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  1. Is anyone familiar with fading puppy syndrome. From what I've heard, no one really knows the cause of it----a seemingly thriving puppy, stops nursing, fades & dies, all within a couple of hours? My friend's bitch had a litter delivered by C-section last week, & lost 2 of the six pups this way. Could the fact that it's an older bitch, first litter have anything to do with it? My vet, who breeds pugs, has had this happen and does necropsies on the pups & has found fluid in the lungs in many of them. So just trying to make a connection here---concerned that the remaining 4 are in peril of the same fate. Thanks. Vicki
  2. I might add that while looking through a supply catalogue that the groomer I work for gets, one of them was advertising "Interceptor" and other HW preventatives with "Made in this country!" So there must be some validity to what my vet told me. BTW, don't know where my mind is, (probably running into the sunset like the end of a Three Stooges film) but the products my vet & I were discussing were the HW preventatives, not flea preventatives. Sorry about that. However, it does make you wonder about the flea preventatives as well. Vicki
  3. I found out this year that the cheaper stuff gotten through catalogues & online, although it bears the companies name & packaging, is not made in this country and even though it bears the name of the company, the products made outside the country often are not of the same quality as the product (of the same name) made in this country. If something should go wrong with using the foreign-made stuff, the company will not stand behind it's product, even though their name is on it. Currently there are some lawsuits pending against the companies that offer the cheaper version of, for example, Frontline----the catalogues or the on-line distributors. Please don't ask me the legalities or the fine details---I don't know, but I did learn this from my vet, whom I do trust as a knowledgable dog person, at heartworm testing time this past spring. Cost is an important factor for me with 11 dogs, but I opted to get the stuff from the vet at a few dollars more. For me, it's worth it in the long run. Vicki
  4. If her problem is indeed nutrition oriented, then my advice is, it is more expensive in the long run to feed cheap. If you see an improvement in her with a better diet, go with the better diet. However, I would still get her into the vets just to rule anything else out. When the body is stressed (I'm talking dog here), the first thing it let's go of is hair. That stress can be anything from a cheap, lousy diet, to hormonal fluctuations, to any number of other things going on inside, that we can't see, but manifests itself in profuse hair loss. So the advice still stands---better quality food & check up with the vet. Good Luck. Vicki P.S. I work a second job to feed my dogs the way I think they should be fed, so I don't give that bit of advice lightly.
  5. First, I would have a complete check up done on the dog, blood work, etc. If everything shows up OK, look at nutrition. I would put her on a quality food. Sorry, Purina, Science Diet, Pedigree, Alpo, & so on, are not what I consider quality. If her hair loss is that severe, look at raw feeding---myself, I feed 2 of my dogs "morigins" (raw diet). If you decide to stay with dry, I like Solid Gold, Flint River Ranch, and although I haven't tried it, but heard lots of good about it, Canidae. If she turns her nose up, too bad. Pick up the food after 20 minutes, and it doesn't get put down again until next feeding. They're not going to let themselves starve to death. Good Luck. Vicki
  6. Big fluffy dog, from what I heard, passed his Herding Instinct test. I suppose now it's all systems go now in advertising a bench champion with herding instinct, just to show all the doubters you really can have it both ways. Right? Vicki
  7. Thank you so much for your input. First, pups get this from their old man, I'm sure. I was looking for something that would put a little push into the pups, more than mom has. Secondly, I was wrong on one thing---this pup has been working since she was 4 months old---way too young, and I have stated this to the owner, but she is coming from working with an AKC breed ---- OK, it's a rough collie, and I can imagine the feeling my friend had when her BC pup was doing at 7 months, what it took the collie 18 months to learn. (but I know that's no reason to apply training on a dog that is still a baby in my eyes, but a wannabe big guy). Her advice has been coming from someone who is quite successful as an all breed herding person, and someone I never heard of who is giving herding lessons. Both told her, if your dog wants to work, work her. Not that I'm a great