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  1. I posted because I was reading a thread where deregistered dogs were listed and there were various theories put forth as to why people would do this. I figured I would tell why. Not to justify what I did....not to say "I'm not a bad person," but simply to say why I made the decision I did. What did I prove by showing? Not a darn thing! I never intended to prove a darn thing...well, maybe just one thing, to one person, and I did that. I didn't prove anything to judges...I didn't prove anything to other exhibitors. Maybe I had an impact on some of the spectators I spoke to ringside....maybe not....I don't know. You're right....the standard is rubbish....and by looking at my current bc pack, it's obvious that I'm not obtaining borders in an effort to fit that standard. I had a border collie that I competed with in events sponsored by different organizations...some of which were AKC. I'm actually rather neutral on the AKC and place the blame for many breeds' demise on the breeders and exhibitors. The AKC really doesn't give a damn what people show...they want money. I knew that going in. Why did I attend AKC conformation events? It has nothing to do with border collies, but I don't mind sharing. I married into a family that showed dogs...lhasa apsos. I always liked dogs so I figured why not do it, too. In the years that I showed lhasas I met some not so nice people (as you find everywhere), and I also met some amazing people. These are friends (many 20-30 years older than me) that I traveled with, gossiped with, and shared many a happy moment with. I was never enamored with AKC...I never thought a breed championship made my dogs "better," I just liked hanging out with my dogs. I did some obedience with my lhasas, but let's face it....there aren't nearly as many venues available to compete with when you own lhasas as there are with border collies. (Although one of my lhasas did get to go on sheep.) My tastes started to turn from conformation to performance venues and I got Bizzie. My lhasas grew older and passed away. I still went to shows so I could see friends and keep up with them. I figured I'd show Bizzie since I was at the shows anyway (conformation shows are pretty boring and I liked having Biz along for company). I also got a chance to visit with my mother-in-law at shows. And, well, to be honest, if we visited at shows, she didn't have to come to my house and I didn't have to go to hers. Like many an alpha bitch, we got a long much better on neutral territory! Realistically, my $28.00 a day didn't make a difference to the vast and glorious AKC one way or another. I did get to see people that had been incredibly kind to me, that lived far away from me, and were unlikely to come to USDAA agility trials or sheep trials. From the 85 year old woman who wore flip flops in the ring and lived her life the way she darn well wanted to (whether you liked it or not!!) to the gentleman in Texas, an Apache Indian, who made me laugh so hard at dinner I almost fell out of chair, my lhasa friends were wonderful people. Sadly, many of them are no longer here, and their passing, like the passing of Bizzie, has left a huge hole in my heart. On the positive side I've also met some incredible people through border collies, agility, and herding....and life moves on! Whew...long posts....I apologize. Again, bottom line...I'm not soliciting approval for what I did, and I don't know the reasoning others had for finishing dogs....but I figured I could tell you my story. The story behind one dog and owner on the "Deregistration List." Ok...and it was SO much fun to beat that woman's dogs. I guess we all have our petty moments.
  2. Well, let's see. Hopefully I can answer the questions. First of all, in pointing out what the judge said, I certainly didn't mean to say that working ability can be assessed by looks. You can't judge working ability based on looks. When I decided to enter Bizzie in conformation I knew she was going to be judged against a written standard and that I was basically paying for one person's opinion on a given day. Honestly, the opinion didn't mean much to me in the end. I didn't expect to change the big picture but we had fun. My opinion and personal value of Bizzie didn't change at all whether she was a breed champion or not. I have to admit, also, that after years of showing grumpy lhasas, it was fun to show a dog that was SO MUCH FUN. It's not rocket science, but she free stacked, baited, moved around the ring on a loose lead (actually would have done it without one), and barked on command. There were many judges that enjoyed seeing her in the ring because she was actually animated and enjoying herself. Most show border collies look really flat in the ring. Bizzie's dam's side is all working lines. Her father was a Wynsota dog (old obedience lines) and some working lines. Bogey had his breed championship but wasn't bred for conformation. I think his owner just decided to put him the ring when bcs got full breed recognition. He was an obedience dog. While there were other dogs on her sire's side with obedience titles, none had breed championships. Bizzie was sort of the anti-glamorous show dog. Many judges weren't quite sure what do to because they knew she wasn't a smooth but she certainly had no hair. One well respected judge gave us the class and said she was a lovely bitch, too bad she was out of coat. I smiled, thanked her for my bookmark...oops...ribbon, and said that's as much hair as she ever had....with border collies it didn't matter. I'm the 1st to agree that with border collies it's what's between their ears that counts. You shouldn't breed for looks...long legs...short legs...whatever. But I thought it might interest people as to why I chose to do it.
