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  1. This was a great read, and a fantastic lens to view them through, thanks for sharing.
  2. Searching for some specific techniques and advice if others have this issue. I have a 10.5 m/o female whos been fantastic. She has a high level of obedience in her, works well around distractions, and a decent arsenal of tricks. High arousal etc to me seems in line with what I see in high energy breeds and her age, and she's exceptionally calm, cool, collected around the house. Specifically, she gets far too excited when running into human 'friends'. She too handsy with new people, but we're working on it, its reasonable. If its someone we know, and we run into them on the street, she's zooming around on the leash near instantly. I'm open to if I caused this, but other than not practicing this much, I'm a calm handler, we have guests over, etc. The past 2 months its been on an escalation trajectory vs subsiding, hence me inquiring. She went into her first heat about 10 days ago, and the excited response has increased 2 fold. A neighbor was on a smoke break on her second day of heat and we ran into her, she went berserk running in circles and jumping/ spinning for about 45 seconds. I just tend to ignore and not reward with attention or my repeated commands, but shes becoming harder to handle in that state. Also, best of my knowledge, she's not over threshold (which happened to her early on, and she outgrew). I think for heat, I'm not dwelling too much on these bursts cause everything is so hormonally weird right now. We do impulse control work a lot, as well as doing obedience training mixed with high arousal stuff, so looking for what I could be doing more of or better? As I type this, it kinda does feel like a general adolescent timeline thing. Did others see this leading up to and during first heat? Willing to just be patient, but unsure if it needs intervention. And to totally brag , she can recall from dogs now, she'll heel past other dogs, fine with bikes and busses, and city life, which is why this one specific thing I really want to figure out.
  3. Thanks @Pearse. A few days in, livestock wise we were lucky in that most everyone except some ducks are fenced and we can safely introduce her, she's been primarily on leash and has a ton of interest in the chickens, she likes to watch them, she has also gotten a lot of satisfaction from one particular coop where the younger chickens move with her, so she's seeing her influence. All in all she's done surprisingly well, she recalls away (of course theres a fence dividing and she knows that) but that aspects been good. Really underestimated how poorly she'd do out of her normal environment though in all other aspects. She's clearly just really uncomfortable and out of her element, and its been a trying time for everyone. Could be a super storm of 9-10 month fear period + first vacation away + tons of new stimuli, but she's been a handful and has really struggled to settle, leading to some exhausted tantrums and barking at the sky and any pin drop sound. She's in the middle of her first nap in 3-4 days, so we're taking it easy. She accompanied me today feeding the chickens and ducks and did great (all separated), she liked being part of the action and 'helping' and is calming down a bit. What a trip, thanks for the tips all!
  4. Ok, all makes sense, and thanks on the muzzle note. As for longline, yea, since its not our property I don't know how everyone's setup with fencing and the like, so until we're able to guarantee everyone can be safe and isolated, long line it is! I'll update how things turn out, and if any specific issues arise! Should be a fun week.
  5. Have a 9.5 month girl, whos been doing great with training and socialization. We live in an urban area, and despite the standard trials of puppy and adolescents behaviors that crop up, we've managed to train through everything that comes up. She's a harness, clicker, treats and toy girl as an fyi to training methods we chose for her. Her environment is definitely a city center, but not too loud, loads of kids, strollers, cars, motorcycles, etc. She's got her space everyday for romping, loves going for her walks, has been coming into work lately. Inside, fairly couch potato at this point but loves to play. Loves visitors, easily overexcited by guests (which is new). We had an opportunity come up to stay and vacation at a home in the countryside nearby, where there is some livestock. Goats, ducks, chickens etc. She's properly socialized to walk past birds, she's certainly interested and curious, never rounds them or crouches or anything. I'm excited to see her around livestock daily, could be a great training opportunity, but I want to be extra careful as this isn't my livestock. A few things I'm considering, but I figure this group could provide even more insight and experience to things I'm not considering. Considering a muzzle for her. She's never nipped or bitten or chased a bird before, she has wanted to chase the rabbits or rats she sees sometimes. She can 'ignore' them now, but its very apparent she's noticed them in the distance. Doing LAT training. We did this as a puppy, at really anything she noticed that made her stop and couldn't hear me. Seems to have worked as she typically gets curious, and then checks in. These will be all new stimuli so I figure it can't hurt. Long line. I love the longline, I feel her recalls at 80ish percent now, but I just prefer having that safety net. Especially on someone else's property, with their animals. Sticking to our routines like coming inside. When we've had access to a yard, she just putzes endlessly. She does much better when we stick to a schedule and she has inside time. Again a shame, as she'll have a farm to romp, but I just worry she'll get the wrong message about chilling out when she's tired vs going all out. Lots of rewarding curiosity while chickens and everyone are behind fences. She is plenty toy and food motivated, but it depends on what we're doing, and a bunch of factors. What I'm curious of. If I am rewarding say, calm reactions or being around animals, food seems more appropriate, as amping her up with tug or games could re-direct? Vice versa, if I see her prey drive kick in, I guess just remove from the situation? In all our time, she's never shown some of the physical instincts I have seen of other border collies, she's just a goofy kid. Once, when we were playing some tug, I had her come forward and gave her a 'down' and she did the BC crouch with tail wagging again, and as I brought her forward she crawled all the way slowly. It was awesome! Its never happened since . TBH I am not confident enough to notice if its instincts kicking in (if thats even a thing untrained), or if it was hunt/ prey drive revving up. I'm sure there's things I haven't considered, so input would be appreciated! As an FYI, she wont work stock ever, so this isn't a stepping stone attempt, but a great socialization op if we handle it right.
