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  1. So I knew this day would come. The puppies are 11 months now and this is the second time my out-of-state kids have come with their three children (2 toddlers and an infant). Last time they visited, the pups were 5 months. Since then we have been to classes; walks in town; and then, of course, quarantine. However, even without quarantine, I knew this would pose a problem. If these puppies were raised with children, I have no doubt I would not have any problem. They absolutely love people, and I have witnessed the sire and dam who had lived with grandchildren. However, we live rural and our kids are grown, so it is just my husband and me. But this weekend we had two adults, three children, and two other dogs descend on us. Quite a big and overwhelming plate for the puppies. Knowing this, I have tried to take this slowly...limiting time with the kids, on-leash petting and cookie giving. And although I totally understand this from the dogs point of view, I am just not liking the way they startle when the kids move too quickly. So my questions are 1. how would you handle this situation and.... 2. What happens after they leave. We are back to alone time until the next visit, which will probably be 2 months away. And then it will be re-adjusting all over again. I knew from the start this was going to be hard. No matter how I racked my brain, I could not come up with a plan for socializing puppies with children when you have no access to children on a daily basis (or even a weekly basis.) Classes consist of adults, as do walks. And even on the occasional walk when encountering kids, it's not enough exposure to make them "child-proof." Thanks in advance for any input, advice, and tricks you might have!
  2. I know simply by the two pictures that juliepoudrier posted that I would LOVE to come and visit her!!
  3. Now that someone has brought this up, I have always wondered if this is a trait related to the breed? My BCs have all been like that. They could go out and get filthy, and hours later, they were clean and bright...especially the white. And I had not witnessed them overly grooming their entire bodies. We have always marveled at that. I also would like to know the difference between a rough coat and a long hair BC.
  4. Years ago I had an 18 month GSD that had a gray muzzle from then to maturity. She was a "show dog" and it made it difficult when they would think she was an old dog in a young class. I had one rescue that one vet said was probably 2 yrs. old and another vet said 7 years. He lived to be what we determined to be 17-18, and if the one vet was correct, he would have been 23 (highly unlikely.) With rescues, a gray muzzle is only one factor. I had one shelter dog who's teeth made him look way older than he was. My vet chalked up bad teeth to bad breeding (genetics) and poor early nutrition. I wish they were like trees so you could count the rings and know their exact age!! And I love Cressa's photo of her three-headed border collie!! And Irish Collie, that is one beautiful dog you have there!
  5. I noticed no one has yet replied to this, so thought I'd take a stab at it. It had been many years since I had puppies, since I had taken a liking to shelter/rescue dogs that I acquired around 1 1/2 years old (love that age to get a dog - I think it's perfect - still young, but old enough to be over the puppy stages.) So 8 months ago, I got two puppies. I can remember bringing them home at 9 weeks and being totally amazed at what they learned and how quickly they learned. I know within days they were responding to "sit" and "come". I know at 12 weeks they could "figure 8" through my legs on command. They are like sponges; they absorb everything (including learning bad habits if you let that happen.) There was a short, solid tunnel in the play yard an they would go through it on command probably before 3 months. Learned to walk at my side by 4 months, maybe sooner, on leash. They learned agility ground work from the day I brought them home. I never thought about milestones in weeks for my dogs and have never held them to any. Like kids, I think every dog is different and every dog learns at its own rate. My two puppies have totally different personalities, and the way and rate one learns is not necessarily the way and rate the other does. Therefore, I do not hold them to any schedule when it comes to learning. One thing I do know is they are one heck of a lot of FUN!!
  6. My last two were both rough coats. I HATE grooming. So when searching for the next dog, I was hoping for a smoothie. However, as the fates would have it, I ended up with two rough-coated puppies. sigh. But this time, I am committing to taking them to a groomer so I don't have to keep up with it.
  7. Wonderful news!! So glad he is ok. Yep, these dogs are truly amazing!
  8. Hi Natt I think I would like to have a little more information. How many children do you have and how old are they? Other information I would ask is where does he sleep? Where is he kept during the day? What kind of interaction does he have with the children on a daily basis and what kind of play interaction does he have with the whole family?
  9. First thing I checked after letting the puppies out this a.m. Please let this dog be o.k. I'm sure they did not sleep last night.
  10. I think Lawgirl has some very good options there. I also have a girl puppy - 10 months - and she will periodically leave part of her meal. She has been vet-checked recently, and I am confident there is not a medical reason. At first I attributed it to maybe a slow growth rate, but I am now starting to wonder if it is hormonal-driven. She has not been in season yet. It is also very sporadic - I cannot find a pattern to it. So I am following this thread since I also have had the same experience.
