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  1. Please, someone pm me an address for his widow. Dan was a person whose kindness attracted everyone. I wish to write the family. Penny
  2. He owned at least two sheepdogs. He never managed to train one, that's a fact. At a clinic, I heard him lie about not ever owning one before the second. He was called on the lie because he didn't realize that the person who owned the dog after him in 1987 was there and spoke up. He may have been a wonderful pet dog trainer.
  3. "Geonni, I think I recall your posting some time ago a link to some of Elaine Ostrander's genome research showing border collies clustering more with hunting dogs (including spaniels) than with modern Collies and Shetland Sheepdogs, which I find extremely interesting, even though I really don't know what to make of it or know whether anything at all should be made of it at this stage." I'm going to go track this down. I'll be surprised if either Kay Pine or Elaine Ostrander can know the truth about the Gordon setter or the spaniel tale.
  4. I know that you are simply suggesting discussion. Why else would I be so pleasant without something to breed away from with outcrosses? What we need to know is why care about drift or a founder effect, which is over and done now, without a problem? Hey, I could care less about pure bloodlines. I had a ROM bitch.
  5. "Somewhere I read there were spaniel type dogs in the mix. I assume that the spaniels were chosen for some particular trait." I guess you're thinking of the Gordon setter debate which raged back and forth over whether a collie cross went into the Gordon setter or the Gordon setter went into the collie. If that isn't what you're thinking of, I would love to have a reference because I am not familiar with the spaniel story. "I was intrigued by the story in Pedigree Dogs Exposed:3 Years On in which the Dalmation breeder crossed his dogs with an English Pointer. He did this because he was try
  6. "The shepherds of old drew upon a rich genetic base to create these breeds." I'm curious about what this statement means. Shepherds of old would have had only the dogs in easy proximity to draw on. Drovers would have had more, I suppose, but still nowhere near what anyone has today.
  7. Andrew, in a recent issue of Sheepdog News,has a piece that includes a picture of a young woman in the late 19th century or maybe very early 20th, who may have entered a trial or two. She was the daughter of someone never noted for his skill but the color lithograph of her with dog is terrific. I have a few records of women trialing from the early 1900s in Great Britain, not much, and one from the 1800s. Andrew is the person to ask.
  8. In terms of filming tricks, I love the shot where the entire packet of pub sheep goes behind a tree then all save three splitters come out the other side.
  9. I looked at this post because in the general table of forums the topic line for the most recent entry was "The proper purpose of sheep," which intrigued me as a question I have not much pondered.
  10. When she gets back, someone remember--I probably won't--to ask her about Buser's training and how he keeps his dogs in relation to that. Her account to me of visiting him a year or two ago was fascinating and unlike anything I had heard of.
  11. Someone in Georgia should know. Trig was a good dog as I recall.
  12. "Penny, are you claiming there are health issues with Mm?" I don't need to make so extravagant a claim for the argument to hold. Let's take the case of CEA go-normals bred with carriers or clears or even affected to affected. The ultimate aim is to breed through CEA without losing other genetic components and narrowing the gene pool. Ethical breeders will do this; however, even from ethical hands dogs will slip through to the mills and people who can't help but breed everything and so on. The number of affected dogs this happens to will decrease gradually and eventually reduce numbers
  13. "Is there any difference between breeding a deaf MM Collie because it has superior breed attributes that you wish to increase in the breed vs. breeding a CEA "go normal" (i.e. CEA affected) working Border Collie because of its superior working ability?" I am under the impression that the goals are different in that breeding a CEA affected dog with normal vision to a clear dog allows the good qualities of the affected dog to remain in the gene pool with the ultimate goal of reducing the incidence of CEA by slowly breeding away from it without narrowing the gene pool. I don't see how that ca
  14. Another sad note: I recognize the name Laura Rizzo. If this is the same person, then this is a case of going over to the dark side.
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