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  1. Not much help as far as what breeds get along well with border collie, been wondering something similar myself for the future. i just wanted to reiterate what was mentioned above about looking for a rescue from a foster home. Especiall6 with young kids involved. We took a dog through a rescue in a foster to adopt situation. She was a lovely dog from a shelter, pretty shut down in the shelter. Shelter said she was good with dogs, cats, kids, etc. Important for us, we have a very senior cat and two small kids. We got her home, she was very timid and shy at first. Long time to decompress and start to come out of her shell, apart from chasing the cat. That she wanted to do from day 1. As far as the kids, she was terrified of them at first. Once she got more comfortable it because clear she wasn’t suitable around young kids, very mouthy with them, knocked them down, etc. Pretty much like an overgrown puppy, but being a 3 year old coonhound wasn’t good. We ended up fostering her a couple months, worked on her training and were able to give a much more detailed report on her behaviours and needs and she found a lovely suitable home. The point of my story, lol, is that a foster based rescue can tell you lots more about a dog in a home situation and give you a better idea how it will fit into your home than a shelter can. The foster home will often work on basic training with the dog as well. Important when you have young kids you need to consider. We are looking at getting another rescue down the road when our current dog is a bit older, will definitely look for one already in a foster home this time.
  2. We fostered an overweight jack Russell once years ago. At the time the vet recommended feeding him carrots as a treat. He loved them. I would guess other veggies might work as well if your dog had other preferences.
  3. Thank you for your comment. I will check out those resources. Might be a fun family road trip and would also be cool for the kids to see I think. Would be good to get a feel for it and see what is involved before diving in.
  4. Hi everyone, our puppy Katie is now almost 10 months. She has been doing better with the barking. She still barks, I think she is just a vocal dog. However, she will give a couple barks and look to me for guidance now (for the most part) rather than going nuts and charging up and down the fence line. One really positive thing is I have noticed lately (I think this happened gradually over a period of time) that she is finally starting to settle in the house more. Whether it is a bit of maturity beginning or all our relaxation protocol work starting to finally pay off (been doing it since 4-5 months old) but she is calmer in the house. She will actually sometimes go lay down somewhere and chill and has actually been laying down and taking a nap in the mornings after her morning walk all on her own. This is a BIG step for her. I think the challenges have been partly that she is quite a high intensity dog even for a border collie (from what I have read on here) and the kids are quite active themselves and very exciting for her. We are still working on not getting too excited when we see dogs on walks and reactivity to a couple of things (skateboards mainly right now). I liked reading that article posted that mentioned how border collies don’t like changes in environment. We got a new barbecue a couple weeks ago, put it in the yard and Katie was quite nervous about that for a number of days. Lots of treats were required. Actually many things in that article seemed to apply to her, so thanks for that. It was a good read. Also still working to get the recall to 100% off leash so we can head out on some trails in the future without the long line getting tangled everywhere. My question is: Katie is in heat for the first time right now. I have never had a dog in heat before. My 2 previous female dogs were spayed through their respective rescues before I adopted them, Katie is our first puppy. We are planning to spay her, but waiting for her to mature a bit more. We are doing ok with keeping her isolated from male dogs (and coyotes, my husband found one prowling around our gate at 3 am when he left for work the other morning!). What I can’t seem to find info on is how do you know when it is over? Everything I have read has such varied times, because I guess the time varies. She did swell up ALOT, when the swelling goes down is that a good indicator? my other question is something that I think I caused myself inadvertently. My 3 year old son is not a great listener, like all 3 year olds everywhere lol. We were hiking one day, the boys and I had Katie on her long line. There is this massive steep hill on the way home, I tell the 3 year old to go slow down the hill, don’t run, etc. Of course he takes off at a sprint and was in danger of tumbling head over heels, I was behind him and reached to grab his shirt and missed. Katie actually got in front of him, put her body like a T in front of him and helped him slow down with her body so he didn’t fall down the huge hill. I was glad he didn’t fall and probably said good girl. Problem is this seems to have stuck with her, she is very smart. So now sometimes when I am telling Rory to stop doing something, often in a strong voice (I am normally a very soft spoken person, but this kid tries your patience at this age!), she will go and walk in front of him. This is harmless at this point, but I think should maybe be nipped in the bud. I don’t want it to develop into her trying to control their motion, even though I was grateful in the first situation. Thoughts? sorry, one more thing. Does anyone know of good herding instruction in southern Ontario. I have no experience whatsoever. I think Katie might really enjoy it and she is shaping up to be a dog who really needs a job. I think it looks very interesting. I would like to maybe go check a place out, but I have no idea what to look for when scoping out a place. There is a place not far away called Mayrich kennels, if anyone has heard of them. Has been recommended for dog training classes, but no one I know does herding. Thanks.
