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  1. Thanks for the reassurance... pushing him off at the top seems to be a reoccurring theme for us. The "sensitive-dog" syndrome (strong corrections and he lies down/shuts down) has made training him an "interesting challenge" for a newbie handler (me).
  2. I would like a good definition of "eye" in this situation. And here's why: Mitch approaches sheep upright (no crouch), staring intently. He can "lock onto" them with his eye and get stuck -- but then, once he breaks loose, he doesn't seem to know to use his "eye" to control them. Once in motion, he fits the "bull at a gate" description. Working too hard, too fast, too close. Maybe he's got it ("eye") but doesn't yet know how to use it? (He's 2, but only been working a few months.)
  3. Thank you all for your responses. There were some really good questions that challenged me... and help me figure some things out. 1. I am a pet owner who accidentally got a talented BC from a rescue group. I have no livestock experience, no land, no sheep... just a dog who needs to work and a desire to be as good as I can be with and for him. 2. Because he's a surrendered dog (who went thru 2 foster homes before he got to us), I am reluctant to send him off again to some other "home"... and then... 3. I worry that he might not fit back into our "pet home" after living/working on a ranch full time for a lengthy period of time. Right now we have to straddle the two worlds. 4. I'm also not driven (at least not yet) to compete. If we get there, well - that would be fun. But right now it's more about the process than any goal. Since I can get to sheep fairly easily (compared to a lot of people) and to good quality trainers willing to work with us "as is", I'll probably stay on this route -- at least for now. Thanks again!
  4. I am a novice handler training a novice dog. Have been getting some suggestions to send him off for 4-to-6 weeks of training, then I get trained to work him after he's trained. Would be very interested in hearing how others feel about this practice. Looking for good reasons pro and con...
  5. This is similar to the post about pacing. My "young" (at herding) BC seems to be of "two minds". When I first release him to do an outrun, he tends to be quite tentative -- "am i doing this right?" -- then, once past me (i'm fairly close to the stock), he speeds up, swings around, and comes in too fast on the sheep. All "heck" breaks loose and they're all charging down on me. Only downing him slows the stampede. I read the article on flip-flopping in the magazine and it is true that after circling him (and figure-8s) he eventually slows down. But the combination of insecurity and then over-exuberance is perplexing. If I jazz him up for a better outrun, he just comes in faster on the sheep. There's something I'm just not quite getting into his brain... (btw: he is 2+, but only working a few months)
  6. Greetings. Just "dropped in" after finding this thread thru a Google search. I live in Marin and am currently going up to Nevada once a month for a weekend at a time just to work with a patient, soft-spoken trainer (no yelling, no threatening... and a LOT of patience). Would very much like to find a closer place to work. Can anyone speak to the training styles of Derek or Bill or Suzy? Pescadero is probably closer (and a nice place to visit!) but it's all about the trainer after what we've been thru (my rescue BC went thru a 6-month shutdown period). Also - I saw someone say that Bill will be in Pescadero on the 28th? Is there a 2nd event there after the FunDay on Saturday? Many thanks, CJ & Mitch
  7. Last but not least -- since I started this "thing" (that has taken on a life of it's own!) please let me thank Jeanne, Eileen, and all the others who have replied both here and through private emails. You have ALL given me much to "chew on". Even if I didn't like everything I heard, I learned a lot, which was why I posted in the first place. Thanks! Jane (aka CJ)
  8. Jeanne - I have to say I was stunned by your response when I read it yesterday. I can only come back to it today. And mostly I'm replying because perhaps my reply might benefit someone else. Reading "between the lines," I do see some useful info ... but the overall tone of your email is so negative -- just go out and get another dog! Only do it right with a pup -- that the useful stuff is almost lost. I see that you don't have enough info about his background to offer a strong opinion. Fair enough. I see that it's much easier to start with a well-bred pup and "raise him right." Understood and agreed. But you also offer me some thoughts like: could he be just overly sensitive to criticism? Yes and no: He's VERY sensitive to loud voice/threatening gestures. He WILL take correction with moderation however. It's the degree and type of correction. You also say that he doesn't need a "great stop" at this point. Well - that's new info for me. The trainer i've been working with is ALL about his stops. Yelling at him. Threatening him. Jerking him. So - maybe not all trainers would agree with her methods. That's info I need. What i really get is that i need to find another trainer. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and would love some referrals. I "know" of other trainers, but most are reputed to be rougher than my current one. Finally - I didn't get Mitch to be a herding dog. But once I had him and he was recognized to be talented, it seems (seemed) like I "owe" him that ... it's so clearly in his blood. Please don't be so harsh with other resue owners. You really do have more info for us than maybe you realize. Regards, Jane & Mitch
  9. I have a 15-mo rescued male Border Collie. He was tested in April and showed great talent. Worked very well for the trainer/tester. Since then, we've been able to go up approx 1/week to train/practice with dog-broke sheep. Now, almost 3 mo later, we're probably no further along than when we started. Bottom-line is probably this: he has terrible "downs" in the field. Sometimes will; sometimes won't. Works too close to the sheep. His "away" is nice and wide; his "come by" is too close in. (and he doesn't really know what those mean anyway) I'm a novice and reluctant to teach him by threatening and yelling at him. He now will not work for that trainer at all; he runs for the gate if that trainer tries to work him. He's extremely sensitive to correction -- probably related to being a rescue dog. Is threat/yelling/intimidation the only way to train for this work? Am I babying him too much (trainer thinks i am) ? Should I find another trainer? Just give up? How can I teach the minimum he seems to need (a good stop even in the field WITH the sheep) without being what I consider to be abusive? [thanks for your input.]
  10. My second post to this great forum... I am also interested in training Mitch (my year-old rescue) in agility, which is where i've spent my last few years. Is anyone training in both herding and agility at the same time? Pros and cons? Good experiences and bad? I really just don't want to mess up his head, but he clearly has the smarts and the desire to learn everything (so far) I can throw at him (and, because I don't have sheep, herding can't be a full-time job for him) Thanks again.
  11. Hello. I'm new to the "Board" and new to herding. I have a year-old rescue who, it turns out, is quite naturally talented. I'm playing "catch up." I'm already working with a trainer and reading a couple of books (V. Holland and H. Glyn Jones) but would also like a video or two that might help me better visualize what i'm doing. I'd like to see dogs being trained -- and preferably not always assuming the viewer is starting with a young pup. Can anyone make some recommendations? Thanks.
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