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  1. Don't know if it will do any good but I reported the ad as a possible scam since it claims the dogs are ABCA registered and being a poodle cross, this is blatant false or misleading advertising.
  2. OK, I see where I was mistaken and my apologies for my erroneous assumption. When your web site mentioned breeding for the show ring, I thought it meant ACK. Looking at the ASCA website, I see they promote their own version of an appearance based breed standard so that while you could have a CH, it would be an ASCA CH as opposed to an ACK CH. Is that correct or can a ASCA registered dog be both? I would have hoped that the ASCA would be more like ABCA where at least the stated goal is performance based breeding, not appearance.
  3. The website talks about dogs that are suitable for the show ring. I am assuming this means the ACK ring and judging by the letters before and after some of the dogs names, I assume that means they are ACK shown dogs and champions as well. I would like to know if this is correct, because if it is and the Las Rocosa kennels is breeding show dogs, it kind of blows any credibility I may have had for that kennel. ACK is not only bad for Border Collies, it is bad for all breeds.
  4. That Daylight Saving Time ends the first Sunday in November. This means woo-wooing at what is now 4:30 am to get me up (when I set my alarm, haha, at 5:30 am) and 4 pm to get fed (when you get fed when the clock reads 5 pm) isn't going to work!
  5. Julie, Yes, I know it is not ok. But I also know that there is a dichotomy on this board when it comes to calling it out. Sleazy breeders are called out on this board by name, and IMO rightfully so, when they are color breeders, puppy mills, etc., but in the 7 years I have been on this board, "respected" trialers and breeders that are not much, if any better, are only alluded to, never named. Why is that?
  6. Of course you then get some of the biggest of the big hats that will sell their dogs to byb / puppy mills / color breeders and are not only not ashamed of the fact that they do, but highlight the breeder they sold to on their web page. But that is ok, I guess, because the big hats have no responsibility what happens to their pups after they have been sold to the sleaze breeders. Or so I have been told on this board.
  7. Here it is of different but I don't know if it unusual. Nisa will only play with Bernie inside or out and the only game they will play is tug. It is most often one of them shoving the object de jour into the others face, not wanting what the other has. Outside, Bernie will play with Chloe, but only chase. Chloe is not into toys. Tasha will play chase with Chloe, but not Bernie. Nisa outside will take any object Tasha has away from her and Tasha lets her. Tasha will run behind Nisa, but more to aggravate Nisa than anything else. (At least it has been over a year since those 2 tried to kill each other. Since Nisa always gets the worst of it and typically started the fight in the first place, maybe she has learned.) I am sure there is some kind of pack dynamic / doggy psychology that could explain their interactions or lack thereof.
  8. I should have noted that Capstar is not a long term preventative. We used it on Tasha since she had fleas from the pound and we did not want to bring her into our house with them. We have (thankfully) been virtually flea free at our home for almost 20 years and only use preventatives on the rare instance we find a flea on any one of the dogs. So far this year I think we have found 2 or 3 so we have had to break out the Frontline a couple times but with the weather no getting colder, I hope we are done for the year.
  9. When we got Tasha she had fleas from the pound. The vet gave her Capstar (http://www.capstar.novartis.us/) which worked great. May be worth looking into.
  10. I don't see how a talented dog would be "shut out". If Spot is unable to be registered because one of his parents was an ACK champion and de-registered, Spot could... Still be trained as a sheepdog. Still enter USBCHA trials. If handled by a USBCHA member, collect points towards the Nationals If good enough, trial at the Nationals If really good enough, be bred and the resulting offspring could be ROM'ed. The only thing Spot cannot do is be ABCA registered. Spot does not care about that, only Spot's owner does.