  5. Our pup just turned 9 months in July, we also have been under lockdowns and “stay at home” orders since we got her. Things are finally starting to loosen up a touch here. She also gets very over excited when someone comes to the door, I’m thinking it’s also because this never happened in her early puppyhood. Mine also gets way excited, barks in a way that sounds quite fierce, but when the person enters she is often friendly if she gets to meet them. Sometimes to the point of going too far, jumping up and all the things she really knows she shouldn’t do. I think this will be a long slow desensitization process. It would probably help to work on the relaxation protocol stuff first, then maybe have a friend or someone who can do kind of controlled doorknocks, so you know when it is coming and can work on that with your dog. In the relaxation protocol there is a section where you are leaving the room and knocking on a door, even opening it and pretending to talk to a “visitor”, it kind of builds up gradually to these things and can be a big help.
  6. Not a great picture the light is bad in it. An updated method of couch sitting, she now sits on the top of the couch behind me and kind of hugs me with her paws and rests her head on my shoulder. Pretty cute I guess. about a week shy of 9 months now.
  7. Thank you for clarification nuance, food for thought there. yes, good idea Michael Parky. We are still working on learning proper greetings with Katie, but in some situations that would be good. The most intense barking is at dogs who walk by and while she loves dogs she can be a very excited greeter so still working on manners with that on the leash. We are making progress with our method. Generally she runs over and barks, I call her and she comes, I reward and usually have her stay for maybe 10 seconds or so, reward and release. She is kind of just a bit barky by nature I think and I don’t mind her giving a few barks at something, but she can get carried away and excessive without management. thanks for helpful comments!
  8. I am glad you are doing your training with the bikes on leash. I am a jogger and I don’t appreciate off leash dogs chasing me. Even if they are “friendly”. I love dogs, but it can be scary. Last week someone was training their 2 Italian mastiffs off leash on the trail I was running on. The dogs kept chasing after me, the owner would call “down” and the dogs would down, but then one second later were up in pursuit again. Not fun. I see your dog doesn’t chase joggers, so not quite the same, but I am guessing the cyclists might feel the same I do. So I am glad to hear you are doing the training for this on leash around the bikes. I always appreciate when I am jogging when someone calls their off leash dog over when they see me coming, even clicking on a leash for the time it to takes to pass by if they think their dog might give chase. I always thank them for their consideration.
  9. Sorry, about the kongs too. I do give Katie kongs, actually part of her meal is a Kong. It is more licking than chewing I guess, but does take her about half hour to get through it. Keeps her occupied and settled, settling in the house HAS been an issue for us. Not like someone here told me once that their dog slept for 3 hours after the Kong, but settled for a bit at least. I fill it it up with layer of kibble, then layer of peanut butter or yogurt and so on and kind of stir it up. If I have bits of cooked chicken or something I will mix that in too and freeze. I had never used kongs before and looked up online different ways to fill them and there are lots of cool recipes. I just found that simple worked best for me.
  10. Haha, mine likes pine cones too. I couldnt say exactly how long it took. I pretty much started it right away from day 1 of walking, she was a puller from the get go. She has always been quite sensitive and reactive, so leash walking was an area that required attention from the start. Pretty much it took awhile. I would say she was walking pretty nicely by 5 months, there is the odd slip up and then I stop and she remembers. As lawgirl said, there was lots of stop and start, lots of days when we didn’t cover much ground on a walk, but we did get there eventually. Stick with it. And yeah, if the stopping isn’t getting her attention to you, turn and walk the other way.
  11. Nuance, I am sorry I just don’t understand your comment or what your advice is? I am not just leaving her to navigate the world herself, I am in the yard with her and I am trying to manage her responses to these things. Maybe you have some specific advice on how you got your dog to a point to where “none of those things affect her on or off leash”? I would be interested to hear. I believe that by redirecting her attention when she barks in the yard or by playing the “look at that” game on her walks when she can react to a number of things, I am trying to manage what she can fixate on. Our pup has been quite reactive from day 1, despite being kept by my side, and I am interested to hear your off leash approach.