  3. Here are a couple of pictures of the girl. Lordy how I miss her. Laura Wright
  4. Oh well...why not! Ziiiiiip...flame suit is on and fireproofing has been applied. I am Laura Wright and I was blessed and incredibly lucky to own deregistered WW Keep N Bizzie. Bizzie was a small 18.38" almost smooth rough coat, with gigantic prick ears, and a split face to boot. She was also incredibly cute. She was my first border collie and was game for any bizarre activity I could think of. We played at some herding (she never ran in open), got her CD, did some agility, danced (never competed), played around in rally, and yes, I finished her AKC championship. For the record, her breeder said she didn't care if I showed her or not...it was my decision. My 1st breed was lhasa apsos and I have showed a few other breeds. Conformation was FAR removed from my mind when I got her. I was more interested in owning/training a dog that wanted to please me. After years of lhasas, it was a welcome breath of fresh air. There is a woman down my neck of the woods who has imports and I ran into her frequently at shows. We debated working vs. conformation a few times....and quite frankly, I got tired of her and her dogs. Seriously...she was showing and finishing 16-17 inch bitches. She embodied all that I hated about conformation. I didn't have any more lhasas to show at the time and finally got to looking at Bizzie. Hmmm.....cute face....nice front.....little straight in the rear but not too bad....all those were positives. Now, she also was amazingly hairless on a good day, a split face, white factored with white spots in her hips and high white up her rear legs....not what you commonly see on show bred borders. However, I would have never changed a thing. I loved what was inside her head. I then read the AKC standard, such as it is, and figured why the hell not? At 6 I started showing her. We got dumped ALOT and certainly stood out....at 18" she was often the biggest bitch in the ring...BLECH!!! We did find some judges that liked her and put her up. The expressions on the other competitors faces when we won, was to me, worth all the deregistration in the world. One person actually asked the judge why they put her up and the judge, bless him, said that she was the only dog in the ring that looked like she could physically do the work she was supposed to. He said their bitches were too short, too long, and had too much bone. I just stood and grinned. We didn't change the world, nobody remembers when we were showing, but for the year or so we did it we had a blast. I spent HOURS at shows talking to the public and explaining why she didn't look like the others. People were really curious. I referred many people to rescues and working dog breeders. She finished her career with a Group 3...and loved every minute of it. She showed off, did tricks, ate in the ring and strutted her stuff a few weekends and spent the other part of the year racing around my field like a mad dog, going on sheep and ducks (loved ducks), doing agility, and being my best canine friend. I very seldom post here and pondered whether or not to even write this. But then I figured why not? Why not say why I did it? In one word it was plain spite. I got so tired of hearing that woman brag brag brag. Would I have shown her if Bizzie wasn't having fun? Nope. Did I spend oodles of time grooming her? Nope. In fact, at one show I realized I hadn't washed her in about 2 mos. Oops. Do I expect people to read this and go "wow...what you did is ok!" Absolutely not. I understand the position of people on this board and respect it. I also understood from the beginning what would happen if I finished her. I am proud of her offspring. One of her daughters did get her ABC registration via ROM. I have 3 bcs now...a Bizzie son and two granddaughters. Will I show them in conformation? Nah...once was enough. My youngest little girl is mighty cute and would probably finish...but I know the owners of her mom and dad would not like me to do it and I respect their wishes.