  6. I've been charged twice while cycling, both dogs turned out to be on leashes, one a long line, another it was just a surprised/ excited lunge on a 2m. I can tell you, at speed (35-40kmh), you can't see the leash. If they are behind you, you can out bike them, but coming from any other angle the options for a cyclist are limited to the path, and shouting at a cyclist always means something has gone/ will go wrong. I pulled over once, the long liner, apologized and was in fact training off leash reactions to cyclists. I was too exhausted/ shocked to really fuss in the moment, but that did not amuse me, nor did I feel at all sympathetic. Just an outside experience to consider while you work through stuff, good luck!
  7. We have a 7 month old, we think could be into adolescence (probably), though in general its been easy stuff so far, more watching the wheels turn in her head whether she has to obey a command etc. Some testing of boundaries, but honestly not much different from puppyhood, we never had any 'honeymoon phase' where she listened to everything and worshiped the ground we walk on like I have read about it. Overall she's much better now than she was at 4 months, and she's crazy and fun, so I'll take the win. One odd thing has been in the last few weeks, when my partner takes her out for a break or a walk, the pup either gets the zoomies coming home, or worse, is getting jumpy and bitey on my partner. This was something she did A LOT as like a baby puppy, and the normal, ignore, calm down, time for nap was all that was needed for about a month and it disappeared. We live in a cold area, my partner wore one of those long coats that drags low and is super tempting for a nippy puppy. Anyway, she'd do it to me occasionally, more my partner, it evaporated with time and consistency. Thing is, its back now, but only to her, and the sample size is large enough for it to be odd. She asked me to watch her handling the leash, and Indie basically is pulling on the harness in some way or another pretty much 100% of the time. She hands the leash to me, and its slack. When I walk her alone, several times a day, honestly most leash pulling has become more due to the harness than anything else. I did take on more of the training, and have been building my secret plan for Indie to win 'dog of the universe', but was I foolish in thinking the leash skills and behavior would be more transferable person to person? None of the above strikes me as 'bad', esp zoomies as I get it, but the biting is not appropriate at this age, esp when directed at one person. My partner is asking for tips.... but I don't know? I had one theory, in that we agreed we never do leash greeting with dogs, and kids still over excite Indie, I got much more comfortable much faster turning down greetings or just passing by things like that. My partner grew up with dogs saying hi on leash, and still kinda instinctively 'pauses' or hesitates when offered, then maybe changes her mind and tries to change direction, maybe that's frustrating to Indie, who was ready for a good butt sniff? Seeing dogs are hardly a consistent part of the equation though, this has happened on simple bathroom trips, heading back inside.
