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  1. ... and again we're off topic again.


    This topic was about how to keep the ACK out of the picture for registering. Between Eileen's contract and the NB on the ABCA papers I will be able to accomplish that.


    If anyone wants to discuss something else you will have to send me an email. I am going out of town and will have my Blackberry so I can receive/send emails but I won't be getting on this list.


    Thanks for all your help

  2. From your website:

    "i only breed when i want a puppy for myself

    *** next litter is planned for 2013 or 2014."


    I put that on there so that people don't think that I'm a breeder.


    Like I said .... I never wanted to breed, I wish I could've found a dog I liked so I didn't have to breed, and breeding is a pain in the a** not only for all the work it entails but also because of all the people that believe I have to answer to them or some higher power.


    If this litter works out like I hope I may repeat the breeding in 3 years or so .... but I really hope not.

  3. Dave ... c'mon Dave ...


    How can you say ... "This is just another reason why I didn't want to breed, and have never bred in the past..." when on Facebook in November you said: "After trying to breed my dog for the last 2 years she finally tied with my newest dog. She never tied before, AI never worked, taking her somewhere else didn't work. Guess I'll find-out in 5 weeks or so. I've never bred a dog in my life." What's with all the flip-flopping? This isn't like you, Dave.



    As I told you before ... I never wanted to breed - been saying that for over 20 years - but did plan to breed this one dog, one time. I knew it would be a pain in the a** and that I would take a lot of flack from the "elitist" USBCHA dog handlers because her pedigree wasn't right and I had not gone to Nationals with her and blah and blah ....


    I flip-flopped a lot because of her AKC pedigree but after being told by non-AKC people and USBCHA people that don't compete in AKC that I should breed her .. I decided to. I wanted a dog for myself and now I have it. I bought dogs from top handlers and wasn't impressed so I bred my own dog.


    Will I ever breed again .. probably not ... Will I ever run in USBCHA Nationals ... probably not - not enough time or money .... Will I have good working dogs .... HELL YA ...


    For me it's about how a dog works ... not a title, not winning a class at some trial, and surely not a pedigree. I love the way she works and love the way Dollar works ... so I tried it... Only time will tell if I made the right decision.

  4. Dave,

    Of course you don't need to drown your litter, and you're just being overly dramatic about it. But I would suggest th


    Thanks for replying Julie ... and NO .. I'm not going to drown my litter.


    This is just another reason why I didn't want to breed, and have never bred in the past.


    Going to feed and work dogs...

  5. Enough about your litter. Puppies may not be offered for sale on this site, either directly or indirectly.


    I did wonder about the timing of this sudden burst of attention-seeking posts. . . .


    Eileen ... this all started with my question about how to keep AKC from registering pups ... it has snowballed since ....


    Going back to lurking and replying every once in a while when work will allow - work is slow now so I have more time for this .... This tread has run it's course ...

  6. You guys... Moot. It's moot. Not mute.

    (Sorry. It's a personal problem... I just can't stand incorrect spelling/usage. :lol: )


    LOL ... I bug my wife all the time about that Rick Springfield song where he says "Moot" and I argue that it should be Mute !!!! LOL

  7. I know that over the last few years as we came around to understanding what we are doing I have unknownly done the same thing, and I know that I have made adjustments on my site when I realized the error in my thinking. There is a balance when your advertising via the internet and sometimes the way you intend it is not


    I really do appreciate you bringing this up to my attention. I will make the change tonight after I get home.

  8. These are both interesting treads. :)


    Just a question:

    Would you sell a pup to someone who use to or still competes in akc?



    No offence but both parents have the potential to be great dogs so I would like to keep the pups in working homes and not with AKC. However, from what I'm reading on these posts I should probably just drown the whole litter because the dam is AKC and the sire comes from an AKC person.


    So I'm trying to do the right thing but I'm being told that there is no way .... I guess I'm stuck !!! HHHUUMMM ... now what ??????


    I'm open to suggestions ...


    Same with "Open Field", open field meaning in a open field or on a Open Course of a USBCHA sanctioned trial...




    I am not trying to deceive anyone - I was just stating that I've tried it all and came back to USBCHA trials - but if that's what you are thinking ... you're probably not the only one so I'll change the terminology to keep the peace.

  10. Hey Dave, do you think that it is decietful when a handler advertises that their dog(s) and themselves are proven at the highest level when they have only competed in Novice or Ranch at a trial that had a Open and Nursery class that was sanctioned with USBCHA or when they competed at a unsanctioned trial that was judged with a course design as described by ISDS?




    I have just moved to Open and before ran in Open Ranch .. which is the whole course without the shed..


    I never claimed to be a Big Hat or that I won an Open class trial.


    That claim is really mute since no USBCHA handler will ever look at my dogs or pups because there are ACK dogs and breeders in there. So really I am selling this litter to small farm and ranch homes .. and pet homes.


    Are you planning on coming over to Larry's or Roy's this spring for their sheepdog trials?




    I committed to a sheepdog demo in Ponca City on the weekend of Roy's trial - not sure if I can make Larry's because my work schedule is not out for May yet. I sure would like to. Bree should be back up to trial shape by then .. I hope. My Dollar dog might be ready by then.

  12. Hey Dave, let them know that some of us up here in Iowa and Nebraska are talking about coming down that way more often.