  5. I'll add my experience as well. I used to have 2 lhasas, mother and daughter. When the daughter turned 3, she started attacking her mother. There didn't have to be toys present, food, household activity, etc. going on. Her mother could be under a table sleeping and her daughter, 15 feet away, would run over and jump her. The daughter was trying to kill her mother. We tried to manage the situation. They were always supervised, crated when we left them, both were spayed, both were tested for thyroid, both did obedience, etc. Heck, I even contacted an animal communicator. All would be quiet for months and we would let down our guard a bit, then another attack. These attacks were very bloody and resulted in multiple punctures, torn ears, etc. I would work on keeping them separate but always felt bad for the one dog that was put up. The other dogs in the house (2 bcs and a papillon) were never involved in the fights but were very stressed. All it would take was for a door to be left open, someone to forget that mom was loose inside when they let daughter in from the outside. I can remember spending HOURS working with the daughter. I let this situation continue for about 3-4 years before things really started to go downhill. The daughter started getting snippy with other dogs in the house and snapped at my mother. I didn't feel comfortable rehoming the daughter because I couldn't feel 100% sure that she was only going to be aggressive with her mother and couldn't take the chance that someone else might get hurt. I adored both of these dogs. Finally, one night I was in the laundryroom with the mother and the daughter was on the other side of the babygate. My husband brought in some laundry and the daughter slipped in, and another fight broke out. This time the daughter was the one injured when her mother got one of her eyes. We went to the ER, and after an hour of absolute hysterics on my part, and lots of discussion with the vets, I decided to have the daughter put down. She was only 7 years old. On the drive home I felt horrible...like I'd failed her and my other dogs. I went into the house and was struck by how peaceful it was. Yes, even with two bcs, one papillon and one elderly cranky lhasa, everyone was happy. For the 1st time all the dogs could be out all the time. I could give them bones and not worry. I could give them attention and no one took offense...heck, we could watch tv with dogs sleeping around us and all remained calm. My old lhasa girl lived out her remaining in peace and quiet. She was a very happy dog and became more outgoing with every passing day. I miss her daughter a great deal, but realize I had no other choice. I decided then and there that I could put up with a mulitude of issues in my pack, but I would never put up with this kind of aggression again. It wasn't until it was over that I realized how miserable it had been. I'm not telling this long tale (sorry about the length) to say your situation will end like mine. I hope it doesn't. But you really don't want to let it go on for as long as I did. Like I said, I wasn't aware of how bad it had been until it was over. From your posts it seems like you are taking it seriously, and I know the 1st reaction is I can fix this. Perhaps you can. Dogs are all different. But again, don't let a situation drag out...it's not fair to the humans or the dogs. I loved the daughter with all of my heart, but I know I was responsible for putting her mother through hell for 3 or 4 years....and for that, I am SO sorry. No dog deserves to go through life afraid. I truly do sympathize with you.
  6. Thanks for all of the replies...it's flyer for a recent event. I just wanted to check if there was an organization I wasn't aware of.
  7. http://www.cherohala.org/images/imagesfore...yer%20FINAL.pdf Here's the link to the referenced organization. You might have to cut and paste the info. The flyer references having ABCHA certified working border collies and being an ABCHA member. Anyone?
  8. I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this, but I've come across a reference to the American Border Collie Handlers Association and wondered if someone could tell me about it. It says that they have sanctioned trials? I can't find anything about it online other than one or two references to the organization? Thanks!
  9. Interesting article... Although I know the author was simply trying to make a point, having completed an international adoption and nearing the one year anniversary of bringing our son home, I can assure everyone that adopting a stray is NOT harder than adopting a child! Now, I will say that having our biological daughter was easier for me in many ways than whelping my 1st litter of bc puppies. Nobody ever asked me if I'd had my hips checked, my hearing tested, my eyes checked out, and why I thought my husband and I were worthy of reproducing!!!!