  8. This! This has worked splendidly for us, for me, it really helps me A) enjoy our time out even more, I'm much more motivated to get where we are going and B. I dont fall trap to going for 'just one more' or 'just a little closer'. Just call it on a success, and go home, times up. Thanks for the great advice! I've been walking her everyday to the park and back, super short. In all her time training, the stop when theres tension thing has kinda not really registered with Indie. The other day, she burst like she usually does to cross the crosswalk, and finally, she registered the tension, literally barked, jumped up and backwards into heel. THE funniest thing I have seen her do. The determination in her eyes to get across that crosswalk without pulling was hilarious. Yesterday was another huge improvement, same thing, walked all the way there 'calmly' , we did some laps not going into the grass where shes eating everything, did some obedience about 20 feet from a workout class of 30+ people, then had her in a settle, watching people picnic, kids biking, and folks kicking soccer balls for about 15 minutes. I would have taken a picture, but I didn't want to ruin it, though I looked weird sitting with my dog cross legged on a foot path. We had to quickly get up because the workout class started doing laps and those 30 people were charging right at us. Indie just looked at them coming and didnt move till I got her up quickly. One thing I tried yesterday I think helped a LOT, I ran with her for 50 or so feet a few times when we got to the park. Shes on leash, but I just did recall training, just running away from her having her chase some chicken. I think just making moving that fast ok and fun on leash every now and then maybe something just clicked and she got the marbles out. Anyway, been applying loads of this advice, and trying to be as consistent as possible, so thanks all for your help!
  9. Fun little 7 month update, with some more questions. I think from what we can tell, Indie has wound up being a little lower energy than we have been expecting at this age. Extremely driven compared to the average dog, but next to some aussie/ bc pups her age, shes not as driven or high energy as them. Healthy/ vet check when her off switch seemed to come on a few months back. That has led to us sort of realizing, she's quite susceptible to overstimulation/ threshold in the afternoon, when she's tired, if my partner and I are walking her together, or if its been too long without a good run in. Most of this is solvable through either de-sensitization, or management. One newer struggle has been her overstimulation at our local park. Its big green grassy fields, in the center is her fenced in dog park. In the fields, there is no hope anymore, she is nose to the ground, eating every stick, every goose poop, sprinting from scent to scent. I have no doubt with spring, and that its heavily trafficked by dogs, its an overwhelming place, and what seems that her nose has suddenly flicked on. I would describe her sniffing in the park as 'frantic'. I know she isn't entirely other threshold, but clearly close, I can get some vocal control over her, and when she remembers she'll eat food (she wont take food when over threshold). I guess this is flooding her senses? In terms of de-sensitization, I don't want to flood her or risk trying to train through threshold, how would some of you handle this? There is no gradation to the park, on a busy city sidewalk, shes great, on the footpaths in the park shes pretty ok, but very aware of where she is (near the dog park), 2 feet to the left in the grass, a nuclear bomb has gone off. I have done a few days where I took her to the park and back, when she went for a bathroom break, some improvement. I have worked out walking paths circling that park to see what her working distance can be from the park in sight, some improvement. I spent one day, where I just waited her out in the same patch of grass, with the least sticks and goose poo, managed what I could with the long line. It was about 25 minutes before she really looked to me. Of note, she has recently become quite toy motivated, Im learning how to work with that, and her current favorite is ball on a string. In this park, boiled chicken, salmon treats, ball on string, none of them can get her attention back until she's tired herself out. Admittedly, I'm not being consistent with my attempts, what is too much to expect, is this an issue with de-sensitization or management until she can handle that space?