  12. Beautiful puppy! I love the picture with the mouthful of grass, our puppy grabs chunks of dried sod (?why?) on walks and wants to play with them too! i also am curious about replies to the job thing, having read something similar. But I think a job can mean what you want it to mean. If you know what I mean. Something that is interesting mentally for the dog I guess and they feel is their job, could be learning trick routines, fetching things for you at home. I think. as far as the walking, I think it just might take awhile. With ours took time to learn loose leash walking. We used the stop if she was pulling technique, or turn and walk the other way if she persisted. It took time and patience for sure, but did work in the long run. She does still sometimes pull, not in general, but if there was a dog she wants to charge over to or something, we are working on the look at that game right now. She walks well loose leash otherwise and we do most walks like this. If she does pull, I just stop and she gets it now. We have tried to teach her a sort of casual heel to use sometimes, this has not been great, but I find with that if she isn’t getting it I can use the “watch” command in the heel to kind of get her focus back and then just heel. But we don’t heel much, I should probably practice a bit more so we can do it if we have to.
  13. Ok, thanks! That is pretty much what I have been trying. I just wanted to make sure she didn’t start thinking I was rewarding the bark.
  14. Hi everyone. Our puppy Katie will be 8 months this week, in the teenage stage I guess. A bit of rebellious behaviour sometimes but generally pretty good. one issue is she is becoming quite the barker. She defends the perimeter of our yard I guess in her mind. We do have fully fenced. I don’t know if I am handling it properly, so any suggestions. We live on a dead end street in a tiny village with maybe 10 houses on it, so wouldn’t think there would be much foot traffic, but there are a couple senior buildings through a sort of walkway that get a lot of foot traffic. And that is what she barks at. There are a couple of the seniors who walk a lot and pass by multiple times everyday and she mostly doesn’t worry about them anymore, otherwise she barks at people walking especially with dogs, bikes, loose dogs (one annoying family a couple houses down has their dogs running loose with no regard for their safety!), people by the river across the street where there is a picnic table, things like that. She doesn’t care about vehicles, doesn’t bark at cars. So when she takes off barking and running the fence line, I usually peek what she is barking at, then call her over “that’ll do” and reward. If it is something I know she will be back barking at, I will ask her to stay until I feel the main excitement is over (for example one old gentleman with a walker gets her very excited and he takes a good minute to pass by our fence). This part doesn’t always work. I can kind of tell by her body language if it is a more casual bark or something she is feeling more intensely about. I just feel maybe I am rewarding her for barking? She will sometimes run over and start barking at someone passing and then look over at me, like as though she is doing it for a reward? It has worked as far that she is very good about coming over when I call her, she is not leashed in the yard and does always come, but doesn’t seem to be cutting down on the amount of times she gets going. Is there something else I could be doing?
  15. I have been following this thread a bit. I am no expert, but my pup is about one month older than yours and I can give you a general idea of her routine. She kind of edges towards on the higher energy side and has had some issues with really needing to learn an off switch rather than being a natural thing for her. she probably has 2 walks a day generally, but that varies. Seomtimes one of the walks is on the long lead where she can run a bit more as she wants for half hour, or sometimes just a regular leash sniffing walk for a bit longer of a time. She has pretty good recall, but I don’t trust it well enough yet around distractions to be off lead in public she can be reactive to some things like skateboards, that we are working on with look at that game. Two mornings a week she goes to dog daycare to socialize with other dogs and play, those days she doesn’t get other walks usually as she is very active there. I also have 2 young boys and we are all out in the yard for hours most afternoons, dog as well. So sometimes in that stretch of outside time she is doing her own thing out there, or lying in the shade or someone is playing with her a bit, mostly she follows me about and annoys me trying to “help” me in the vegetable garden haha. She actually is more settled out there usually and will go lie down somewhere and relax. Indoors she can get to pacing around and getting in mischief a bit still, so she has two crate naps maybe about 2 hours each and then crated at night and sleeps all night very well. she has couple short training sessions a day where we work on commands or trick stuff and does couple “mat” sessions where she is supposed to be learning to chill on her mat. “Relaxation protocol” it is called. She really is a lovely pup, she loves just being involved in everything, learning stuff, interacting. She gets her food sometimes just in the bowl, sometimes on her snuffle mat, puzzle toy, frozen Kong, we change it up to be interesting and a bit of a mental exercise. As far as games, she is not a fetcher, no interest there really, she likes goaltending a soccer ball sometimes. I hide treats for her to find sometimes. She does like tugging a lot. Kind of make a thinking game of it by tugging for a bit, then saying drop it, then there is something she has to do, then get it again. So could be a down and stay, I walk off a bit away, then ok get it, and so on. She loves that game. She will stay focused on that even when the little boys are riding their tricycles around the yard by her like hooligans.