  10. I just bought 4 new 6" latigo leashes from Max200 and LOVE them. I paid about $10.00 per leash and the quality is GREAT. They come in 3 colors and you can get get lengths from 2 feet up to 6 feet.
  11. I have 3 bcs; the boy is 6.5 years old, one girl is 16 mos. old and the other girl is 6 mos. old. Oh my. I certainly wasn't looking for another puppy 5 mos. ago but it was a case of "right puppy but BAD time." Anyway, I got the second puppy because she was just too darn nice to turn down. While I haven't regretted my decision, it has been a tremendous amount of work. I'm so ready for puppyhood to be be over...and I only have another year or two to go!!!
  12. I had issues with my girl when she was about 4-5 years old. She had an impacted anal gland that ruptured and then we couldn't get it to heal. There were about 3-4 open, draining infected areas around her anus that lasted for months. We did everything from topical ointment to antibiotics to chinese medicine and tea bags. Yup...I held tea bags on my girl's butt 3 times a day for a week. Needless to say we both LOVED that treatment! It certainly made it hard to relax with a nice cup of tea afterwards! Finally after months of messing around my vet put her on a big dose of prednisone and then we slowly weaned her off it. I can't remember if we did antibiotics at the same time but seem to recall that we did. Anyway, after a loooooooong process, the pred. did the trick very quickly. Her lesions were never as deep as some of the ones that I read about when I was doing research, but they were nasty. She never had any other problems with that area. I think there are several different things to try and this is just what worked for us. I don't like steriods but we'd reached the point where we were pretty desperate to try anything. From what I read this is not the treatment of choice, but it did work for us. I've had good results for other health issues (elbow hygromas) using treatments that weren't the ones most favored, so I figured why not give it a try. For the record, she had a very low tail set...very shepherd like. Good luck and I hope your pup finds some relief!
  13. I don't know what makes them glow...but one nearly gave me a heart attack a few years ago. I was sleeping in bed and woke up...only to see a mysterious green orb floating above me in bed...I was very freaked out. Then the ghost gave a muffled "whoo whoo" and I realized it was my doofus boy Dan trying to get a game going with his buddy glow ball in his mouth while he stood on the bed. Oh my....took a while to recover
  14. Ok....I'll play. Dan is named Dan from the movie O Brother Where Art Thou. George Cloony's hair pomade was Dapper Dan brand. We just finished watching it when we named him. Possum is named Possum because she looked like one when she was born. She remains the Awesome Possum. Kelda's name comes from author Terry Pratchett's books, the discworld series. Crivens!!!
  15. I'm not sure where to post this. I was at the website reading about the ROM and its requirements and wonder if anyone knows about how many dogs have earned this over the years?
  16. I tell you, the baby corral was GREAT! I don't know about other people's dogs, but if I sit on the floor, I'm surrounded by curious faces looking at me like "whatcha doing? Can we join you? Huh? Huh? Huh?" So I knew that if the baby was on the floor, they'd do the same thing...which would lead to lots of corrections, telling the dogs to go lie down, etc. This way they could stand/sit right up by the fence and watch WITHOUT getting in trouble. I tried to set them up for sucess. As the child gets more mobile they can go over the fence and start to interact. Usually the first thing that happens is that a bc drops a tennis ball over the fence....then the baby picks it up and licks it...blech! But VERY soon the dogs bring a ball and the baby learns to drop it back outside the fence...dogs drop it back in...baby puts it back out....everyone has fun and I can sit and watch and be very relaxed about it. When the corral came down, with both children, the adjustment was fine. The dogs were already used to them and didn't run over to nose them....they just went about their business. The children were also used to the dogs. On another note....babies grow up! Babies turn into toddlers and then preschoolers....and at each stage they have lots and lots of toys! Here's the house rule regarding toys and dogs that made for fewer tears and tantrums on the part of the children. Once the child is old enough to fully understand, if they leave a toy out and the dogs eat it, oh well! Bye bye toy! If they put a toy up and the dogs manage to find it and eat it, mom buys them a replacement asap. My 5 year old picks up her toys REALLY fast when I tell her the dogs are coming in! Now the 18 mos. old is still feeding his toys to the dogs, but the only victims so far have been some Playskool Little People.
