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  1. This was a great read, and a fantastic lens to view them through, thanks for sharing.
  2. Searching for some specific techniques and advice if others have this issue. I have a 10.5 m/o female whos been fantastic. She has a high level of obedience in her, works well around distractions, and a decent arsenal of tricks. High arousal etc to me seems in line with what I see in high energy breeds and her age, and she's exceptionally calm, cool, collected around the house. Specifically, she gets far too excited when running into human 'friends'. She too handsy with new people, but we're working on it, its reasonable. If its someone we know, and we run into them on the street, she's zooming around on the leash near instantly. I'm open to if I caused this, but other than not practicing this much, I'm a calm handler, we have guests over, etc. The past 2 months its been on an escalation trajectory vs subsiding, hence me inquiring. She went into her first heat about 10 days ago, and the excited response has increased 2 fold. A neighbor was on a smoke break on her second day of heat and we ran into her, she went berserk running in circles and jumping/ spinning for about 45 seconds. I just tend to ignore and not reward with attention or my repeated commands, but shes becoming harder to handle in that state. Also, best of my knowledge, she's not over threshold (which happened to her early on, and she outgrew). I think for heat, I'm not dwelling too much on these bursts cause everything is so hormonally weird right now. We do impulse control work a lot, as well as doing obedience training mixed with high arousal stuff, so looking for what I could be doing more of or better? As I type this, it kinda does feel like a general adolescent timeline thing. Did others see this leading up to and during first heat? Willing to just be patient, but unsure if it needs intervention. And to totally brag , she can recall from dogs now, she'll heel past other dogs, fine with bikes and busses, and city life, which is why this one specific thing I really want to figure out.
  3. Thanks @Pearse. A few days in, livestock wise we were lucky in that most everyone except some ducks are fenced and we can safely introduce her, she's been primarily on leash and has a ton of interest in the chickens, she likes to watch them, she has also gotten a lot of satisfaction from one particular coop where the younger chickens move with her, so she's seeing her influence. All in all she's done surprisingly well, she recalls away (of course theres a fence dividing and she knows that) but that aspects been good. Really underestimated how poorly she'd do out of her normal environment though in all other aspects. She's clearly just really uncomfortable and out of her element, and its been a trying time for everyone. Could be a super storm of 9-10 month fear period + first vacation away + tons of new stimuli, but she's been a handful and has really struggled to settle, leading to some exhausted tantrums and barking at the sky and any pin drop sound. She's in the middle of her first nap in 3-4 days, so we're taking it easy. She accompanied me today feeding the chickens and ducks and did great (all separated), she liked being part of the action and 'helping' and is calming down a bit. What a trip, thanks for the tips all!
  4. Ok, all makes sense, and thanks on the muzzle note. As for longline, yea, since its not our property I don't know how everyone's setup with fencing and the like, so until we're able to guarantee everyone can be safe and isolated, long line it is! I'll update how things turn out, and if any specific issues arise! Should be a fun week.
  5. Have a 9.5 month girl, whos been doing great with training and socialization. We live in an urban area, and despite the standard trials of puppy and adolescents behaviors that crop up, we've managed to train through everything that comes up. She's a harness, clicker, treats and toy girl as an fyi to training methods we chose for her. Her environment is definitely a city center, but not too loud, loads of kids, strollers, cars, motorcycles, etc. She's got her space everyday for romping, loves going for her walks, has been coming into work lately. Inside, fairly couch potato at this point but loves to play. Loves visitors, easily overexcited by guests (which is new). We had an opportunity come up to stay and vacation at a home in the countryside nearby, where there is some livestock. Goats, ducks, chickens etc. She's properly socialized to walk past birds, she's certainly interested and curious, never rounds them or crouches or anything. I'm excited to see her around livestock daily, could be a great training opportunity, but I want to be extra careful as this isn't my livestock. A few things I'm considering, but I figure this group could provide even more insight and experience to things I'm not considering. Considering a muzzle for her. She's never nipped or bitten or chased a bird before, she has wanted to chase the rabbits or rats she sees sometimes. She can 'ignore' them now, but its very apparent she's noticed them in the distance. Doing LAT training. We did this as a puppy, at really anything she noticed that made her stop and couldn't hear me. Seems to have worked as she typically gets curious, and then checks in. These will be all new stimuli so I figure it can't hurt. Long line. I love the longline, I feel her recalls at 80ish percent now, but I just prefer having that safety net. Especially on someone else's property, with their animals. Sticking to our routines like coming inside. When we've had access to a yard, she just putzes endlessly. She does much better when we stick to a schedule and she has inside time. Again a shame, as she'll have a farm to romp, but I just worry she'll get the wrong message about chilling out when she's tired vs going all out. Lots of rewarding curiosity while chickens and everyone are behind fences. She is plenty toy and food motivated, but it depends on what we're doing, and a bunch of factors. What I'm curious of. If I am rewarding say, calm reactions or being around animals, food seems more appropriate, as amping her up with tug or games could re-direct? Vice versa, if I see her prey drive kick in, I guess just remove from the situation? In all our time, she's never shown some of the physical instincts I have seen of other border collies, she's just a goofy kid. Once, when we were playing some tug, I had her come forward and gave her a 'down' and she did the BC crouch with tail wagging again, and as I brought her forward she crawled all the way slowly. It was awesome! Its never happened since . TBH I am not confident enough to notice if its instincts kicking in (if thats even a thing untrained), or if it was hunt/ prey drive revving up. I'm sure there's things I haven't considered, so input would be appreciated! As an FYI, she wont work stock ever, so this isn't a stepping stone attempt, but a great socialization op if we handle it right.