  10. Just a brief update, some successes and some failures at 7 months. From the beginning we believed Indie bonded to me a bit more than my partner, I took on the training a little more, and am a bit firmer and consistent with her. However, I work from home, but upstairs where she largely isn't allowed so she's become accustomed to me leaving for several hours at a time, then resurfacing. My partner works downstairs in sight at all times. So even if she's crated or penned, she can see my partner. She is far more distressed at my partner leaving, than me, even when she's not alone. My partner also doesn't leave everyday, I do at least once. Her crate is in her little 'puppy room', which is our mudroom, with the X-Pen acting as the enclosure to limit her access to the rest of the apartment. She has had two bad times being left in her crate while we went for a walk. She had her dinner kong with peanut butter, which we'd hoped would make the leaving a positive. When we returned she was howling, and hiding in the corner of her crate. No drool, but breathing heavy, however she gets like that if shes working hard at the kong and we didn't have a camera, unsure how bad the outburst was. If I'm upstairs with door closed, my partner will sometimes leave and I can hear what she's doing. Howling or barking lasts no longer than 15 minutes, but every 30 minutes she kinda half heartedly howls once or twice. I call this puppy echo location - unsure if she remembers I am upstairs, she is kind of just pinging to see if there's any sympathy to be had We've left her just in her room, not in the crate, and she's done far better. She has a larger crate- it will be appropriate at full size but she outgrew the puppy crate, so she can do a bit more than stand and turnaround, which I think actually exacerbated her distress. In her room, she lets the empty apartment know of her disapproval, but gives up after a while and rests and chills. If my partner and I are both upstairs, she certainly whines once or twice, however I've known adult dogs that did this, just unhappy to be missing out. However its a huge victory over her baby puppy stage, where at first we couldn't be out of sight, then she couldn't be left alone downstairs etc. Its certainly not where we'd wanted to be training wise, but our hopes if she can become comfortable spending several hours alone downstairs without us, we just keep taking our time, and building up to her being home alone. We aren't doing well with our 'going out' routine, I forget that I have a predictable and practiced routine when I am really going out. Indie knows the 'training step outside' over the real deal, and I need to work on that. When my partner leaves, without fail, she forgets to just walk out and ignore indie, then realizes on the other side of the door. Same with re-entering, and encouraging an excited greeting. More to work on
  11. If she's light enough to carry, I would carry for as long as possible. I don't know the joint stress, but why risk it, and if she's going at any moderate pace without jumping now, I wouldn't expect that to continue. As for being carried, do keep desensitizing her to that as she'll need to be handled throughout her life. Be slow and gentle and use good treats. Ours never settled once on her own, would go until exhaustion took her if we didn't enforce a nap. At 4.5 months her off switch completely snapped on and has stuck. Every dog is different, but if yours is getting overtired, its time for a nap, wouldn't worry about afternoon schedules etc, she'll let you know whats working and what's not. For us, dinner and training is still at 6:30, shes pretty zonked by 8ish even now, gets a last bathroom trip when we go to bed and is asleep till morning. Yep that's seems right. Ours is 7 months old, still goes strong for about an hour, but then its time to end our activities so she can wind down. So long as she has her quiet resting area, you might have to keep guiding her there when its time, so she gets the idea not to overdo it. Lick mats and chews are calming activities if she's refusing rest, but at the end of the day, she'll need to learn to settle and there's a lot of training stuff out there to facilitate that. Afternoons are a common problem time, look up 'witching hour' . Take note of your own routines around that time too, something you're consistently doing could also be stimulating her. She's also teething, it gets worst ime right before the puppy teeth start falling out, when adult teeth start coming in. Can't be fun for them, and certainly not a relaxing feeling. Super cute, ours has white front legs too, its a very elegant look.
  12. What are others doing to prepare for any possible re-opening in the next few months? We make a point to leave our 6 month pup alone in the crate once a day, usually at night when she's having her dinner kong to ensure its not a negative. Where I live we won't have large re-openings for the next 4-6 months and I have a permanent WFH situation for some days a week when that happens (plus a dog friendly office). My partner as well worked from home full time before covid and will continue. That being said it is crazy how much time our pup spends with us, and would love to get some tips on doing some more significant separation training that we can take slow/ see what others are planning to do!
  13. Yes, by a sheer factor of how often you need to go out, I would think at that age you gotta do what you gotta do I don't think it's a BC thing, it's a puppy thing, she doesn't know how/ or want to be calm or alone. Just be consistent and with time it will get easier for everyone. Pre pandemic, people got puppies, took a little time off work, changed their schedule up for a few months. You're seeing each and every development and yawn and bark which makes it all seem like so much work. Great thing is you get to build a great bond, but what I needed was a reminder to not set your dog up for failure by conditioning them for a lifestyle you couldn't sustain.
  14. They need a lot of sleep, and if she can't turn off, then she'll be on her feet too long, climbing/ getting into stuff and you've got to keep her safe. My partners much more relaxed than I am, and our middle ground that seemed to work was to give her a chance during cooldown times to relax on her own, but if shes not settling then its crate time. In reality they may not always be sleeping in their crate, but they are resting which is important. As her 'chances' got longer and longer, she kinda figured out, 'well I would rather relax in my sun spot and keep an eye on my people vs hanging out in the crate'. @Meghan FWIW, the first time through was almost always like that. As we started over in higher distraction areas, she figured out it wasn't capturing any particular pose or movement, just 'dont get off the mat'. So we'd see her hip slide out, getting comfortable and treats still kept coming. Now 5 times through, we put the mat down, she gets on it, and her chins on her arm the whole time, she knows she can be as comfortable as she likes, just cant get off the mat. We also sprinkle in different times of the day, the mat goes down, she gets on it, jackpot reward, we say 'off', she gets off w/ no treat, move the mat, same thing, mat goes away. Someday in the future, we'd love to sit at cafes outside with her on the mat, so building the value now in hopes in a year or two that skills very deeply ingrained.