  11. Hi Broken Glass If my dog was doing this, I would be tempted to take him somewhere else or do something else with him at that set time of the evening. I would be curious to see if he still reacted that way, or if the behavior did not manifest itself during this time. IF he does not react in the same way in a different location, or while doing a different activity, then I might continue to keep doing that in hopes that it would extinguish that behavior. If he still exhibited this behavior, then I might look into the cause being physical such as food or a medical reason. My gut says it is attached to something in his past. No matter how long I have had dogs, I always long to know WHY a behavior exists. However, when it comes to rescues, I have come to realize that sometimes we will never know. I will follow this thread as I am as curious as you as to why he is doing this. Two months is a relatively short time; I'm sure he is still adapting to his new life. I had one dog that took a couple years before I felt she had completely adapted to her new life. Stanley is a lucky one to finally have an owner who is concerned for him and cares.
  12. Dear Normtrum My heart goes out to you. The only thing you are guilty of is not having the ability to predict the future in order to stop it. And we have all been there before. Whether it's dogs or kids, you do your best and then hope for the best. I pray that both you and your beautiful Cody come through this just fine.
  13. Welcome Broken Glass!! Aww, your boy is gorgeous! I have a soft spot for reds! (and B&W classics, and white & blacks, and smoothies, and split faces, and...well, you get it. lol). You will find this board full of knowledge, and empathy, and comfort, and fun, and sometimes even a little reality check when you really need it. Also, the the search engine is a great tool for finding past answers to questions you may have. The amount of information contained in this site is amazing!! I have found this site invaluable in raising and living with a Border Collie. We are all united in our love and dedication to the breed. However, a word of warning: because of the amount of diverse information, this site can be VERY addicting.
  14. Hi You do not say whether you are considering a border collie puppy or an older puppy/dog. There are many things to consider here, and their age is the first. I always raise my puppies in a crate. I currently have two puppies, and there are two crates downstairs, and two crates that they sleep in upstairs in the bedroom. For me, this is key to housebreaking them, and containing them when we are out so that they are not destructive. Two litter mates - same parents - different personalities. One is calm and quiet in the crate. The other is calm and quiet UNTIL he has had enough, and then he is vocal. However, both tolerate the crate well. That being said, not all puppies take to a crate well. I have had older rescue dogs in the past that I have successfully used a crate with when bringing them home. However, especially when getting an older dog, you do not know how they will adapt to crating. My son got a 6+ month old puppy (not a BC) from a shelter. She could not tolerate a crate. Tried slowly introducing it. Tried keeping it in the living room with an open door. Tried building up time in it. That dog hated the crate and would have hurt herself trying to get out of it if he had kept it up. When you get an older dog, there is no guarantee that they will adapt well to the crate. If I am reading your post correctly, it seems you can go home at lunchtime for walks. So likely the dog would only be in the crate for maybe 4 hours, and then a break. Then 4 hours and another break?? This is not a bad situation if all goes well. I think you must ask yourself what alternatives you may have if the crating isn't working. Dog walker? Safe area for dog if not crated? I also think we are lucky now that we have the option of cameras to monitor our dogs when we are not at home. And perhaps the most important thing to ask yourself is what plan do you have for raising an active dog. I have yet to have a crazy, off-the-wall border collie as some people say they have. However, BCs are active, and smart, and need both physical and mental activities. Do you plan to attend classes (puppy? obedience? agility?) Highly recommended. There is a good start for support and well as keeping the dog occupied. Re-read Gentle Lake's answer - it is excellent in telling you what to expect. Then re-read it again. I just noticed that the original post was from February 20. So I don't know why there is such a long time between posts. When seeing that, I was going to just skip replying, but then I thought I should reply because sometimes the most valuable information I find on these boards is when I do a search for a particular problem. Perhaps it is too late for the original poster, but maybe it will help someone else with the same question in the future.
  15. Well, here in Western Pennsylvania, we are preparing for the "soft opening" of many businesses in May. I am still a little nervous about that. Being home all day has not been that different for us. My husband is retired and he is home all day anyway. I am over 65 and have a small 4-hr job in the mornings. So I am missing going out to work for those 4 hours and seeing people. And I really miss going to dog class two days a week in the afternoon. Those were socializing times for my puppies, as well as their every-two-weeks appt. at the groomers to get their nails clipped (basically to get them used to the whole process.) Added to that is that we have had crappy weather - cold, rainy, or both. So I have been limited in getting them out to different places for socialization (without people and dogs due to social distancing.) You would think that with all this time, I would be out there training and training -- but alas, lack of dog class plus lousy weather has made me less than motivated to train. Although I must say that two 10-month-old puppies have made staying at home fun -- never a dull moment with these two! I hope you all stay safe and healthy. I would never have thought that I would ever see in my lifetime what is happening now. Bonnie
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