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  1. You misunderstand me. I'm not assuming that this has nothing to do with physical causes. I'm just asking for advice on behavioral ones. That being said. I really don't need sarcasm right now. I'm dealing with enough between Gunnar's issues and Rhea's to top it off. Thanks for your advice I do appreciate it.
  2. Best reason I can give you to why I have this idea is because I know my dog. I know his behavior, I know his looks. I'm not ignoring that the medication can have an effect on his appetite, I imagine it does. However, I'm also considering years and years of past experience with this pup on medication. Also, if it was just him feeling like trash he wouldn't want his treats as eagerly as he does. If I were to put a small pile of his kibble in front of him and a carrot as well he would eat the carrot and leave the kibble to the kitty (who is amazingly not picky). Oh I wanted to point out that the last thing he had was not a UTI the vet was sure of that. He tested negative for all those symptoms. She had a theory that he had an infection in his urethra which can be caused from excess...uh..cleaning...which this boy can be bad about. With some antibiotics it cleared up. This time he had crystals in his urine. Poor pup... Thanks for all your input everyone!
  3. Valid point. Perhaps I shouldn't wait him out and see if he eats regularly again. He is pretty fond of yogurt and that doesn't seem to upset his stomach, I could add that to his kibble. No, she didn't do a sterile urine tap. She suggested an ultrasound...should I bring this up? Our old trick of adding olive oil didn't work either. That's kind of why I was thinking it had something more to do with being nervous and having a negative reaction to feeding time. Maybe he just really hates Taste of the Wild...
  4. This is honestly my greatest fear. I'm waiting for one of the epileptics to come down with cancer because that would just be our luck. I think the first time she checked his white blood cell count and it was outside of the range they look for for cancer but I may ask again. I'm thought of the egg mixture thing actually. It's a good option if he persists in not eating. Anybody ever have a dog stop eating because of nerves?
  5. If it comes down to it we will. We're kind of going along with the advice of our vet at this point. We'll do the blood panel if she asks for it. What kind of things should I look for in his mouth? We brush their teeth fairly often (just did so on Sunday actually) and can check ourselves. If it persists this may end up being what we do.... I'd like to avoid it as much as possible but as they get older I imagine it will become necessary.
  6. Hey when I said "ill" I meant vomiting. I tried to make that clear, sorry for the confusion. Yes he has some sort of urinary tract infection and yes he's gone to the vet and gotten checked over. Thus the drugs. I think his last blood work was at the end of last year to check all his levels (seizure medication protocol and what not). Also, the first time this happened he got the full typical work up for anything urinary related. Everything came back negative. This time his urine sample had a few crystals in it. So if the antibiotics don't clear it up we'll be going in for an ultrasound. Really hoping the antibiotics help. The first time he had the issue I believe we had his thyroid levels checked. He is on thyroid medication as part of his seizure control regiment and that was my first thought too. I'm pretty sure I remember his thyroid levels being normal. Thanks for your sympathy. It certainly is a pain in the rump. We absolutely took him to the vet as soon as his symptoms returned to get checked out. Yeah epilepsy is a demon. Luckily (knock on wood) he hasn't had a seizure recently (yay!). He's never had problems eating post seizure though... He's a happy go lucky chap once he comes out of it. We haven't tried mixing in treats yet...and I'm reluctant to because I don't want him getting used to that and I think he'd just pick out the carrots...