  15. Her name is Indiana! Ah yea, all of our outings involve seeing several dogs, her working range to them continues to improve, but she can become overloaded if her state of minds not really taken into account. This morning I was heading out for her walk, and our courtyard was alive with abnormal action, a work truck backing up the ramp, people everywhere. She was 100% fine, just something in my head told me to hold off, we did a tad of training just to get her eating some snacks and having a good time and we went home. As soon as we were back she got into her blanket and zoomed , so was clearly right there, and we took a good 20 minute cool off and relaxed. We headed back out and had a lovely 30 minute walk where she passed 4 or 5 dogs, cyclists etc and got her sniffies on. Just sort of learning from past experiences where she needs a bit of a warmup, and to trust my gut and give it another go. Of all that makes covid hard on raising a puppy, the flexibility to just try again in a bit while shes this young is pretty nice!
  16. Very true, and a factor of the learning curve. I upped the treat values, and clicking + treating for every checkin since then, so a tad excessive, but want to try a few weeks of rebuilding that checkin/ focus out and about. Ending any walk where it seems she's getting over threshold and can't calm. Today we made it 15+ minutes and all the way almost to the door of the dog park without a pull (she got excited as it was empty which means she gets to run laps ). I'm leaning that way too atm, and our rule is more than 3 dogs in there, and we pass by. She's too young to be processing that many social cues, when there are adult dogs in there they generally don't interact, or she curiously watches them, when its puppies, its chasing and rumbling, which is ok so long as we're active in monitoring. For us, its a fenced area extremely close, in a relatively posh neighborhood so on average the owners we have interacted with are committed folks, but you never know.
  17. How long? Keeping it 5 min or less is recommended, I've found with our 5-6 m/o, 3 minutes is even better, just more frequently. When mines tail is wagging and she's following me around, I stop. Long sessions can cause frustration and rile them up more, could possibly make her not enjoy training either. I used to do a sniff to find game with mine, and tbh it kinda just frustrated her and wasn't a relaxing activity, esp close to mealtime, so we stopped that. Also, would resist the urge to 'keep her occupied'. It's easier to accept that if you cant provide attention right now, she can chill and wait, or she'll need to go to a secure place, crate or pen. It's hard to tell from your formatting, but she seems to go really long stretches awake, which if she hasn't been taught a calm settle would probably have her clinging to stay awake and getting into trouble. Even as a young young pup ours would pace etc, but really was only awake an hour or two at a time. Now she's 'awake' more but laying at our feet or lounging in sun spots. I won't speak from deep experience, but we worked with a trainer, and checked here as well, and we were doing way, way too much with ours, we backed off, and shes settled wonderfully. Our schedule even then wasn't half as full as yours is now, so could be hard to sustain, but again it depends on lifestyle and how you plan to involve the dog. Overall it was hard to hear that doing less would result in more calm, but the more I learn about working breeds, the more that makes sense. Management helps a lot, when ours needed a nap, she went in the crate, when we couldn't supervise she s in the pen, and she only has access to the kitchen and living room to keep her world small. She's fully earned free reign of those rooms now, and settles where she likes all day. We don't have a yard so potty trips can be much more utilitarian (imo a benefit of not having a yard). As well, ours gets a frozen kong, takes her about an hour to finish. At her age, an hour of thinking and working at the kong, she's exhausted and sleeps for 3.5 - 4 hrs, yours is going outside to run around which I find surprising/ impressive, you must have a super dog. Yours also gets two kongs, a snuffle mat, possible puzzle toys, hidden food, and training. You have her working very hard for her food, but could you be cultivating an intensity and drive you may not want? More experienced people here might chime in with better advice there. Does she get any chew snacks? If she's not settling, maybe try flipping the above statement. Do much less, but much more of a strict timeline? Let your pup relax by not worrying what could come next or what could be needed, let her turn off. Have you tried capturing calmness, or the relaxation protocol? Both reward the pup for being calm, contrary to lots of obedience training which rewards alert & focus, something frankly BCs may not be lacking in already. FWIW, we started both from day 1, as we reduced her schedule these stayed in, and there wasn't much of a linear progression of it, she more 'clicked' into the house and schedule vs showing signs of gradual calming. However we also have no cats or kids, and are perfectly fine if our dog thinks we are too boring for her throughout the day.
