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Debbie Meier

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  1. Nope, it's not joining forces, but it is an attempt to get groups of people with a common interest via their association with AKC equally informed. I can tell you first hand, you don't want the other AKC breeders and dog owners to be working against you when it comes to legislation, when I say other I'm talking about all the ones that don't have border collies but have other breeds. The government relations department can be used in the favor of dog breeding and ownership in general. A few years back AKC was not on the same wave length here in IA and ended up providing their members with
  2. To really form a judgment on the dogs builds and working styles you need to look at the individuals that were used to make up that pedigree and also the types of dogs that the breeders liked. If you go back and look at Pete's dogs you will not see the big blocky thick dogs, more lean and fast, some on the small side. Our Jake is from Pete, Pete commented that he was on the large side of his spectrum, about 40-45 lbs. This is Pete's Hooker http://waynescustomleather.com/cattledogs/jake/hooker_rh.jpg Fly: http://waynescustomleather.com/cattledogs/jake/fly_standing.jpg Mouse: http:
  3. Working cattle typically requires teeth, just not going to get it done with presence alone. When folks look to adding a dog for cattle work they want to make certain that they are not spending money on a pup that comes from parents with little to no bite and specializes in moving stock with presence, so we end up having to advertise the bite and also the bite placement. If we only showed photos of the dogs working with presence alone, which ours will, those looking for dogs with bite would pass our dogs up. We ourselves like to show a clean as reasonably possible nose (head) and heel bite f
  4. the first of those three cowdog photos is of our dog Jake, sensitive and some would say timid. If you yell at him he slinks off.
  5. oh, some apply what they have experience with one dog to the entire gene pool that they believe that dog is a member of.
  6. Hard to tell seeing that each person breeding and selecting are doing so just a little bit differently. You are more apt to identify dogs from the same closer families then simply cattle dog or sheep dog lines. Also, in many cases they are one in the same, we select for cattle work but if you look at our pedigrees some would say sheepdog lines, but when we go to trials often people will ask if our dogs have descended from many of the key "cowdog lines" due to them having a similar "look" as far as outgoing, confident, timid, shy, those are typical dog traits, you see the trai
  7. Yup, would imagine there are lots. Though it seems that a fair number of lifetime memberships are paid each year, something else we just need to pony up on and be done with this annual deal. Looks like about 130 lifetimes in 2013 to 1625 (give or take) annual memberships that same year. Don't both sire and dam owners need a membership though? Which would indicate quite a bit more memberships paid compared to litters registered. Would be interesting to know how many litters were registered by how many different members each year, would give us a bit of a idea as to the diversity, also a stat
  8. In regard to the USBCHA membership, should have no issue being a associate member also could join as a lifetime member, we should have done that 5 years ago, would have it 1/2 way paid for by now. Anyway, I was just chatting with a USBCHA director about using the Paw Print Genetics discount as a means to promote more associate memberships with USBCHA, good way to generate more association revenue without incurring expense while giving those who join a benefit. This would also increase the footprint of USBCHA with the company offering the discount to members.
  9. does ABCA have restrictions as to residency of members? Could those in other countries with ISDS registered dogs become ABCA members and have their litters registered with ABCA so that they don't lose their paper trail and in turn be able to get the offspring back into ISDS with out the ROM expense?
  10. Another number to consider, is USBCHA membership, only 1000 members. If you figure that the majority are not likely to produce even 1 litter each year that really cuts into the overall number of ABCA registered dogs that are bred with trialing in mind. eta (not saying that all usbcha members are breeding with trialing in mind, but they/we have a common bond that would likely influence their/our selection, the ISDS trial format). With that said, it would be interesting to see what percentage of those dogs are closely related compared to how closely they are related to those registered
  11. Mum24dog, is it common for a breeder to register entire litters over there by you or only the ones that they feel are worthy of registration? That would effect the numbers registered since most here seem to register every pup born. For some reason I'm thinking that your registration fees and related requirements are also quite a bit higher, that too would reduce the actual numbers being registered creating a higher percentage of unregistered dogs. Here it's simply $11 per pup, no other requirements other then ABCA membership and registered parents
  12. 95 million cattle / 5.2 million sheep from a recent count on the USDA website. I believe that many of the working ones are being used for cattle work, though there is a large number if not even the majority that are likely being bred for pets and sport, pets would also include companion farm dogs that are not truly saving labor, IMO. Those dogs also are not likely to be bred to popular sires, more what ever is available or personally owned by who ever is breeding them.