  11. But as people decide not to have kids but to have dogs, breeds actually get altered. If we alter a breed too much, it can’t do what it was bred to do,” Delsman said. (emphasis added) Yeah, that's why... (where is the puke emoticon)
  12. As Mr. McCaig quoted in a different thread, "A Man cannot serve two Masters". The masters here being the working bred Border Collie or the AKC. It has always been my opinion and position that the AKC has proven itself to serve more to the detriment of all breeds it has touched than it has ever served to their betterment and because of that and in that regard I personally consider them evil. And I do not support or compromise with evil. One can make excuses that it is the only game in town for some activities, or that because you have border collies you don't care how they have ruined every other sporting or working breed they have come into contact with (because you don't own those), but truly if you are in for a penny you are in for a pound. To claim otherwise, again in my opinion, is rank hypocrisy. There is leeway that can be granted to the "great unwashed", but that is when it becomes imperative to educate those people on the harm the AKC has caused the breeds it claims to champion. Among those are the fact that the AKC, its quest for revenue and its de facto support of puppy mills and back yard breeders to fill its coffers promotes a never ending supply of euthanasia fodder, as well as the genetic corruption and destruction of once useful and noble breeds with the working Border Collie being one of its more recent victims. AKC, Another Killed Canine
  13. I guess I don't know where all these ill-mannered dogs are, or I have a higher tolerance threshold or maybe I have just been extremely lucky my entire life but I have never had the dog confrontations many here seem to have had. Not even when I was young (10-14) and my dad had a home delivery milk route that I was on every day of the summer or when I later had a paper route. I have never, literally never, been bitten by a dog other than my own and then only twice and both were understandable from the dog's viewpoint. (Sadie who bit me when she was in severe pain and I touched her wrong and a collie mix we had when I was a kid and I provoked her.) Yes, I have had dogs try to hump my leg and other obnoxious behaviors and maybe its just me, but usually a good scowl or sharp "hey what the hell ya doing" has been all the correction necessary. Substitute "your child" for "my dog" in these illustrations of poor training and are the actions of the aggrieved the same? If your ill mannered child won't stop screaming in a restaurant, do I have the right to crack him upside the head to correct your child rearing failure? Will you object if I do? How about if I catch your kid throwing eggs at my house, can I give him (or her) a good hard swift kick in the crotch? After all, it is YOUR job to manage YOUR child and it is not MY job to tolerate it or to adopt your particular method of training (to quote havenjm). Your child should be better behaved then my dog is unless you think my dog is smarter than your kid.
  14. I think first of all, most non working people that want a border collie need to get over the "must have puppy" syndrome. Yes puppies are cute and snuggly and all that good stuff, but there is also housebreaking, teething, room redecorating, and all that not so good stuff. As most all of us probably agree, any puppy is a crap shoot in most every way. I would personally get a 1.5 - 2 year old well socialized, housebroken, basic trained border collie from good working breeding lines that doesn't make the herding cut than an 8-10 week puppy anytime. In fact after Baby died almost 3 years ago, I contacted about 6-8 open level trialers looking for a washout but then fate brought me Nisa. (but I digress) If more people would get over "must have puppy" syndrome, we would have far less border collies in shelters as it would be far easier to match dog and owner. Since a dog / owner pairing should be a match for life IMO, the more known about the dog, the better the chances.
  15. Yeah :D this is really gonna happen.... :D (not)
  16. Julie, We are not is disagreement here, but seem to be talking past each other. I was referring specifically to Geonni's earlier post that mentioned... "Making the assumption that a breeder of working Border Collies would own sufficient livestock to properly evaluate his puppies' working ability, why not sell pups with an agreement that the youngsters would be brought for stock working lessons, free of charge until talent was firmly established. The breeder can then evaluate all his dogs' progeny, and set the pet/sport owner on the road to possible trialing. Said breeder would not incur the cost of growing out his pups, but would be able to assess the ability of all of them. The owner of such pups would not have to decide immediately if the dog would be dedicated to one discipline (sport or trialing) and would be able to have the dog well started in both without undue financial burden. Such contracts are common in the show dog world. Many breeders will only sell extremely promising pups to homes that agree to campaign the dog to a championship. Sometimes these contracts also include a breeding clause stating that the breeder reserves the right to use a successful male pup for a set number of breedings, choose a suitable male for a bitch pup and retain the litter in the case of a successful female, after which the animal in question is neutered. In the case of males, semen can be collected and frozen, and the dog neutered after. I would think that a system like this would allow the breeder to carefully evaluate all the pups they produced, enabling them to make good breeding choices. It would also ease the financial burden of growing out entire litters and then having to find homes for older animals. Breeding contracts could widen his selection options for future litters, as a stellar pup could be used under the terms of the contract and then neutered. The pups would benefit as well, being able to go as youngsters into homes where they could be socialized to the life of a family dog. (emphasis mine) You know my feelings on breeding, spaying and neutering so you know I would like every placement to a non-working home (including obedience, sport, pet, SAR, whatever) to be done on a spay / neuter contract.