  16. Looks interesting! I have never heard of this before. my pup also is not interested in fetching. She likes goaltending as well though, so worth a look. I can’t tell too much from the website as far as how to play exactly, maybe it is the sort of thing that you adapt to yourself and your situation. Cool. It was interesting reading on the fetching thread of all the great games people do around fetch, our dog doesn’t have the 8nterest in a ball to work like that for one. She does like tug and will play games around that. Maybe this is something new to try. currently her ball games are goaltending a soccer ball and running around the yard with a ball in her mouth while the kids play chase with her. They all love that. I had encouraged her when she was younger to pick up a ball or someth8ng to stop from grabbing at the kids clothes when they are all running in the yard and this is what it has become now at 7 months old.
  17. No advice here, but I sympathize. Our pup is about 6.5 months now and going through similar things. She used to be scared of other dogs, we didn’t get to socialize much with pandemic and are still under a “stay at home” order here. So we started sending her to a dog daycare a couple mornings a week to play and she loves it. She plays like mad when she is there and gets along with all the dogs really well. Now she loves other dogs and desperately wants to meet them all. It is tough to manage walks always to avoid passing other dogs in a “trainable” way, staying under threshold. She will “look at that” at a distance (we have been working at this, a work In progress for both of us) but is hard to walk without ever encountering other dogs closer than she can manage without getting over excited. In those cases, I just try to damage control, get her focus back as quick as I can.
  18. We have a puppy, slightly older, she will be 6 months in April. We also have 2 kids, younger than yours, just turned 3 and 5. We also had a lot of trouble with her nipping or pulling the kids clothes. Long after she stopped being mouthy with the adults she persisted with the kids. She also is very quick to earn new things, but not this! I have never had a herding breed before, but I agree it is not herding behaviour. I also read those articles before we got her and was concerned, but I would say our pup is more “motion activated” than herding. I think any breed could do this, she is just more sensitive maybe. My kids are young and while they don’t do anything directly to the dog and are considerate of her space, etc, they can be quite loud and do run around a lot which is what sets her off. Like how we adults might simply walk into the kitchen, they come down the hallway at a run and then go into the kitchen hopping, lol. So it has been tough. your kids are older, does your pup listen to commands from them? Mine doesn’t listen to my kids great on all commands, but she is consistent with them with some of the simple commands which helps, like “sit” and “off”, sometimes “drop it” and I can back them up if needed. So that has helped. It would help more if the kids were older, so might work for you? We asked for advice here in the winter, we were having a lot of trouble with her when outside pulling at their snow pants, mitts, etc. We received advice like yours above to pop her in the crate for 5 min., for the time out. Probably would have worked well, just I could not be 100% consistent with it, mostly my kids are small enough that I am not always comfortable depending the situation to leave them outside, come in, take her up to her crate, etc., is worth a shot if you can be consistent. I never leave them alone together, ever. I always have to watch quite attentively as well when interacting. If she looked like she was thinking of a nip, I call her to my side for a sit, relax a minute. If I missed the signs and she did grab clothes or nip, firm reprimand, I did grab her by the scruff couple times. If she went back to it, I would separate her, either my downing away from the kids, going to her crate, depending on where we were and if I could. With kids, you have to be a bit more flexible sometimes with your consistency unfortunately and that makes it harder for the dog to learn. Either way, she is much better. It happened slowly, not suddenly. Just now, if I think to a couple months ago when she would be trying to play tug with my kids jacket, now she runs around the yard with them mostly without any contact, there is a huge improvement, Sometimes I see her think of it and she will go grab a ball or toy instead and run over to them, a better way of inviting play for sure. She has the odd slip up, usually when one of them is being especially chaotic, I admit they can be really a lot to take sometimes and I am their mum! But overall, like night and day, but didn’t happen overnight. it is tough! I sympathize with you! For us, took a combination of methods and time and patience. It could be frustrating, especially as she picked up so many other things so easily and quickly, but then I look at my kids through the dogs eyes and I see how exciting they must be, she just needed to learn another way to get involved without using her teeth.