  6. I've been charged twice while cycling, both dogs turned out to be on leashes, one a long line, another it was just a surprised/ excited lunge on a 2m. I can tell you, at speed (35-40kmh), you can't see the leash. If they are behind you, you can out bike them, but coming from any other angle the options for a cyclist are limited to the path, and shouting at a cyclist always means something has gone/ will go wrong. I pulled over once, the long liner, apologized and was in fact training off leash reactions to cyclists. I was too exhausted/ shocked to really fuss in the moment, but that did not amuse me, nor did I feel at all sympathetic. Just an outside experience to consider while you work through stuff, good luck!
  7. We have a 7 month old, we think could be into adolescence (probably), though in general its been easy stuff so far, more watching the wheels turn in her head whether she has to obey a command etc. Some testing of boundaries, but honestly not much different from puppyhood, we never had any 'honeymoon phase' where she listened to everything and worshiped the ground we walk on like I have read about it. Overall she's much better now than she was at 4 months, and she's crazy and fun, so I'll take the win. One odd thing has been in the last few weeks, when my partner takes her out for a break or a walk, the pup either gets the zoomies coming home, or worse, is getting jumpy and bitey on my partner. This was something she did A LOT as like a baby puppy, and the normal, ignore, calm down, time for nap was all that was needed for about a month and it disappeared. We live in a cold area, my partner wore one of those long coats that drags low and is super tempting for a nippy puppy. Anyway, she'd do it to me occasionally, more my partner, it evaporated with time and consistency. Thing is, its back now, but only to her, and the sample size is large enough for it to be odd. She asked me to watch her handling the leash, and Indie basically is pulling on the harness in some way or another pretty much 100% of the time. She hands the leash to me, and its slack. When I walk her alone, several times a day, honestly most leash pulling has become more due to the harness than anything else. I did take on more of the training, and have been building my secret plan for Indie to win 'dog of the universe', but was I foolish in thinking the leash skills and behavior would be more transferable person to person? None of the above strikes me as 'bad', esp zoomies as I get it, but the biting is not appropriate at this age, esp when directed at one person. My partner is asking for tips.... but I don't know? I had one theory, in that we agreed we never do leash greeting with dogs, and kids still over excite Indie, I got much more comfortable much faster turning down greetings or just passing by things like that. My partner grew up with dogs saying hi on leash, and still kinda instinctively 'pauses' or hesitates when offered, then maybe changes her mind and tries to change direction, maybe that's frustrating to Indie, who was ready for a good butt sniff? Seeing dogs are hardly a consistent part of the equation though, this has happened on simple bathroom trips, heading back inside.
  8. This! This has worked splendidly for us, for me, it really helps me A) enjoy our time out even more, I'm much more motivated to get where we are going and B. I dont fall trap to going for 'just one more' or 'just a little closer'. Just call it on a success, and go home, times up. Thanks for the great advice! I've been walking her everyday to the park and back, super short. In all her time training, the stop when theres tension thing has kinda not really registered with Indie. The other day, she burst like she usually does to cross the crosswalk, and finally, she registered the tension, literally barked, jumped up and backwards into heel. THE funniest thing I have seen her do. The determination in her eyes to get across that crosswalk without pulling was hilarious. Yesterday was another huge improvement, same thing, walked all the way there 'calmly' , we did some laps not going into the grass where shes eating everything, did some obedience about 20 feet from a workout class of 30+ people, then had her in a settle, watching people picnic, kids biking, and folks kicking soccer balls for about 15 minutes. I would have taken a picture, but I didn't want to ruin it, though I looked weird sitting with my dog cross legged on a foot path. We had to quickly get up because the workout class started doing laps and those 30 people were charging right at us. Indie just looked at them coming and didnt move till I got her up quickly. One thing I tried yesterday I think helped a LOT, I ran with her for 50 or so feet a few times when we got to the park. Shes on leash, but I just did recall training, just running away from her having her chase some chicken. I think just making moving that fast ok and fun on leash every now and then maybe something just clicked and she got the marbles out. Anyway, been applying loads of this advice, and trying to be as consistent as possible, so thanks all for your help!
