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  1. But Scotch Collies are not Border Collies. They're not trying to make Border Collies.Why should they be held to the same standards if they're not Border Collies? General purpose farm collie. That's all they need to be. I'm done guys. You can't compare this breed to a BC and that seems to be all anyone is wanting to do. I just posted this because I thought people would find it interesting. I'm going to go enjoy my collie pup.
  2. Working dog and herding dog don't have to be the same thing. Working farm dog could be the cur that hides under the front porch and barks at intruders. I do know of someone (on Facebook...so not personally) who applied for registration and they're waiting on approval....they were told they needed to send a video of working ability. Anyone with a farm collie can add their dog to the database, though. They are 2 separate things. Is it a scam? I dunno. I know they don't register whole litters like the AKC and will only register individual dogs. There are no "shows" or "contests" or ribbons. I think there's a picnic in July, but unless someone is awarded a quart of potato salad for the prettiest dog, I'm going with a legit effort to produce quality dogs.
  3. I think "another generic dog that looks like a herding dog" IS the breed standard. The ultimate generic collie dog. Maybe my memory is faulty, but I don't remember Lassie doing a lot of herding. She was more concerned about keeping Timmy out of trouble.....lol.
  4. From the site: Breed Standard/Purpose The Old-Time Scotch Collie has always been a landrace breed, having never been made to conform to a rigid standard, rather being predominantly selected based on the needs of the farmer, this “standard” does not seek to change that but rather to define the breed and distinguish it from other breeds that have descended from the Scotch Collie. Towards maintaining the Old-Time Scotch Collie as a landrace breed this standard is intended as a broad set of descriptions with plenty of room for individual breeders preferences and different dog types that all fall within the spectrum of looks that make up the Old-Time Scotch Collie landrace. Overall Appearance The Old-Time Scotch Collie is a well-balanced, athletic, alert and intelligent dog. The overall emphasis is on moderation with no part exaggerated or out of proportion like the long nose or superabundant coat of the modern Rough Collie. The original Scotch Collie was a rugged working dog, able to cope with various situations and environments easily, sound in body and mind, likewise our modern dogs should show this same heartiness and versatility whether they are used as hard-working farm dogs or as faithful companions. Temperament The Old-Time Scotch Collie should be steady, bold, sensible, quick to learn and responsive. Content to lie about when not needed but ready to spring into action at a minutes notice, reserved with strangers, yet never snappy, vicious or shy. Biddability, sagacity, intelligence and reciprocity are the hallmark of the breed. While hyper-activity, shyness, cowardice, inane stock chasing, excessive barking, lack of watchfulness or low intelligence are serious faults. Size and Substance Females measure 20 to 23 inches and weigh between 40 and 60 pounds. Males should measure 22 to 25 inches and weigh between 45 and 70 pounds. In proportion slightly longer than tall, lean and fit, neither bulky and heavy-bodied nor and frail and spindly. Head Moderate length, neither too long like modern Rough Collies, nor too short like some lines of English Shepherd, with a moderate and well defined stop. A moderately flat, wide skull with a stop is an essential feature distinguishing the Old-Time Scotch Collie from the modern Rough Collie. Pick-headed types, overly narrow or overly wide heads and too-long heads are faults. Muzzle should not be overly long nor too short, teeth have a scissors bite, jaw is neither undershot nor overshot. Lips tight and well-fitted. Ears Medium size, pointed at the tip, erect or partly erect when alert, lying close to the head when relaxed. Never should ears be overly long or droopy showing any inclination towards hound or spaniel ears. Eyes Variable from round to almond with a slight oblique set, never should eyes be overly small. Eyes should express shrewd intelligence, and willingness to please. Brown in color, except in the case of merles when one or both eyes may be blue or streaked with blue. Body Slightly long compared with height, back firm with a slight rise over loins; ribs well sprung, chest deep, fairly broad behind shoulders. Abdomen moderately tucked up. Tail Moderately long with sweep toward end. Natural bobtails are acceptable up to eight inches long. Gay tails are acceptable. Gait Viewed from the front at a fast trot, legs are straight, front feet stay close together. Viewed from the side, the reasonable long, reaching stride is smooth and even, keeping the back line firm and level. Hind-legs powerful with plenty of drive. A reasonably long stride is desirable and should be light and appear effortless. Coat Dense double coat, outer coat straight and harsh to the touch, under coat soft and furry. Over 2″ in length, most abundant on tail, breeches, mane and frill, smooth on face, front of forelegs and below the hocks. Overly thin coat, lack of undercoat and excessively heavy or long coat are faults. Color All colors and markings are acceptable. The most common colors are: Sable, either clear or shaded, ranging from light gold tones to deep mahogany red, with or without white markings. Black with white and/or tan markings; blue merle with white and/or tan markings. Other colors may include: predominantly white; chocolate/red; red merle; slate blue/gray; slate blue/gray merle; gray. White markings consist of all or some of the following: White face blaze, collar, chest, feet, tail tip. Defining Characteristics The Scotch Collies of 100 years ago, like those found today, were a highly versatile dog capable of adapting and thriving in a multitude of situations. Not every OTSC may have the ability to demonstrate the characteristics below but we would like to think that they all have the ability given the proper circumstances. Biddable – meekly ready to accept and follow instructions; docile and obedientIntelligence – dogs of outstanding, and sometimes surprising intelligence.Herding – the ability and desire to move livestockHunting – the desire to pursue and/or kill wild game or farm-yard verminGuardian – the natural inclination to bark at and chase off strange animals or people, also protecting livestock from predators. So, yes. It does give appearance standards, but geez....could it be much looser? And there are 2 separate areas that address temperament and working standards.