handler, I'm a total klutz, but one thing I have learned, is that these guys go through so many developmental stages, that they have to mentally mature. I scenario I described above, to me was too confrontational. There were no loud voices, just a quiet "come bye", allowing the dog to make her own choice. There was no crook slapping, but I feel that the body language, of the 2 humans blocking the sheep, who are in a corner, was more than this pup's immature mind could take, so her attitude was "get out of my way!". I too feel she should be taken up and allowed to rest. Yesterday, we were with an experienced BC person, and my friend asked to see what she could do with the dog. The dog went on a long line and was made to walk quietly close to the handler, and she actually looked nice. Take her back? In a heartbeat, but I really do think my friend will eventually do right by her. A first BC is quite a learning experience. On the other hand, I am puppy sitting one of the other bitch pups, and boy, and I am seriously thinking of reclaiming her. I KNOW she's too much for them. I will share your responses with my friend. Thank you again. Vicki
  8. Here's the situation. This pup is not mine, but I still have a vested interest--I bred her. She is 8 months old and her owner's first BC. The owner has done well enough with an alternate herding breed in AKC. She started the pup at 5 months, which I thought, and told her it was too young, that the pup's got to grow up. She was told by some other folks that as long as the pup is showing a desire to work, work her, and she did. The pup has always been keen. Now, approaching adolescence, the pup either goes to the heads, or just plain dives in and buzzes the sheep, and has times where she does a beautiful job. Today my friend e-mailed me that during a lesson today, she and the instructor, had the sheep in a corner, blocking the dog from diving in an buzzing them. The dog has gotten into the habit of grabbing the crook in frustration when it's used to block her. Today, she not only grabbed the crook but she buzzed my friend's leg too. At that point the instructor bopped the dog on the head with the crook. Puppy went over to the side to sulk, thought about it and came back and did a beautiful job. One thing about this litter, I watched them as pups get corrected (by humans & dogs), get bowled over, only to roll back up on their legs in one movement and continue. So they were tough & determined from the get go. Are we dealing with an adolescent mind set here, are we dealing with a dog that was started too early, a frustrated dog, or a dog that might benefit from a more experienced trainer? My friend tells me she is more aggressive each time she takes her out. Of course, my friend is not used to a dog that lives for this either, so "aggression" might just be her interpretation. Off stock, pup is as sweet as she can be. Open to interpretations and suggestions. Thanks. Vicki
  9. I've fed that particular food myself & I think it's OK. However, it just may not agree with this particular individual. If his teeth & gums were really bad when you got him (I'm not a vet, so I'm sort of thinking out loud), I know that infected gums can lead to other health problems & maybe he has residuals from that. Just for my own peace of mind, I would get him checked by a vet, maybe even getting a blood panel done. But I would definately change his food. You might have to experiment with different kinds before you find the one that works the best for him. (BTW, the raw diet I feed to 2 of my dogs, has been known to diminish this problem in breeds known for gassiness---boxers, American Bulldogs). Vicki
  10. My first thought is that maybe this one particular dog is having problems processing this kibble. Bad teeth & gums is a contributing factor to bad breath. I would get this dog checked by a vet. Are the teeth & gums OK? See if there might be something going on internally that is causing him to be gassy. I would say that maybe a change of diet is in order for this dog, since you said this particular dog tends to be gassy anyway. To me, that indicates a digestion problem anyway, which another manifestion is rotten breath. May I ask what you are currently feeding? Vicki