  9. Fun little 7 month update, with some more questions. I think from what we can tell, Indie has wound up being a little lower energy than we have been expecting at this age. Extremely driven compared to the average dog, but next to some aussie/ bc pups her age, shes not as driven or high energy as them. Healthy/ vet check when her off switch seemed to come on a few months back. That has led to us sort of realizing, she's quite susceptible to overstimulation/ threshold in the afternoon, when she's tired, if my partner and I are walking her together, or if its been too long without a good run in. Most of this is solvable through either de-sensitization, or management. One newer struggle has been her overstimulation at our local park. Its big green grassy fields, in the center is her fenced in dog park. In the fields, there is no hope anymore, she is nose to the ground, eating every stick, every goose poop, sprinting from scent to scent. I have no doubt with spring, and that its heavily trafficked by dogs, its an overwhelming place, and what seems that her nose has suddenly flicked on. I would describe her sniffing in the park as 'frantic'. I know she isn't entirely other threshold, but clearly close, I can get some vocal control over her, and when she remembers she'll eat food (she wont take food when over threshold). I guess this is flooding her senses? In terms of de-sensitization, I don't want to flood her or risk trying to train through threshold, how would some of you handle this? There is no gradation to the park, on a busy city sidewalk, shes great, on the footpaths in the park shes pretty ok, but very aware of where she is (near the dog park), 2 feet to the left in the grass, a nuclear bomb has gone off. I have done a few days where I took her to the park and back, when she went for a bathroom break, some improvement. I have worked out walking paths circling that park to see what her working distance can be from the park in sight, some improvement. I spent one day, where I just waited her out in the same patch of grass, with the least sticks and goose poo, managed what I could with the long line. It was about 25 minutes before she really looked to me. Of note, she has recently become quite toy motivated, Im learning how to work with that, and her current favorite is ball on a string. In this park, boiled chicken, salmon treats, ball on string, none of them can get her attention back until she's tired herself out. Admittedly, I'm not being consistent with my attempts, what is too much to expect, is this an issue with de-sensitization or management until she can handle that space?
  10. Just a brief update, some successes and some failures at 7 months. From the beginning we believed Indie bonded to me a bit more than my partner, I took on the training a little more, and am a bit firmer and consistent with her. However, I work from home, but upstairs where she largely isn't allowed so she's become accustomed to me leaving for several hours at a time, then resurfacing. My partner works downstairs in sight at all times. So even if she's crated or penned, she can see my partner. She is far more distressed at my partner leaving, than me, even when she's not alone. My partner also doesn't leave everyday, I do at least once. Her crate is in her little 'puppy room', which is our mudroom, with the X-Pen acting as the enclosure to limit her access to the rest of the apartment. She has had two bad times being left in her crate while we went for a walk. She had her dinner kong with peanut butter, which we'd hoped would make the leaving a positive. When we returned she was howling, and hiding in the corner of her crate. No drool, but breathing heavy, however she gets like that if shes working hard at the kong and we didn't have a camera, unsure how bad the outburst was. If I'm upstairs with door closed, my partner will sometimes leave and I can hear what she's doing. Howling or barking lasts no longer than 15 minutes, but every 30 minutes she kinda half heartedly howls once or twice. I call this puppy echo location - unsure if she remembers I am upstairs, she is kind of just pinging to see if there's any sympathy to be had We've left her just in her room, not in the crate, and she's done far better. She has a larger crate- it will be appropriate at full size but she outgrew the puppy crate, so she can do a bit more than stand and turnaround, which I think actually exacerbated her distress. In her room, she lets the empty apartment know of her disapproval, but gives up after a while and rests and chills. If my partner and I are both upstairs, she certainly whines once or twice, however I've known adult dogs that did this, just unhappy to be missing out. However its a huge victory over her baby puppy stage, where at first we couldn't be out of sight, then she couldn't be left alone downstairs etc. Its certainly not where we'd wanted to be training wise, but our hopes if she can become comfortable spending several hours alone downstairs without us, we just keep taking our time, and building up to her being home alone. We aren't doing well with our 'going out' routine, I forget that I have a predictable and practiced routine when I am really going out. Indie knows the 'training step outside' over the real deal, and I need to work on that. When my partner leaves, without fail, she forgets to just walk out and ignore indie, then realizes on the other side of the door. Same with re-entering, and encouraging an excited greeting. More to work on