  17. Julie, Agree with what you said re: speuter. Someone earlier mentioned and I am aware of some AKC contracts that prevent spay / neuter without the breeder's permission or that they retain future breeding rights. I would assume that if I got a dog from a working breeder I am free (or may be required) to spay / neuter as a pet home. However in this "hypothetical" it could be possible that if the dog were to be evaluated for ability, there could be a desire on the breeder's part to have them remain intact until that evaluation is complete. Since this was a hypothetical question, I was giving a hypothetical situation. Nothing more.
  18. AH, but then situations change and what happens? You are transferred to a night shift? Gas goes to $4 a gallon? Does the dog go back to the breeder if it has shown any promise? I think I have read that most dogs are not really even exposed to stock much before about 6 months old (please correct if I am mistaken) and maybe up to a year after that to truly evaluate. Do I really want to keep an unaltered dog that long and put up with heat cycles or marking. I feel it is a "fish or cut bait" scenario unless you could place to a home that might have a future herding interest but by no means guaranteed. Of course I also think that a good breeder would not be breeding until they knew that most, if not all, of the litter had homes before it hit the ground whether they are working homes or not. Getting back to Mark's OP, I would have to agree that at least statistically litter 1 seems the better match (assuming the 2 working dogs were of comparable talent in each litter and the talent was sufficient to justify a repeated breeding in the first place) The other problem in either scenario is that there are too many variables present. Who is evaluating good and bad in litter 2? Who is training litter 2? Could it be a wrong dog / trainer combination? Are litter 1 workers mid open level whereas litter 2 are National finalist level? I could be (and most likely am) wrong, but I think almost any breeder of good quality BC's that could produce a top 5 International finalist would consider a second breeding even if the other 7 could not tell a sheep from a rock.
  19. 36 paws + all crossed and major Michigan mojo to you and Belle. Belle has been blessed in finding you and may you be blessed for all you have done for her. I'm glad she has found her forever home and a life long friend.
  20. DW recently took in a foster JRT. Some I have not cared for too much and some have been so-so. Of all the dogs we have and have had, I have never actually hated a dog. Until Jack, the JRT! I hate that dog with a passion. It barks over everything, attacks Bernie, Nisa and Tasha for no particular reason and is the biggest pain in the ass of a dog we have ever had. It gets along great with the other ankle biters (2 chihuahuas and a toy poodle) but does not like the larger ones and lets its feelings be well known. I know not all JRTs are this way, but then again just from what has been said here and I have heard from others, I would take a dozen spastic over the top no off switch border collies before I will ever let another JRT set its paw in this house again. YMMV
  21. Kristine, What Blackdawgs said in the "definitions" is what I was referring to earlier. In my mind, redirection is a correction in that it alters one course of action and replaces it with another. Example... Bernie likes to jump up on people and I do not want him to do that. When he meets someone new, in his usual over-exhuberance, I know that he wants to go over to that person and jump up on them. Knowing that, I will tell Bernie to sit. Not "Bernie, No, Sit" just "Sit". To me, that is a correction and if I am reading what you have written correctly, you would say that is a redirection when for either or both of us, it is a distinction without a difference and what we are really discussing are simple semantics. It is the same as if driving a car and you start to veer to the left out of your lane. I may call it a (course) correction and you may call it redirection, but the efforts taken to return the car to its proper lane are the same, you move the wheel to the right until you are where you want the car to be. Now if we were looking at "no corrections" until the desired result was achieved, we could both be part of an on-coming semi. Certainly I am not questioning, knocking or attempting to trivialize your methods. It works for you and it causes no harm to you or the dog. On that front, I say more power to you. ETA, While I was posting, you posted in part... "Example: I have walked into the ring with my dog and he is standing next to me. I tell him to sit and he does. Do you consider that "sit" cue to be a correction?" If the dog is standing next to you, no. If the dog is straying off or perhaps because you know your dog and it is staring at that Aussie you know it hates and would just love to rip its throat out and could be seriously contemplating that action, then yes.