  11. Since it is hard to guarantee against certain things that happen in life, my contract states that the PARENTS have been checked and clear of eye diseases - they are CERF'd. My contract also states that the parents hips have been x-rayed--they are OFA'd. It also states that the parents are free of epilepsy. It also states that the pup/dog at the time of sale is in good health & have the vet records to back it up. What I'm saying is, is if push comes to shove in court, if your contract states that the pups are guaranteed against hip dysplasia, epilepsy etc., etc., as a breeder, one would be liable for a wide variety of health issues. You are guaranteeing the pup, and all that anyone can do is to lay the best groundwork possible in producing a healthy pup by having the parents checked & cleared for the variety of disorders that can affect a dog and show up in a dog a couple of years down the road. To say "I guarantee this pup.... etc, etc.," is really leaving oneself open legally for things that we have no control over once the pup leaves the breeder's home. If all one's contract says is that I have done the best I possibly can in having done the work and research BEFORE producing a litter, then I feel that is sufficient for the breeder, the buyer, the legal system. Genetics is for the most part a crap shoot. Epilepsy, unless there is very obviously a brain tumor causing the seizures, is iffy in it's origins and all one can do is not breed from any dog that has epilepsy in it's background. A rap on the head which results in seizures, however, is a different story--one that the breeder should not be held responsible for. And if something should show up, in spite of all the "best laid plans", a reputable breeder should stand behind what they produce and take the pup/dog back, at any time. I would think that a reputable breeder would want to know if epilepsy developed in any of the pups they produced, and possibly rethink their breeding program. As a puppy buyer, you have the responsibility to educate yourself and ask the right questions. The buyer beware applies here. No one has enough control over genetics to guarantee that every pup they produce is 100 per cent free of every disorder. That does not excuse breeding sick dogs for $$$$$, nor does it excuse someone not taking back something they produced if something does show up. That's the difference between reputable breeders and those in it for the $$$$$. Vicki
  12. I have a female BC who turned 9 yrs old in April. She has been seizuring since she was 9 months old. First we put her on phenobarb, varying doses, she still cluster seizured like clock work, without fail, every three weeks, no matter what the dose she was on. Amazingly, when she was about 4 yrs old, she went for 14 months seizure-free. Then it came back with a vengeance, grand mal seizures every 20 minutes. She was put on IV's for the better part of a week (very costly), & when she came out, she still cluster seizured 1 x a month. The following year, again, she went into round the clock seizures & was put on IV's. This time I had a more knowledgable vet & we put her on a combination of Phenobarb & potassium bromide. We eventually weaned her off the phenobarb, & she is only on 300 mg. potassium bromide 2x a day & her seizures now are anyway from 1 month to four months apart. (I'll take that over every 3 weeks). She still cluster seizures, but it's not nearly as bad. Point of all this is, don't give up. I was ready to, until we hit the right combination of meds. There's an awful lot of information out there, resources to help you. Seizures, while at least I never got used to them, you can live with & the dog isn't in pain. Most seizures can be controlled. It's nice to have the resources like the K-9 epilepsy list to go to. The more you know, the better for your dog, for you. Good luck. Vicki
  13. My experience with Science Diet, is run the other way. Vicki
  14. I'm currently feeding 10 dogs & had a litter of pups this past January. My dog food of choice is "mOrigins", a raw diet, but since it is expensive, I only have 3 of my dogs on it, 2 of which are old timers and one of those has a compromised immune system. The rest I feed Solid Gold Holistic, the Wellness, Flint River Ranch, Royal Canin Holistic--which ever is most accessible at the time I need it. I am totally sold on Morigins (they have a website). It comes in frozen 5 pound rolls & I've fed it this summer frozen, right out of the freezer, after I've broken off the frozen portions with a hammer & flat head screw driver. The dogs loved it during this hot summer. I've always been somewhat of a health nut for my dogs, & to a lesser extent myself (sad, isn't it). But what really sold me on mOrigins, was after coming back from a 2 week business trip last March, I came back to find my oldest BC really sick-----he had several things going on at one time---kidney function was off, he was urinating blood, e-coli in the bladder, spondylosis and he was diagnosed a couple of months later with a disorder BC's don't generally get. I was told that he would certainly die WITH the disorder, but not FROM it. I had him neutered, and at my vet's recommendation put him on an early kidney diet, & he was on antibiotics for the e-coli. After several hundred $$$ of vet bills, and having carried him into the vet's