  17. Awwwww.....what great pictures!!!!!! Here's one of our crew...everyone scrubbed up and posing...it only took us 135 shots to get this one!
  18. I think the key factor in having kids and dogs together is absolute vigilance. You can NEVER allow them to be together unsupervised. It can be done but it is had work. I've had two mishaps since my daughter was born. When my daughter was 2 she poured a cup of hot tea down the back of my older bc girl (I was about 5 feet away and had left the mug where she could reach it) but I was lucky in the fact that the tea wasn't that hot and my girl wasn't badly burned. Her skin turned pink and I felt horrible because I had failed to protect her. Another time my daughter was sitting on the kitchen floor and I made the mistake of telling the dogs to go outside. MY 18 mos. old bc boy mowed right over her in his excitement to go outside. Luckily she wasn't hurt and again, I felt horrible. Sooo....it's a balancing act to keep dogs and children safe from each other! It is worth it, though, in the long run. Even though my youngest child is just 18 mos. old, he really enjoys being around the dogs, throwing the ball for them, talking to them, etc. He's learning not bother them when they go in their crates, not to grab noses, coat, ears, tails, etc. They're learning not to plow into him and to watch what their doing when they back up. Oh yes...he's also learning to use a napkin when his hands are messy during dinner instead of hanging his hands over the side of the highchair to have them licked clean. Blech....you could tell he was so proud when he discovered this particular method of hand washing!
  19. well, I'll tell you what worked for me! I had 5 dogs when my daughter was born almost 6 years ago: 2 borders, 2 lhasas, and a papillon. The 1st thing I did was enforce a no dog on the furniture rule (that went over SO well with the lhasas) and then I worked some on general manners. When I brought my daughter home from the hospital my husband held her outside the house and I went in and greeted the pack. They were very excited and I could deal with them without worrying about bumping my daughter, etc. I also let them follow me around when I had her. They could come into her room if invited, etc. I also had the "baby corral." I got two expens and put them together in a huge square with a new area rug and this was the baby's private floorspace. She could have tummy time, etc., without curious wet noses poking around and the dogs didn't get into trouble for being curious. As she grew older, she got used to seeing the dogs and they got used to seeing her at eye level. Of course my daughter spent time all over the house and wasn't always confined, but it was nice to have her dog free zone. I also think it helped the dogs get used to her because with the exception of a fenced off area, they could wander around the house as usual. I didn't suddenly confine them to one area or have to stick them outside when she was on the floor, etc. Once she started walking, the fence came down. I always supervised any interaction between her and the pack, but it was very peaceful for the most part. When we adopted our son this past summer he was 11 mos. old. The baby corral went back up. He'd never seen a dog and I wasn't sure how he'd react...once again, he had a secure area to get to know them and since our pack had changed (now 3 borders and a PON), the 2 dogs who had never seen an infant got to see how one moves, what they sound like, etc. Once he was really walking, the corral came down. I'm happy to report that he loves the dogs and they love him! I tried really hard not bring home a baby and bamn! completely change the dogs' day to day routine. We made some adjustments prior to the baby, but really took advantage of those early months when baby was home to GRADUALLY introduce any necessary changes. Like I said, I had no problem with dogs in the nursery as long as they came only when invited. We pretty much did everything together....and both of my children have spent a great deal of time eating all meals with various dogs sacked out under the highchair waiting for goodies! I also made sure that the dogs got lots of attention when baby was sleeping...they still see the evenings after the kids are in bed as "our time."
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