  18. @GentleLakeYes, we have one on order, exactly for these cases, luckily they are infrequent, but this one was extreme and warranted concern both to post and ask, and to switch her to a harness for a bit. On her puppy harness we were still able to train loose leash fairly well without the same feedback, I'm comfortable going back to that for the time being to protect her! @Flora & MollyOk, thanks, and that's been my gut feeling too, she wasn't in the mood for a walk and we took her into the deep end instantly. Lesson learned. Again, thanks for the reassurance. I have to remind myself how many dogs live most of their lives in backyards, or far away from crowds of strangers and other dogs (nothing wrong with that) where some literature might be aimed at. Overall needed a breather, giving things a break and taking the training back a few steps. As well in the future, after thinking about it more and more, she was out of control before we left the building courtyard. New rule for the next few months might just be if we cant get her attention even there, to turn back instantly as she's off on the wrong foot. We've been a bit lax as well on treats on walks not changing it up or having high enough value with us, so yesterday we didn't stand a chance.
  19. Our 5.5 month old gets 3 outings a day (this is sustainable beyond current quarantine), we're in an urban area, and we observe a load of caution on her joints/ body in terms of time spent 'walking'. She's a lovely settled pup indoors so far, so not looking to exercise as any way to get her to calm down or anything. Obviously for her and our health, getting out and about is great! Since we are in an urban area, socialization happens a bit more organically, strangers/ bikes/ dogs/ construction etc. The walks are also a great tool for that (so we think). On walks, she pulls normally all the time like a puppy would, and the value of treats sort of dictates her closeness, we're experimenting with toy rewards. She wants to see dogs across the street, we dont do leash greetings. Strangers say hi and sometimes she'll put her paws up, we're working on it. However, 1 in 15 walks can completely meltdown into what I have to assume is her over excited, over threshold, over stimulated..... are all those the same things (online dog literature is very inconsistent)? Yesterday was one of those, my partner and I went out with her, and a series of things in order just sent her over the top, we should have ended the walk 2 minutes in, but we persisted which I feel horrible about now. In these cases, is it always best when they are 'over' to end things? I don't feel in her state that anything would get through to her. We took note of everything, most of which was I woke her from a nap because it was so nice out, and she had a way overexcited greeting with a small child in our building. Next it was 3 dogs across the street, a busy intersection, the park gate entrance, a skateboarder, birds in the field, families playing. From our building she was head down choking herself for 5 minutes, us tree stopping every pull, where she would go into a sit, then full burst sprint till she flipped over (repeat 100 times). It was very hard to watch to be honest. At the park itself she was pulling so hard, and we had her on a 6ft leash, she sprinted circles around us, leash fully taught. We were able to get to a quiet street out of the park, and head back home, total outing should have taken less than 5 minutes to get there, but was easily a 20 minute trip. At home, she plopped down and went to sleep, she seemed relieved to be home. So my questions: 1- Is this normal over threshold stuff? I have to do better at recognizing her state of mind, but want to ask if others had this with their pups 2- Train out of it or grow out of it? Obviously if I manage the above better, age will help her absorb things a little less chaotically? 3- Would you end any walk/ session there when this is starting? Would you just pick the dog up or try and turn around? 4- This park also contains her closest dog park which we frequent 1-3 times a week. I would never put her in the dog park in this state of mind, how important is dog dog socialization off leash if we arent doing leash greetings at this stage? I just want to take a step back, work with her focus around a few things leading there, that way I am not setting her up to fail if shes gonna go have a run there off lead. By focus I mostly mean she can be excited but not lose her head. 5- Edit*. In certain tight situations where we are passing kids/ dogs where she wants to say hi, I can use a high value treat. I guess that's 'luring', but is that training the desired behavior (passing respectfully) or distracting her from the distraction. I.e. is there any point to it? All in all, the pressure you feel from outside sources about socializing a pup early to all kinds of experiences is immense. We try and blend a good mix of stable predictability into her days, as well as the 'new' areas. A trainer we worked with advised making walks be all different places all the time to keep it stimulating and improve socialization, but she does so much better when she knows an area a little better. I think we might also be unfairly conditioning her, that when my partner and i walk her together, we are always going to the beach, or the dog park, or somewhere adventurous. That actually could have been the poison pill that started the whole thing yesterday as I dragged my partner away from work to 'have a good walk in the sun'.