  7. Hi everyone...wow it's been a very long time since I've posted on here. After the pups developed epilepsy I sort of clung onto the epilepsy group and stopped posting here all together. However this problem requires a keen understand of the Border Collie mind and I know there's nowhere else I can go. Ok, maybe I could go to a behaviorist but before that, I'll try here. Little back ground since I'm probably new to most of you these days. Gunnar is our male Border Collie (we have 2 females as well) and is just over 9 years old. For nearly 8.5 years he's eaten like a champ. When they were younger, they used to free feed and as they were older he would inhale his food and do a "victory lap" around the kitchen after he finished (well before the girls). For the last 2-3 years we've been on the same food (Taste of the Wild) and same flavor. Mostly because we found a food they liked that didn't spike seizures (they're crazy sensitive). His eager eating started to taper off and he'd eat slower and slower and then in December of last year he got a strange urinary infection and started having accidents in the house. We disciplined him and in hindsight, we should not have. I personally believe that we hurt his ego and shortly thereafter, he started turning his nose up at his food. At first we blamed it on boredom and tried other flavors of Taste of the Wild (because he'd eagerly take his treat of a carrot before we left for work so he was still hungry). That was hit or miss and we eventually ended back on "old trusty" the flavor we'd been buying for the last few years. Everything seemed to be on the mend. His infection subsided and he was eating more normally but still not eagerly like before. I don't think his ego ever rebounded though actually that is a much bigger issue. Let me elaborate on that. Gunnar Mr. Scaredy Pants: I'm not sure when it began but Gunnar went from being a confident stud to being nervous in our house. My husband and I can't even talk to each other (in joyful tones even) without him cowering and going to hide. I swear to everything that's good and holy, we haven't beaten the living daylights out of him. They rarely get smacked at all anymore (only when they do something REALLY wrong which again, is super rare these days). We even try to avoid telling him no or things of that nature lately. When he used to lay down near us when we're on the couch, now he hides/lays under the desk behind us, in the corner of the kitchen table in the other room or in the "nook" that the back door makes with the back stair case. We've tried to increase our amount of trick training to boost his ego. But that doesn't seem to help. He's not being bullied by the girls or the cat. When it comes to other dogs, he's still confident. Any ideas on how I can help boost his ego because I think this has a lot to do with him not eating. Ok back to the topic of him not eating. So I think part of it is that he hates taking his seizure drugs. He takes them relatively well but doesn't like it either way. Also, this is nothing new since he's been taking drugs since he was 3 (epilepsy sucks). So like I said, he was on the mend. Then the bladder thing returned (he's back on drugs and may need an ultrasound :-( ). Back to peeing excessively (there's no negative reinforcement this time we learned our lesson). And back to turning his nose up at his food. He's got a couple pounds of padding to lose if we wait him out but he's a slender boy and I don't want to push him too much. Let me cover the frequently asked questions concerned food refusal: -He's not ill. He hasn't thrown up at all -He's pooing normally -His teeth are fine, he still chews on bones and sticks -He's still hungry as he greedily accepts carrots and apples if offered -We've tried washing his bowl (it doesn't make a difference). I know this is a book...I hope some of you made it through and have some advice to share. Thanks for your help and here's a few pictures of Gunnar for "advice tax". And the three
  8. Thanks everyone for your thoughts. We haven't seen a specialist because frankly, it's cost prohibitive. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to look one up though. Our vet has discussed other drugs with us, I'm not sure if one was Zonisamide but I think Potassium Bromide was one of the other options she mentioned. We started off of Pheno from their advice since it typically works with all dogs (just as well as the other drugs, as they put it) and it's substantially less expensive. We can get a months worth of pheno for $17, how much do those other drugs cost? If they're about the same, then I'll mention them to our vet again. I appologize for not giving his history, I have posted several times about his seizures but it was definitely a while ago. So I'll give a small recap. Gunnar had his first seizure in July of 2008. He always has grand mal seizures but they're not usually very long, a minute max. We traced the "trigger" back to tree bark. You see...he has an OCD on trees...he thinks if he chews the trees, he'll get a squirrel (so maybe that's an OCD on squirrels). In May of 2008, we moved into a new house with lots of trees for him to nom on. Once we put two and two together, we tried our best to stop him from chewing on trees. So his seizures stopped. However, every time we have other dogs over and he gets excited, he'll nom on the trees. It usually takes him having a lot of free time to do some damage for him to get enough bark or sap in his system to lower his threshold enough for him to seize. Then in August of 2009, we tried switching the dogs foods, we ended up trying Bil-Jac for Rhea and Gunnar. For some screwed up reason, Bil-Jac became a new trigger. By the time we figured it out and took him off the Bil-Jac, he had had 6 seizures in a week. Again, he was fine, the seizures went away as they always do. But then in the beginning of this month, he had 3 more (they always happen in 3s for some reason) and we attributed it to him getting some tree time while our family was here for Christmas, but Steven can contest that he really didn't get much time without supervision outside (he always seizes about 5-7 days after contact with the trigger). Then again this week he seized 3 more times (in 1.5 days so that's 2 in a 24 hr peroid). What happened 5-7 days ago? We gave him a heartworm pill (Interceptor). This is the kicker...he's never been sensitive to chemicals before. They never lowered his threshold before. His trigger was always just the trees (and then the Bil-Jac). This is why we feel we're at the end of our rope. If his threshold is so low now, that we can't even give him a heartworm pill, what else are we to do? Not only that, but his seizures were increasing in length and we worry he'll get into a cluster seizure while we're at work and we won't be able to do anything about it. He'll turn 5 tomorrow...I selfishly want another 12 yrs out of him. I can only hope the pheno and seizures don't shorten his life. On a side note, anyone's seizure-dogs ever get incredibly needy after a bout of seizures? It's like he's glued to my backside and he hasn't had a seizure in a day now (knock on wood).
