinctual intelligence. I have worked with horses for a while now and they work from an energy place too and work off feel and pressure. When I
  11. I don't think I am very good at explaining all this. I didn't intend that the dog was thinking anything at all. The table is a very charged spit for the dog. It is the human's eating place. The dog doesn't eat there, so he is feeling options out in an organic way. Very similar to what rootbeer suggests. If dogs can reason then why don't they do it all the time?
  12. Oh no, no, no, no. I don't mean prey in the sense of eating. I mean in it's energy sense. It is simply more attractive. Much more attractive.
  13. Simply suggesting another way to interpret. FWIW, I do not for once think a dog is any less than a human being because it does not reason. Humans can take a lot of lessons from animals, IMHO. Intellectual intelligence can be highly over rated.
  14. Yes Toyota has built the perfect recall but not in the manner you're speaking of. Poor Toyota.
  15. I agree with so much Bekoff has to say since he sees canines as highly emotional beings, but yes, we can agree to disagree re: conscious thought processes. I think he is misinterpreting what he is seeing and I am with the critics who say he is anthropomorphizing.
  16. Geonni, here is a link to an article that explains much better than I ever could why I do not believe that dogs operate on a cognitive level of reasoning. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/my-pup...otion-and-logic
  17. FWIW, my Colt dog has had stranger danger issues that have abated and escalated during his yr. and 9 mos. I too was using the Control Unleashed exercises and working on calming protocols. Colt would get really "good" and then in a few months regress. After I took Bea to sheep and saw her work from her drive and instinct place I got the idea that maybe that is what I needed to find a way to do with Colt. Short story is I found the "Natural Dog Training" website, contacted Kevin and started working with Colt's drive. Colt is a soft dog with medium drive and he was very obedient and I found t
  18. I'm in the absolutely not camp. Mr. Snappy and SDR have written a number of excellent reasons I believe this. Dogs operate on an emotional energetic level. They do not reason things out so they cannot be willful.
  19. Yep, this is Bea's Wait command. She will freeze even in mid flight for a ball. Stay, I use for other circumstances. Sounds like Stand might be best.
  20. I think your whole post is well conceived, but I especially like the part I have quoted.
  21. Bea hasn't got a lie down yet with sheep, 9 mos and about 8 lessons, so I improvised with something I use out on our hikes. Reading your post makes me think that I should incorporate a lie down command on the trail where I usually use wait, as I have only been looking for her to stop. Then perhaps it will more easily transfer over to when she's working sheep. She has an excellent lie down on hikes, in the fields, etc. under distraction, but not with sheep. I was very happy to get the wait. Am I making any sense or do I want both a stop and a lie down for different things while working she
  22. Ah. yes, the beginning, of course. So true. Thx Sue.
  23. Sue, that makes so much sense. Thank you for pointing that out. I will start using stop, as stay can also sound like way. Never occurred to me.
  24. Hurray. I actually got things done today. One of my trainer's older dogs (11) who no longer competes worked really well for me. Very responsive to all my commands. I now have a canine teacher. My trainer worked Bea, working on balance and steadying and changing direction and then had me go out with her older fellow. I was feeling out balance and steadying. This is how we will work once a week throughout the summer. Bea is nine mos. now and in the fall we will up the lessons to two times a week and progress accordingly. I feel so fortunate. Oh, and I was able to call Bea off the sh
  25. Congrats on a very nice run Bob with Pete. That chute time was awesome. Watched on Ustream.
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