  13. no hard numbers that I know of, but one can get a sense by looking in the ABCA newsletter at the annual report. In 2013 there was $149,169 received in registration fees, average fee per pup is $11. If I round down to $145,000, it would be a rough estimate of 13,549 pups registered by the ABCA 2013, probably a little high but should be close. Would not be limited to the US, more like North America would include dogs registered to members in other countries too, not certain how many that would be.
  14. I knew he was a Dhu grandson, didn't know that granddam on his mothers side also went deaf. I would consider that a carrier/carrier breeding, for some reason I thought you were looking a lot further back for deafness showing up. Interesting looking at the pedigree with the dam's dam info.
  15. Liz, did you take Frankie's pedigree down from your blog-page?
  16. would it help to set up regional and local BAER testing clinics at trials, not only testing dogs trialed but also asking for retired dogs, breeding stock and the using farm dogs that are not normally coming to the trials? Would there be ABCA funding available to help reduce the expense of the clinic to help encourage more to test dogs, even dogs they wouldn't normally test if they were considering the financial commitment. There is someone here in Iowa who is also licensed in NE, he said he will come to a event and do a clinic, I think he told me $40 a dog but I don't know what his o
  17. pretty much within the realm of what could be expected for a youngster, mostly play and adrenaline to chase. She wants to engage livestock so that is a bonus, would like to see her show some desire to balance, control, but she really wasn't give the opportunity and often times you may not see that the very first time, especially with older energetic pups. There is something to work with, as far as talent, can't say either way and a lot has to do with what your expectation is. Consider that some feel that anyone that can play a musical instrument is talented or do you want talent to be bas
  18. opens the door for a interesting conversation of what "inhumanely" is in relationship to the requirements outlined by USDA since so many are trying so hard to protest having USDA housing and care standards applied to them. And yes, the "cutesy" one, loaded with puns.
  19. Eileen, have you read the judges opinion from the dismissed USDA lawsuit that was published over the last couple of weeks, while to a degree entertaining, it's likely to put a pretty big thorn in a lot of sides on the state and local level when it comes to exemption for minimum housing and care standards.
  20. Some have issue with inspections and just don't want the intrusion, some have issue with the minimum housing requirements. We also have it in the state policies that a breeder can't have more then 6 dogs in their residence, doesn't matter if they are altered or unaltered. If you breed, need a license, any over 6 need to have accommodations outside of the primary residence. That's a big issue with many who are avoiding the licensing, they don't want to be told that they are limited to 6 in their primary residence.
  21. oh, it's a big debate and still being tossed around, just depends on the individual who is talking at the time. Sounds like some would like to see a 10 bitch and under exemption. Just makes me roll my eyes. Some see MO as a 10 bitch exemption neglecting to really read the law which indicates that they would still need to be "registered" with the housing and care standards still applying to them if complaints are brought up against them. If I recall correctly, the proposed legislation that is sitting at the state house right now gives exemption from inspection if you have 10 or fewer
  22. I recall a big scare and so many going on about the injustice, just not fair and on and on, but darn it, get's to be unfair with so many flying under the radar, seems with avoiding licensing they also don't do the proper vet work for fear of being found out. Vent time....have new legislation proposed here in our state, seems that a group is trying to form to draft their own proposal to counter the new AR drafted version. Problem is, most involved seem to be breeders who should be currently licensed but are electing to exempt themselves via noncompliance of the state licensing law. So now
  23. Lots of uncollected revenue sitting out there just waiting for someone to push enforcement, but no...folks would rather push more laws that penalize those already following the laws. I often wonder if the lack of desire to enforce current regulation is the greatest gift to those that want pet ownership eliminated, makes it clear that what we have on the books doesn't work so we must need more regulation.
  24. But, the sheep are still there for training and experience and not maintained strictly for livelihood as sheep or cattle producers. It's amazing how many livestock producers are not interested in breeding dogs, I have a pup going to southern IA the first of the month, this will be the second going to this operation. They could breed their own but they don't want to. Itwas actually funny when the buyers wife asked about a female and her husband said, "what would I want with a bunch of pups?" They don't have time to mess with breeding, waiting on puppies, training. They would rather buy som
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