  19. Thanks for sharing! I have gone back and read your earlier post and I see what you mean. i practice a mat command with her, less formally, with varying degrees of distraction but I will try this way in the link. Maybe the added structure of that will help, again thanks for sharing. i guess I feel guilty for how much time she spends in her pen or crate, but if she is out for the “ignoring” times she just seems to wander around getting into things or pestering someone. The ignoring/nap/self occupy times (with bathroom breaks) would be approximately 9-12 , crate nap always about 12:30-2, crate nap 5:30-7, then self occupy 7:30-9ish. Maybe in those self occupy times I should give her the chance to settle, if not try the pen, if she is fussy there put her in the crate? I will try working on the relaxation protocol as well. I notice working on mat work, she doesn’t really chill on the mat, not tense or stressed out or something, just focused on me and waiting for what is next so maybe this will help the whole “relaxing” thing to click in a bit. She definitely needs help learning to calm herself. After a walk we come back and maybe I try to chill on the couch with her a couple mi utes, she generally is up and down or pawing at me or something. I have noticed if I put her in the pen, she will take a rest instead after couple minutes of whining. I hope this will translate to napping on the couch someday. I noticed in your earlier post you mentioned how your pup could be more amped up after a crate nap and I definitely notice that as well. I will work on these things and hope time will help as well.
  20. So I guess we are doing too much? Haha. Ok, thanks for suggestions. i will try to clarify couple things. We have more a routine than a schedule I guess. We do the same things in the same order, just not always at a strict time. Somethings are at the same time, like waking up, but times can vary. Same as when the kids were babies. Most days are pretty consistent apart from what we do in afternoon, which can vary as needed. Most training sessions are in the 3-5 range, evening is longer because I practice the mat with her. Where she lays on it for 5 minute intervals with the intention of relaxing. She hasn’t shown frustration with training yet, she is eager and I try to keep it fun. The going out after her Kong is more for a pee break and she sniffs about for couple minutes, because she always needs to pee then. Then she goes back in pen hopefully to rest. From reading what you say I think I might need to switch out some pen times for crate times for her to actually nap more because she doesn’t nap much in her pen. i really wish she would nap in sun spots like yours does! That’s the goal. Sounds lovely. I worry that since I confine her to nap all the time maybe she is not learning to relax on her own. I don’t know. I do praise when she does relax or doze in her pen, I just have to be careful I don’t get her popping back up when I do so! It is tough on her with the kids always about too, they aren’t allowed to go up by her crate so that is best when she needs a solid sleep. i give her the snuffle mat etc because she enjoys it, but maybe I should just give her meals in the dish? she has nylabones in her pen and crate but she doesn’t care for them (not the edible ones, just the chew ones), so I sometimes give her a chew as while she is in there as well. I hope she figures it out. I will think how I can reduce activities for her a bit. We do work on our mat exercise and I will try to capture calm moments when they happen. our current times are sustainable of morning walk, afternoon outside times, I am home all day at this point for couple years at least still. I might be starting a farm job for just couple hours a day to help out with sales prep for some yearlings (thoroughbred) this summer, but she and the kids can join me (that will be exhausting! More the kids than the dog, wish me luck!) I just need her to be able to relax in between times down the road like in the mid morning and evening times. Otherwise she is a great dog!
  21. Thanks! Yup, she is just waiting for me to get up haha.
  22. Sorry, just to add a couple things. i know there have been some similar posts, which I have read, just wondering if it seems we do enough with her in our general schedule. If so, I would feel better about confining her when she starts wandering looking for mischief. Also, her crate is upstairs in our bedroom, quiet spot. Where her pen is in the main living area, much busier spot. She doesn’t sleep in there, more plays and watches the action. She can get a bit fussy there when lots is going on, kids are getting goofy, get jumping up and stuff. i have been wondering if I should add an evening walk. I haven’t up to this point because her afternoon is quite busy most of the time. We usually get in a good walk or hike then and afternoon yard time is active, she plays and digs with the kids (supervised), Runs about, I tug with her, etc. Can be a couple hours, but on her terms.
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