    I was told that we need to quit beating up on each other and travel other places a bit





    Hi Deb,


    You and yours have a place to train here in Collinsville. Sheep and goats only .. sorry .. no cattle. I'm also sure that Tom and Ruth Hines would love to have you over to work cattle - they are good people - but you may want to ask them .... and not take my word for it !!! LOL


    We have a playday coming up on Feb 12th at Tom and Ruth's.

  13. Not sure if this will make since but...

    I put Dave in the same catagory as the "big hats" that say they will stud their open dog out to a lesser maybe even ACK d




    The only hat I wear is one of those beanies with a propeller on it !!!!


    Are you saying that I should sever all ties with anything AKC or anyone dealing with AKC ? Seems kinda harsh doesn't it ?


    Are you running cattle to, or only sheep? Will you be coming to the Arkansas trial on the 5th, Tom, Ruth and Dave were at the last one I came down to a few weeks back. I'm debating about whether or not I want to come over to Prairie Grove, I have to be down that way that weekend anyway provided the weather is good for travel.


    Hi Debbie,


    I only own, train, and trial on sheep. I've worked cattle a couple times but it's really not my thing.


    I might get some cattle after we move back to our bigger spread of land in the couple years - after the kids graduate and move on .... Focusing on sheep and goats .... demos on ducks.


    And if you cannot drive/crossdrive 200yards w/o yelling and cursing your dog then your dog needs to be trained or have it's hearing checked to see if it cannot hear you.


    I have read all the posts here BTW. But you still come across as an advocate for running BC's in AKC trials. I also see you fishing for ways to get more dogs into the AKC coffers, but then I am paranoid :unsure:;)


    I don't yell and curse at my dog .... where did you come up with that one ???? There is no need to yell if you train and have a good working relationship with your dog. Maybe that's your problem but it's not mine.


    Pam ... aren't you an AKC herding judge !!!! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !!!!

  16. There is really no surefire way to block AKC registration of pups except by not breeding dogs.


    If you had no plans to breed WHY do you have pups? Was it an oops litter? If ABCA registered will you put them on NB papers so any that go into AKC will not be eligible for pups being registered with ABCA?


    Oh and BTW was that trial w/Glyn Jones in the KC area ?


    I am willing to bet I know many of the buckle chasers you mention and many are AKC people too so their attitude doesn't surprise me.



    Glyn Jones trial was at Thad Fleming's in Missouri.


    The buckle chasers are the USBCHA cattle folk out here....

  17. I can honestly say that it seems Dave is definitely playing a game here, he calls it "devil's advocate" others might call it "trolling". Before we all spend a lot of valuable dog training time on this subject, here's what five minutes on the internet told me about Dave and his "anti-AKC" sentiment.


    Concerning his border collies- Bree (Lock-Eye Breezin Around Ewe), he stated he saw the AKC Agility Nationals in her future (paraphrasing here) when he bought her in a letter on the website of her breeder- since the breeder registers "AKC and ABCA on request", and he was contemplating the AKC Agility nationals, she is probably dual registered. He has been an AKC B Course director, which he freely admits to being, and his other dog is related to an AKC Kennel owned by a herding judge/breeder, I'm taking a leap (and I freely admit it here- total supposition on my part) Dollar is dual registered as well. So how can you really care about preventing dual registration?


    Good research job ..... I was training for agility and I bought my Bree dog for Agility. I then discovered herding and that was the end of agility and obedience. Of course the breeder wants to push this dog because of her accomplishments .... she can sell more puppies. Do I plan on going back to AKC trialing ...NO .... Will I still help my friends who run other breeds in AKC herding ... YES ...


    I bought Dollar from a friend of mine that is an AKC person but runs USBCHA cattle. She is a good friend and a great teacher. Dollar was sold to me with USBCHA papers only.


    I always said I wouldn't breed but here I am with a litter on the ground. I am trying to do what's best for the pups and for the breed.


    My dogs are related to AKC lines and I'm trying to get away from that ... hence my question about blocking AKC registration.


    Ask me any question you want and I'll answer it....


    The last tread went south which is why I had to stop it.


    Thanks for all your help,

  18. I was responding to someone who posted that titles are "ridiculous and meaningless," accepting his premise. My response to you (which you have not replied to) is in post #193.


    I was the one that said that titles were ridiculous and meaningless. Here is why I said that even though I was playing Devil's Advocate that's one thing I couldn't support.


    I said that because I started in USBCHA with my dog. We did well and moved up from Novice to Ranch. We were still learning and she was 2 yrs. old. I went over to AKC to see what it was all about and managed to get her Advanced titles ( Herding Excellent A and B course ) on sheep before she turned 3.. and placed 1st in most trials. By AKC standards she was a Top Dog.


    I then went back to USBCHA trials and got my a** handed to me !!!! LOL .... Which is why I'd rather spend my money on USBCHA trials.... people are more fun and the competition much better.


    .... as stated earlier I stopped this conversation because I took it too far and it was not my intention to support the AKC ... I was trying to get a discussion going by playing Devil's Advocate..... MY FAULT ...


    If this helps at all ... I got my better responses on this list than I did on Facebook.

  19. Hi Dave,




    Here is the section from Eileen Stein's puppy contract that covers it:


    "" 3. The Buyer shall not register the puppy or permit the puppy to be registered with the American Kennel Club (AKC). Because the parties recognize that precise damages for breach of this provision might be difficult to ascertain, the parties hereby agree that the Buyer will be liable for damages in the amount of a minimum of $1,000.00 in the event of any breach by the Buyer of this provision of the contract. ""







    Can I use the above statement in my puppy contract ? How enforceable is it ?


    Thanks ....

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