  9. I feel like I failed. Like I was in a race with some opponent named "seizure" and they just took the gold. Today marks the day we're giving up on the fight against Gunnar's seizures by eliminating his "triggers". He seems to be set off so easily now. This most recent bought of 3 seizures in 1.5 days was caused by Iterceptor, we think, which he's never been sensitive to before. Counting the set of seizures he had from getting some one-on-one bark time that's 6 this month. We've picking up the phenobarbital today. Sorry buddy...hopefully this medicine will set you right again. (picture from our visit to Colorado for our honeymoon in September)
  10. Masi does that sometimes, and that may be why but Gunnar pretty much ignores water that's not in a stream or a water bowl. Even since my first post, things have gotten better. Maybe he knows we're wise to him? I think we'll weigh him next week or the week after to see if any of the weight has come back on. Thanks everyone!
  11. Talked to the vet, Gunnar's pee was too concentrated to be DI. Phew. It's probably just an ocd or quirk or something. We'll up his food and see if we can put some of those 3 lbs back on. Olivia, we had the Lepto vaccine the last couple years so he should be ok with that at least. Thanks for all the helpful advice everyone. It's amazing how I can come on here, after quite a while of being absent, ask some random question and be flooded with good vibes and experience on the matter.
  12. The more and more I read about DI the less I think that's the issue, thankfully. Still waiting to talk to my vet of course. A key phrase is repeated on almost every website I find, the dog's thirst is insatiable and with lack of water, the volume of pee does not decrease. But Gunnar isn't always at the water bowl, and when we tried to test him several weeks back, we left all 3 dogs in different rooms while we were at work instead of leaving them in the same room, he didn't touch the water at all. And when we know he hasn't had a ton to drink, he'll pee less. hhhmmmm I'll let you know what my vet thinks...
  13. Do you remember what her symptoms were exactly? Thanks. I've called my vet, waiting to get a call back to mention this to her.
  14. The vet said there was no sign of diabetes from the urine or blood test, and it was a full flood test, full panel, the whole shebang-here's-my-wallet-and-call-me-in-the-morning. That was one thing we were worried about. My husband's sister is a brand new vet and suggested the full panel to rule that out. Is DI something that won't show up in the blood at all and needs a different test? Gunnar is just about to turn 5. He's still as energetic as ever but as you all know, it takes a lot to get a BC down. No change in the quality of his coat, nice and shiny. He's always dry around this time of year so his few flakes and itchines isn't abnormal. Our vet feels we've essentially ruled everything out except bladder stones and those are unlikely (?). Even though there was no suggestion of those in the urinalysis either, she mentioned doing an Xray or unltrasound to completely rule them out. Gunnar has an OCD about going outside. Outside = fun, and he always wants to have fun of course. If you so much as say outside, pee or potty he runs to the door and starts to whine ever so slightly (and high pitched). He developed a connection between farting and the word fart with the outdoors, I wonder if he made the same connection with drinking water (and thus having to pee). Like...water = pee, pee=outside, water=outside? I'm hesitant to switch up his food, since we've discovered he and Rhea have a rice allergy and this pro plan just seems to work so well for all of them. If everything seems to be going in correctly, and coming out correctly (poo champion), then is it a reasonable conclusion that we can rule out something going wrong with his metabolism of the food? I seriously hate not knowing what's going on with them. For now, we're thinking of just upping his food and monitoring his weight on a weekly or bimonthly basis. I'll look into this DI thing. Thanks and if anyone else has had experience, please, I'd love to hear it.
  15. Hi all...I've been pretty absent for a while. Just sorta fell out of habit of checking the boars so often. I know I can always come back here and probe the awesome knowledge of the boards though. So, here I am, with another issue in tow. Long story short, Gunnar has lost weight (about 3 lbs in 4 months and he was not fat to begin with) and drinks an excess of water and then has a hard time controlling his bladder. We woke up to him peeing on his bed (fully awake and lifting his leg mind you, and no it wasn't a territory thing and his mess smelled diluted) last week and took him to the vet yesterday to have him checked. He's had 2 prior incidents where he wasn't able to hold it to get outside. His urine, fecal and blood tests all game back very, very clean. He's on purina pro plan, which he has been on before and done fine with. He has a good appetite and always seems to be hungry lately. We think he is to blame for draining the water bowl while we're out of the house and the pups are locked up in the bonus room. A weird thing about that in particular is if the water bowl is half way full or more, it'll be drained when we get home, if it's a little less than half way or less, there will still be water left in it when we get home (generally speaking). I'm thinking we just haven't been feeding him enough and he's developed a lovely OCD for drinking all the water. The vet couldn't find anything to support bladder stones (no crystals in his pee) but said that that could possibly be a culprit, we'd have to get an Xray to rule that out completely. Have any of you ever seen this before? Is Gunnar just bored out of his mind? We haven't been doing many brain exercises lately, just physical ones so perhaps that is it... Thanks for the help...again
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