  5. Thanks! He is rather cute, isn't he? I can't wait to see how he develops!
  6. Herding isn't the only job on a farm and maybe some small hobby farmers don't have the need for a strong herder like a Border Collie and prefer a more general purpose farm dog that doesn't require as high an activity level. But there are also people like me. I grew up with collies and hate what the AKC closed registries have done to the breed. I'm excited to think that just maybe I will have a beautiful (yes....I love the way they look) collie who will be a gentle, healthy, loving companion dog. I don't want a high energy herding breed. I would be a horrible owner for a Border Collie now, though I have had and enjoyed them in the past, but my energy level isn't what it used to be. Maybe having a choice of breed is a good enough reason to try and pull the rough collie back to its roots.
  7. Sorry, I forgot that sometimes people don't pick up on sarcastic humor. Of course I realize that it's too early to expect him to be 100% house trained. It was a joke. The registry is just a data base. They want as many dogs in the data base as they can get at this point so they can see what's out there. And the AKC has already gotten their hands on this breed....it's called the Rough Collie. This association is trying to get the rough collie back to its working roots....the Scotch collie landrace breed.
  8. From what I understand, the Scotch collie was the "general purpose" farm dog who could do some herding and vermin control and act as a watch dog. So I would imagine the herding style would be very loose. And I agree that this is a large undertaking that may be not be successful but I do know they are keeping an open registry and allowing out crossing to increase the gene pool, so time will tell. I do know our little guy is smart and fearless. We picked him up this Monday at 8 weeks old and he's already got a 90% "sit", "down" and "roll over". Now if we could just get the house training part....
  9. Been a long, long time since I've posted here. We lost our lovely Finn shortly before Christmas (for those who may remember, we got Finn from a Border Collie rescue in Tennessee, but we feel he was actually an English Shepherd). He had chronic kidney failure and we couldn't pull him out of a crisis despite round the clock IV fluids, so we had to make that horrible decision everyone here understands far too well. Since I have always loved farm collies, I started searching for another rescue from Border Collie and English Shepherd sites, but wasn't having much luck - we have moved to Michigan and none of the rescues close by had any dogs that were cat friendly. But I did run across something interesting. There is an organization that is working hard to bring back the Old Time Scotch Collie and low and behold there was a breeder 2 hours away with a litter on the ground. The organization has started a registry for any proven farm dog with the scotch collie look trying to keep this old breed from disappearing. We went to the farm to check out the litter and see the dam and sire (small 10 acre farm with sheep and ducks) and decided to get a male pup. We've named him Tweed (partially in honor of another handsome Tweed that I understand has passed on - partially for the river in Scotland and partially because his coat, well, looks like tweed). The dam was a beautiful clear sable girl with a nice moderate coat and that wonderful collie face - longish nose, but with a stop at the forehead like nature intended and a sweet disposition. The sire was a tri with a fuller coat, but still not that ridiculous overblown coat show collies are known for and his energy and attitude were outstanding. Anyway - I thought of this board and the interest people here have in preserving working farm dogs and figured a few of you would find it interesting that there may be hope for that old, wonderful breed after all. Here's the link to the registry site if anyone would like to learn more: http://www.scotchcollie.org/ And, of course, a picture or two of our new boy:
  10. Haven't posted here in a long time, but I saw this video and thought you all would enjoy it. Didn't see it posted here, yet. Sheep farmer with his BC checking on the flocks in an ultralight plane.
  11. I've ordered bully sticks from E-Pets Boutique and they were fine. No fancy packaging.....just the loose sticks in a box....but for the price I certainly wouldn't complain. They're a bit on the aromatic side, but the dogs love 'em. 12 inch sticks for $1.99 each ($1.89 each if you order 100 or more) 6 inch sticks for $.99 each ($.94 each if you order 100 or more)
  12. Ah, poor doggie! I do some chicken training treats you might want to try. They're a little labor intensive to make, but if you make a ton at a time it's not too bad. What I do is take boneless, skinless chicken breasts and stick them in the freezer until they're "soft frozen".....in other words, they're icy but not frozen solid. Then I take a really sharp knife and slice them into paper thin "chips" (you can't slice them thin enough if you don't soft freeze the chicken first). Then I layer the chips on a broiling pan (spray with cooking spray or they'll stick) and bake them really slowly (225 degrees) so that they dehydrate and get really crispy(you could probably use a dehydrator if you've got one). They end up looking like this: They're really low calorie and low fat, they're easy to break into smaller pieces, and both my dogs (and the cat) go nuts over them.
  13. Aww, look at those cute little pink puppy toes!
  14. There's a pretty famous cat who has a perfect record. Oscar, the Death Cat. From the article: When death is near, Oscar nearly always appears at the last hour or so. Yet he shows no special interest in patients who are simply in poor shape, or even patients who may be dying but who still have a few days. Animal behavior experts have no explanation for Oscar's ability to sense imminent death. They theorize that he might detect some subtle change in metabolism -- felines are as acutely sensitive to smells as dogs -- but are stumped as to why he would show interest. "It may just come down to empathy," said Dr. Nicholas H. Dodman, a leading behaviorist and professor at Tufts University's Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine, when told about Oscar's eerie knack. In any event, when Oscar settles beside a patient on the bed, caregivers take it as sign that family members should be summoned immediately to bid their loved one farewell. "We've come to recognize him hopping on the bed as one indicator the end is very near," said Mary Miranda, charge nurse in the Safe Haven Advanced Care Unit, the formal name of the surprisingly cheery floor that is home to 41 patients suffering in the final stages of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, stroke, and other mentally debilitating diseases. "Oscar's been consistently right." I have chronic "sneezeanal" allergies and the post nasal drip makes me cough. Finn will jump on the bed and lie down on top of my chest if I start coughing at night. And of course, everyone knows the best thing in the world for a cough is a 50 pound weight on your chest.
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