  20. Just coming back to this, as resolution. Like all above said, we just sort of waited her out, and on her 5 month bday..... calming in the house just completely clicked. Actually so much so that I called our vet and she took a look when we went in for a checkup, as I would have classified it as a 'sudden change in personality'.. All clear. Thought about contacting the breeder to inquire if she possibly gave us a cat. Out and about she's anywhere from joyous puppy to overstimulated maniac (working on that), we get home, she plops down in any of her 30 'spots' and either sleeps or sort of zen meditates. We haven't crate napped her in about 3 weeks.. She gets a 30 minute walk in the morning, a 15 at lunch, a 30 at night, dog park 2-3 times a week, 3x3minute clicker trainings. Unfortunately haven't done a long line walk in a while as she outgrew her old harness and we're waiting on a new one, so not lots of running lately. She gets a chew treat a day if shes up, and we're on a work call, but tbh she doesn't pester really, and she'll go and inspect her toy basket to see if everything is there and up to code, makes sure we are also doing a good job at work etc. One thing my partner and I have noticed that since she's not covered crate napping, her sleeps not as deep, but throughout the day her energy is much less 'spikey'. Just a few weeks ago, she'd come out from a deep 2hr nap ready to rumble. Now, she may nap from 9 to about 1 on and off sort of just chilling. The advice to wait, and to give her time and lessen my expectations on her was greatly needed. Now lets just see how long this sticks for.
  21. I shouted across the street at a woman who'd already dropped her dogs leash and was heading over that my dog had an infection... it worked but I should probably steal this one for the future Great advice thanks! We've added a little post walk ritual where we stand in high traffic areas like our buildings garage entry, our courtyard entrance where people/ bikes/ dogs just 'appear', and she gets a treat for everything she sees sitting at my side. No idea if it's working, she sits calmly and is curious and gets candy, so I guess a positive. Out and about theres just unavoidable run ins, I'll just have to be patient with her and train through what we can. It's pretty unfair for her when she gets overexcited to greet someone right after she wakes up in the morning, and I'm trying to get her to sit and wait.
  22. Can only comment with our recent experiences, 5.5 month old female. We enforced crate naps up until a few weeks ago, it was her 5 month birthday to the day. She suddenly started napping in her spots, and wasn't fussy and lays at our feet while inside. She gets her exercise and walks outside, and inside (so far) she has been a complete cozy pup. Give her the chances to settle with you, but she needs a lot of rest and will only pick up bad habits if she putzes around seeking stimulation constantly. She'll eventually associate household 'downtime' where theres no work for her and she can either settle next to her people, or be in the crate. I've known people who never had to enforce naps with their pups, some needed it throughout the first year. We may need it again come adolescence, it's a good skill to have and imo not 'bad' they need a break. I think it's very early, so long as the x-pens not totally isolated she can still watch all the action, crate inside or out of it won't really matter. Ours too, was the exact same way. We honestly don't use it a ton anymore, however its good management when she misbehaves or we need her out of the way, so we don't plan on taking ours down anytime soon. Try maybe spending some time in there? I spent 5 mins or so a day sitting in the pen with ours for somewhat random reasons like cleaning her paws after a walk or reading a book/ checking emails. You can also do some really short training sessions in there too. She's jumpy and whiny because you are the best! I think folks might be quick to say to drop the pads, but tbh in an apartment, I wish we had pad trained ours. A random health issue early on meant she was on meds for a week and couldn't hold it longer than 15 minutes. Tons of accidents in her Pen that week, didnt impact the pen at all, just a setback in potty training. Sounds like everything you are doing is great! TBH at 9 weeks I don't think they posses the physical ability to hold their bladders so just giving them lots of treats and success outside will make sense around 3.5-4 months when that association can be made. One thing, would be also playing with her near her X-pen. This helps if she gets bitey or starts nipping, for a quick 30-60 second timeout in the pen, its right there. Positive tone, 'oops' or 'timeout' word is used, they get placed in and you walk away. Honestly thats been the best use of the x-pen for us, and doesn't risk us putting her in her crate for a timeout with the wrong tone or attitude that she gets a bad sense of the crate. When your pup makes 5 mistakes in a row, thats 5 chances for you to do the exact same thing i.e. X-pen timeout and end the fun. She'll get it pretty fast. Good luck!
