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  1. I'm very glad to have met you. Thanks for sharing all your thoughts about herding and the wonderful Border Collie. Our Border Collie handler's community is smaller with you promoted to the next class. Bill
  2. Bill Orr


    Lad, or as registered "Boone's Lad" (11/22/2004 - 5/30/2018), physically departed this orb yesterday. He had a good run -nearly 14 1/2 years. He was a good trial dog, working livestock dog, friend, clown, fearless protector, adaptable companion to man and their other pests. He lived with us in SC and Oregon. He lived with Shauna Wilson and Mario Galianno in Yreka, CA. All of us loved him. He was Mario's dog last, managing Shauna's sheep and overseeing her collection of dogs. Shauna fulfilled the necessary but terrible responsibility of letting Lad go when it was his time. Lad was a b
  3. I'm attaching a file with memories of a wonderful chapter in my life. Thanks to all who have been part of it. Bill Boone as I Remember.. BooneAsIRemember.doc
  4. Although I realize there are many ways to train a working (herding) border collie, I would offer a couple of caveats: 1) It may not be the most beneficial practice to have a young dog with lots of "eye" sit and watch livestock close at hand. 2)Regardless of littermates' or related animals' behavior, there can be vast differences in personalities and effective techniques. What works for one, may not work with another. I have tried both the "sit and relax" and the "packed pen" practices. It might confuse a young dog when you take it to penned sheep one time and you want it to chill whi
  5. I think I MAY see Tea's confusion. (as I had it too while reading the helpful suggestions) I'll bet Tea and I think that the "reward" for the BC is the work itself. We've seen that concept with the herding dogs we work or trial with who have been selected because of their inherited skill to gather livestock AND please humans. The work ethic and instinct is what makes it possible to do work out of sight and half a mile from the human. No toy or treat reward is necessary. The work itself is "fun". Consider this possibility for the non-herding BC. You'll like it, if you can get your mi
  6. I read the original post because I too have a young BC who is shy and distractible. Although we are herding enthusiasts, I found your post contains some of our similar concerns. CptJack's response was great and very helpful to me. It reinforces the thought directions I plan to follow with my young dog. Anything I can do to focus the young dog on me (what I'm doing) is where I'm going. A respected friend noted that he has found that with his inexperienced herding dogs that he can get their attention three times as fast if the animal has a leash on instead of running around on its own.
  7. All due respect to trainers who quote or refer to Bobby D. and his "long line", they are not Bobby D. It's a real talent to effectively use a long line to effectively correct a border collie on live stock...no silver bullets for the rest of us. Good comments from Donald C. and Julie P. . Doesn't make a difference if the World Champion has this or that .. it's the dog in front of you that matters. Antidotes are interesting, but not necessary useful. That two party rope trick isn't going to work. You're just getting a bigger hammer to hit your finger with. The horse on a lunge
  8. re the video... It is a testimony to the instinct to work and their desire to please man, that these dogs ever learn to help us herd. We label them, put them in a pressure environment, don't develop their respect for us before going to stock, and whack them or "jerk them off their feet" when they show the enthusiasm we hoped for. The first part of the video with Otto on the leash walking toward the stock doesn't teach the dog anything about herding, nor does it bring out his intrinsic instincts that you want to shape and control. Probably makes him frustrated. He is a real warrior to do
  9. Nothing will give you more satisfaction than to train your dog to ITS highest level without the prejudice of negative OPINIONS. Over the years that I have training and trialed my dogs it has dawned on me that a lot of the talk ABOUT this dog or that dog based on some "big hat" or breeder's opinion does more harm than good to a less confident trainer and their untrained dog. We hear "too much/not enough eye", "soft", etc. And then when we take our dog to stock, what do you think we look for first? That's right, the negatives that we've heard from others. Be careful who you listen to.
  10. Very sorry for your loss. Tess had a great run at life and you are the benefactor. Sincerely, Bill
  11. How do you correct them when they do other things you don't like? If it works, do that. If it doesn't, for each dog find it's motivation to be obedient. Be consistent and persistent. Dogs in a kennel don't have to bark all the time. Give the youngsters a chance, but expect them to make progress as the learn. What you permit, you teach. Good luck.
  12. I'm glad I got to meet her at the Bad Lands in ND and Roy Johnson's trial in VA. What memories you have of her.. Our best, Bill Orr
  13. Twilight by Luan Egan (a tribute to Molly, a good Border Collie) Fall is upon us. Leaves flash crimson, Then fall to nourish new life. In the twilight of an old dogs day I sit beside her feeble form I watch her dream of balls and sheep. I reflect on what has gone before How lucky I was that she found me She changed my life. Starting that journey Full of vibrant energy and enthusiasm Long walks, exploring life and new adventures All the things we worked through, Together. Soon, too soon She will be lost to my touch As she moves beyond my existence Into the rea
  14. A good website for searching property in the West is www.windemere.com. You can enter acreage and min and max price along with other criteria. All due respect to my former neighbors in the SE, but your access to trials in NC is nothing compared to Oregon. We moved from upstate SC 5 years ago to SW Oregon and love it. Acreage really depends on the nature of each specific piece, but I can' imagine a decent working arangement on less than 5 acres. Just like sheep, you'll never have exactly what you need for training (unless maybe your favorite uncle is Ted Turner). Get in contact i
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