  22. Don't know about pear, but am usually considered fruity
  23. Now I will freely admit (and many will nod their heads in agreement) that I am not always the sharpest knife in the drawer. I get easily confused in these discussions with +R, -P, e=mc2, etc. and their exact meanings, but I always read these threads with interest because I do like to get new ideas on working with my dogs to get them to do what I would like them to do and at the same time want them to want to do what I want them to do. My confusion lies in the "no corrections" approach and it is just hard for me to conceive of how this is done. In Kristine's example... (I am not picking on Kristine or questioning her methods) "For instance, I see many people train start lines, by setting the dog up, waiting until the dog breaks, going "AH!", walking the dog back and pushing it's rump into a sit. And they do this, and they do it, and they do it . . . for years. I'm not exaggerating on that. Some people do this for years and the dog never seems to get the idea. I used a clicker and treats to train Maddie's start line. That was enjoyable for both of us, and her start line stays are far more reliable than the ones I see on the "AH" trained dogs. That has been my real-life experience. Granted, there are other factors to take into account, but what about watching that method fail for years would make it something I would want to try with any dog?" I don't believe in setting up a dog for failure as an exercise for getting the wanted behavior, but if Maddie wanders off the start line, what is the next step? In my tendency to see things in black and white world, any action taken by Kristine to get Maddie back on the start line would be a correction unless she were to wait until Maddie wanders back over to the start line on her own (whenever that may be) and then marks the desired behavior. Would not using a clicker or treat to induce the desired result be a "correction" from the undesired one? I ask this again not to be facetious, nit-picky or intentionally obtuse, but in an attempt to understand the concept because I just cannot get my mind around never correcting an undesired result. As to the rest of the discussion, having 9 dogs and all of them rescues or fosters, I have not been able to find a "one size fits all" method as I don't have "one size fits all" dogs. Nisa is hyper, Tasha is a potato, and Bernie is, well Bernie and their training and learning techniques are as varied as their personalities. Not saying one universal does not exist or work, just that I have not found it yet.
  24. Julie, All the trials I have attended have been USBCHA sponsored, or to say that all I have attended I was aware of from the trials section of the USBCHA website and I believe those are USBCHA sponsored. I have been going to trials in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana for 5 years. I am not saying that qualifies me for anything, but I am not completely ignorant about it either. And obviously no, I do not have actual on field trial experience and am not attempting to judge the judge. But I also know something about human nature, prejudices and preferences and it is simply not possible IMO for those not to play some part in the results. Not that there is anything wrong with that either. I know it is not an exact parallel, but I have a car I show concourse. Same car every time, different judges, different scores. Sometimes same judges, different events, different score. Sometimes win, most times don't. Que sera, sera. And while I have not talked to a specific judge about a specific run and how they scored it, I have talked to people that are participants that are judges at other trials on how they would score it and I hear "the dog should have this" and "the handler should have that" as well as where points would have been knocked off.
  25. Julie, All the trials I have attended have been USBCHA sponsored, or to say that all I have attended I was aware of from the trials section of the USBCHA website I have been going to trials in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana for 5 years. I am not saying that qualifies me for anything, but I am not completely ignorant about it either. And obviously no, I do not have actual on field trial experience and am not attempting to judge the judge.
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