  23. A few days in. I think we can tell its a fear period, but maybe interwoven with some legitimate spooked behavior, as the men on the roof is odd, she never sees anyone out there. She is very alert in the area, but the men have come back, she was freaked and ran and hid, but we're letting her self comfort and not deviating too much. Today after a period of 'watching' out the window alertly from the couch, she fell asleep on said couch so there is moderate improvement. We'll refrain from covering windows for now as shes not getting worse, in fact shes trying to self calm, so we'll let it run its course. On a walk today however she got irrationally scared of a sign, then a wall. It was safe to let her so I let her get clear of her fear on leash and we carried on. This was more in line with what I expected with a fear period. This was in the back of my mind, so thanks for the advice. As a precaution, we had a friend come over whom she'd never met. Due to covid, not too many house guests and wanted to rule out any protection or guarding stuff with the home. She welcomed him in, joyously and played, and in fact lounged about in her areas she's been fearing so could rule that out for now thankfully. If things escalate, or proceed beyond 10 days we'll make adjustments and see what to do next.
  24. We live in an urban area, I've never seen this sequence before in 2 years prior, but it could last weeks, you never know with these things. I think thats the strange part, shes used to seeing birds circle up there, not people in strange uniforms. She is pretty de-sensitized to noises, our street outside the front is quite loud, but we usually don't enter and exit that side, and our windows are soundproof. We have started more desensitization, training and feeding with the windows gradually cracked to prepare her for summer when they'll be cracked for airflow. Its a good point, I want to claim it was the sight, but tomorrow I will keep an eye out if she seems more noise sensitive in the room where the windows are. Ok, thanks. Never sure when management conflicts with her having the new experiences, but I think we'll give this a shot. Giver her a chance to relax.
  25. Seeking some advice on fear and fear periods. Our 5 month old female pup, has had one fear phase instance around 4 months. Inconsolable barking and crying at bicycles. I was ready to work with her, counter condition etc... lasted a whole day. So strange. Today, an issue cropped up which was new, and she's been exhibiting completely different behavior since. I want to assume its another fear period, but I also want to ask more experienced folks. I hate the idea of assuming something is normal or will just extinguish on its own. At the building across the street from us, there were workmen working on the roof. These are men in workmen outfits, gloves, ear protection, reflective vests. It's genuinely strange to see that sight on the roof, and it wouldn't be a common occurrence. She saw them from our window, was alert and started low barking. She also happens to be at a stage where she is hard to re-direct in general with her listening so I wasn't able to really call her away or divert her. A few barks and she tucked tail and fled, cowering in the house. I tried, probably foolishly, to take her to the balcony upstairs to show her the men across the way more clearly. She ran to the opposite side of the house, getting as far as possible so I stopped pushing, and didn't carry her. My partner and I sat with her to try and calm her, she was clearly spooked, but we realized we also don't want to indulge the fear. We opted to spend the day acting normally, and carrying out our routine. She did a bunch of things she never does, she sat completely still on her bed for an hour not sleeping, went into her crate and laid down. Never does either when we're around, she still has puppy fomo. We put her in for a nap after a while of just not shaking the mood, not wanting to play, not taking any food lures (she would take food given to her). Woke, and she was clearly constantly checking the window for the men. Walking out the front of our building, you can see that building and she gives a bark, then tries to run into the first door available, pulls like wild to get away and back to our home. We started watching tv with her on the couch, and the tv reflects in the windows, which catches her eye, and she gives one bark and retreats to the opposite side of the house again cowering at the front door. So she's been fearful and uncomfortable for about 6 hrs. I know if its a fear stage these come and go, but do we proceed as normal to ensure she knows its ok, do we try and counter against the fear? The internet is quite unclear with a lot of 'stay consistent'. We're working on separation training, which we'll pause as to not exacerbate while she's distressed in the home. Should we cover our windows until she is more comfortable or have her cope with them? Ignore her fear and re-direct so she doesn't rehearse the barking seems obvious, but we wait and see how things escalate/ de-escalate? A fear out and about I was prepared for, so sad to see her so scared in her own home! Thanks for reading, any advice would be much appreciated.
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