  11. If she's light enough to carry, I would carry for as long as possible. I don't know the joint stress, but why risk it, and if she's going at any moderate pace without jumping now, I wouldn't expect that to continue. As for being carried, do keep desensitizing her to that as she'll need to be handled throughout her life. Be slow and gentle and use good treats. Ours never settled once on her own, would go until exhaustion took her if we didn't enforce a nap. At 4.5 months her off switch completely snapped on and has stuck. Every dog is different, but if yours is getting overtired, its time for a nap, wouldn't worry about afternoon schedules etc, she'll let you know whats working and what's not. For us, dinner and training is still at 6:30, shes pretty zonked by 8ish even now, gets a last bathroom trip when we go to bed and is asleep till morning. Yep that's seems right. Ours is 7 months old, still goes strong for about an hour, but then its time to end our activities so she can wind down. So long as she has her quiet resting area, you might have to keep guiding her there when its time, so she gets the idea not to overdo it. Lick mats and chews are calming activities if she's refusing rest, but at the end of the day, she'll need to learn to settle and there's a lot of training stuff out there to facilitate that. Afternoons are a common problem time, look up 'witching hour' . Take note of your own routines around that time too, something you're consistently doing could also be stimulating her. She's also teething, it gets worst ime right before the puppy teeth start falling out, when adult teeth start coming in. Can't be fun for them, and certainly not a relaxing feeling. Super cute, ours has white front legs too, its a very elegant look.
  12. What are others doing to prepare for any possible re-opening in the next few months? We make a point to leave our 6 month pup alone in the crate once a day, usually at night when she's having her dinner kong to ensure its not a negative. Where I live we won't have large re-openings for the next 4-6 months and I have a permanent WFH situation for some days a week when that happens (plus a dog friendly office). My partner as well worked from home full time before covid and will continue. That being said it is crazy how much time our pup spends with us, and would love to get some tips on doing some more significant separation training that we can take slow/ see what others are planning to do!
  13. Yes, by a sheer factor of how often you need to go out, I would think at that age you gotta do what you gotta do I don't think it's a BC thing, it's a puppy thing, she doesn't know how/ or want to be calm or alone. Just be consistent and with time it will get easier for everyone. Pre pandemic, people got puppies, took a little time off work, changed their schedule up for a few months. You're seeing each and every development and yawn and bark which makes it all seem like so much work. Great thing is you get to build a great bond, but what I needed was a reminder to not set your dog up for failure by conditioning them for a lifestyle you couldn't sustain.
  14. They need a lot of sleep, and if she can't turn off, then she'll be on her feet too long, climbing/ getting into stuff and you've got to keep her safe. My partners much more relaxed than I am, and our middle ground that seemed to work was to give her a chance during cooldown times to relax on her own, but if shes not settling then its crate time. In reality they may not always be sleeping in their crate, but they are resting which is important. As her 'chances' got longer and longer, she kinda figured out, 'well I would rather relax in my sun spot and keep an eye on my people vs hanging out in the crate'. @Meghan FWIW, the first time through was almost always like that. As we started over in higher distraction areas, she figured out it wasn't capturing any particular pose or movement, just 'dont get off the mat'. So we'd see her hip slide out, getting comfortable and treats still kept coming. Now 5 times through, we put the mat down, she gets on it, and her chins on her arm the whole time, she knows she can be as comfortable as she likes, just cant get off the mat. We also sprinkle in different times of the day, the mat goes down, she gets on it, jackpot reward, we say 'off', she gets off w/ no treat, move the mat, same thing, mat goes away. Someday in the future, we'd love to sit at cafes outside with her on the mat, so building the value now in hopes in a year or two that skills very deeply ingrained.
  15. Her name is Indiana! Ah yea, all of our outings involve seeing several dogs, her working range to them continues to improve, but she can become overloaded if her state of minds not really taken into account. This morning I was heading out for her walk, and our courtyard was alive with abnormal action, a work truck backing up the ramp, people everywhere. She was 100% fine, just something in my head told me to hold off, we did a tad of training just to get her eating some snacks and having a good time and we went home. As soon as we were back she got into her blanket and zoomed , so was clearly right there, and we took a good 20 minute cool off and relaxed. We headed back out and had a lovely 30 minute walk where she passed 4 or 5 dogs, cyclists etc and got her sniffies on. Just sort of learning from past experiences where she needs a bit of a warmup, and to trust my gut and give it another go. Of all that makes covid hard on raising a puppy, the flexibility to just try again in a bit while shes this young is pretty nice!
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