office because he was too weak to walk, and that he really looked horrible on Science Diet's kidney diet (he had a sunken in look), I made up my mind that whatever time this dog had left, he would at least enjoy his food. I was really preparing to lose him. I switched him to "mOrigins". This was in August of last year. In October, this soon-to-be 12 yr old BC, was working livestock again----not like a 6 yr. old, he's still an old dog, but considering the fact that I was carrying him a few months prior to that, I was happy to see my dog doing what he loves best. When we did a blood panel on him this past May, this "condition" I was told he would die with, no longer existed. His teeth are like a dog's half his age. I'm just happy to have my best buddy back. He'll be 13 Nov. 1. P.S. The woman that I get this food from bought one of my pups. She has 3 dogs on this food and the pup has great muscle tone, looks great. I am always on the lookout for a good quality dry food and stay away from supermarket shelves and find that usually only the crappy dog food is advertised on TV. OH well, that's my 2 cents worth. Vicki
  15. I'm curious what different BC owners feed their dogs & why. Vicki
  16. I think we all agree that the media sensationalizes. They also show what they want to show to manipulate public opinion. But the visual of 9/11 on 9/11 was not manipulation. It was horrifying reality that's been burned in our minds. I think the reason it was played over and over at the beginning is because people had a difficult time processing what happened. Now that it has sunk in, it's not being played as much----but maybe we need to see it occasionally again in case we become too complacent. It's easy for us as Americans to do so. I think that the "Osama tapes", showing the dogs (and I've heard in prior reports evidence of nerve gas testing was found when many bodies of animals---mostly dogs---were found strewn about the area where Al-Quaida had been), while a lot of other atrocities were committed on humans, is indicative of a particular mindset---that it's acceptable to use a defenseless being (read that as dog, child, woman, etc.)to achieve a goal. It's justified by the more educated to the less educated that it's done in the name of Allah---and how can an uneducated dirt bag not believe that he has greater glories waiting for him on the other side if he only does ???? in the name of Allah. Sliver groups, factions & sects have been doing this for centuries. I believe that there are some Christian sects that would still be burning people at the stake if it were still legal. Man has manipulated something that's supposed to be pure to suit his own purposes and it's always the defenseless, the ones with no voice, who pay the price. The problem with this now is even greater. When you combine a medieval mentality with 21st century technology--weapons, the destruction which can come about can be unfathomable------and 9/11 was unfathomable. Should women be the peacemakers? Nice thought, but I know of some women pissed off enough to go kick some butt over there themselves. I know I am. On 9/11, for over 4 hours, I didn't know if my daughter, who lives & works in lower Manhattan, by the WTC, was alive or dead. Those 4 hours of not knowing had an impact on me as well. Vicki
  17. Those tapes made me sick too, and if I had no use for those people before, I have even less now. Another image that sticks in my mind is the execution of a woman in the arena in Kabul. I just heard that the Wall Street Journal Reporter Daniel Pearl (? sp) was executed by getting his throat sliced while making a statement to the camera. How about the degenerate who shot out the lion's eye in the Kabul zoo because the lion messed up his kin? Kind of satisfying that the lion in this case had the last laugh---sent the SOB off to Allah (where instead of the 72 virgins promised to "men", hopefully he had a bunch of hormonal & armed feminists waiting---another great visual!) When we see examples of man's inhumanity to man, why would a mere dog be exempt? Let me be a little inhumane to say I prefer a visual of one of those barbarians instead, in a cage as the gas was let loose. Also, just think, throughout history and those of us who ever attended Sunday school, "dog" is a derogatory term in that part of the world, in Judeo-Christian & Islamic cultures. To call the degenerates who perpetrate these horrible acts on the defenseless, "animals", would be an insult to any four legged beast who ever walked the earth. I once read, and firmly believe, that of all the animals, the dog is the only one who is with us by choice. A more honest animal you'll never meet (man included). That trust, man has betrayed. It breaks my heart. Vicki
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