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  1. On 10/16/2019 at 11:31 PM, Lawgirl said:

    There is another way of teaching self control to a dog which does not involve a crate, but does require long periods of time commitment from the owner. It is a way of teaching a 'long down'.  There was a post called "Sit on the dog" a while back where this was discussed, but basically you put your dog on a lead, put the dog in a down, put the lead under a foot or under the leg of a chair so only a short length is available, sit on the chair and then sit and read a book, magazine, watch Netflix on your phone, whatever for half an hour or so.  Do this in a park, in your yard, in your living room, wherever. 

    There is some debate about this being a dominance exercise, which is a theory which has been essentially debunked by modern animal behaviourist research, but the exercise itself may be useful if you approach it more as an opportunity to positively reinforce quiet, settled behaviour.

    I have tried sit on the dog he just goes mental and rags on the lead. Super overstimulated and insane. 

  2. On 10/16/2019 at 11:09 PM, D'Elle said:

    Don't ask him to go into his crate. Put him in there. Don't let him mouth or scratch you.   When he puts his mouth on you, make a loud yelping sound the way a dog would if hurt, and then get him by the scruff of the neck if you need to in order to control him, and put him gently but firmly into the crate and then ignore him. If you let him continue to mouth you, you may end up with a dog who thinks it is OK to bite. The yelp is to let him know he hurt you - it is a sound the dog will understand. 

    Also, please give up the idea that "he knows he is doing naughty things". He is just doing things to get your attention, and is not deliberately doing things that are bad. Remember, what is bad to you is only neutral to him. If you think of him as deliberately doing bad things it will only create a feeling in you that will lead to an antagonistic relationship with your dog. This is not what you want. Simply reward good behavior and be no-nonsense and firm - but not angry - and crate him when he is doing things you don't want. You are the one who has to be in control here. Take control.

    I am always kind to my dogs, but they don't get away with doing something I don't like. I may be a highly benevolent dictator, one who is very loving and generous with tie and treats and affection and attention, but I am a dictator and they have to do as I say. Since it has always been this way without exception, they don't attempt to do otherwise, as they know it won't work. Getting a dog to this point doesn't happen in a short time, but if you are 100% consistent while being fair and reasonable and kind, the dog will learn that resistance is futile.

    That makes a lot of sense but it kind of worries me this will cause aggression just because my heads full of all the stuff I have heard from positive only trainers. However this does seem logical and I did it today. He did give up eventually doing the bad behaviours. 

  3. 8 hours ago, gcv-border said:

    Agree with lawgirl. Possibly attention-seeking.

    If you don't want to use the crate, if you have a half-back or other small room nearby, use that for time-out. I do 1-2 minute time-outs. And be prepared to put him in the time-out space more than once, at least in the beginning.

    I have also tethered a misbehaving dog to me so I can always be watching them. After all, we are only human, and even though we think we are going to watch them, if the dog isn't tethered to me. I get distracted.

    We are trying the timeouts in the crate and asking him isn't going well. When he knows hes doing naughty things and I ask him to go to bed he gets frustrated and mouths at us and scratches us which results in us gently trying to put him in his crate

  4. 7 hours ago, Lawgirl said:

    It sounds as though he may be either overstimulated or attention seeking when he behaves like this. It is difficult to be sure from your description.

    If it is over-stimulation, he is not yet able to settle himself, i.e. he has not learned the mystical 'off-switch'.  It comes naturally to some dogs, others need help to learn it.

    If it is attention seeking, he has learned that you respond when he behaves like this, therefore it is self rewarding (and it may just also be fun!)

    In both cases, the answer is simply to respond in the same way - a consequence of this unwanted behaviour is time in the crate.  This is not a punishment.  It is simply a force of nature.  Say calmly something like "Uh oh, someone needs a time out." and then just put him in the crate until he calms down.  If he naps, even better.  A filled kong or other chew toy, to emphasise that this is not a punishment is good (although not every time, or he may start to do this to get the treat!). Once he is calm, you can let him out.  If he does it again, rinse and repeat. Over and over until he learns.

    Be aware of something called an extinction burst, where a dog escalates their behaviour because it is no longer getting the desired effect, before they give up entirely.

    An alternative would be to teach place, by training him to lie on a mat, and rewarding calm lying on a mat for longer and longer periods.  But if he is as over the top with furnishings as you suggest, and he is already crate trained, I suggest the crate would be best.

    This is it he can only settle when extremely worn out... Which isn't great because I don't want to have to constantly do more and more to get him there. He can't settle when tired and waits for us to put him in his crate any suggestions on how to implant that off switch. The rest of your advice was fantastic. Thank you 

  5. I have a one year old neutered beautiful Male border collie whose behaviour is spiralling down hill we have had him since he was 8 weeks old. He has always really struggled to sleep outside of his crate we had to rely on enforced naps up until 8 months because he would get overtired and stroppy. At 8 months he began to settle by himself he was doing well, not perfect but it all felt like it begun to click and if felt like finally we where getting a dog start to come through. We have worked so hard to extinguish a lot of issues like his lead biting he exhibits when frustrated and we did this until he got to 10 months... he started showing signs of frustration again when he didn't get his own way. This wasn't too bad but quite a shock considering we thought we worked him through it.

    At 10 and half months he was neutered due to being cryptorchid and vets saying he needs to be neutered before 1 year of age and ideally as soon as possible. After he healed from the surgery he carried on slowly getting into bad habits mainly on his walks he became triggered into lead biting very easily and his impulse control just completely went out the window. Fast forward to him becoming a year old in the house he just become a nightmare he started destroying his bed thats outside the crate and pulling the rug up.

    We called in a behaviourist who told us we where enforcing too man rules and we needed to give him access to the garden and his toys all the time so he could blow off steam, she described him as a pressure cooker. She told us to stop using time outs and to put him behind a baby gate with a chew when he gets too much allow him to dig in the garden and stop playing fetch. All of this made the behaviour so much worse he decided everything is now fair game to chew, sofas, chairs, bins outside in the garden, foot stool, curtains, compost bin, shoes that we are wearing and our ankles (like he is 12 weeks old again) The behaviourist did a second house visit and concluded we need to basically return to what we was doing in the first place but packaged it like it was her idea. 

    Inside the house he will not switch off and only rests for seconds before getting back up even if he is tired and ready for a nap he keeps going and becomes more problematic. Its honestly so hard to live with and I don't know what to do and how normal this is to be honest. None of his siblings seem this way and we have to crate him when we go to bed and work which is awful, we never thought at 1 years old we would have to give such an amazing dog such little freedom. My other half has had collies in her family before and none have exhibited this before.

    His routine daily is as follows:

    6:30 out of crate for breakfast then goes for a 30 minute walk on long line

    7:30 back in crate 

    10:00 out crate trick training garden time and fuss 

    11:00 back in crate

    13:00 out the crate for potty break during lunch

    13:30 back in crate

    16:30 walk on long line and off lead (lots of sniffing and some training) also fetch with ball or frisbee) sometimes walks with other dogs too

    17:30 back home potters round might go in garden might just run around the house looking for trouble

    19:30 We may enforce a nap for half an hour if he seems really tired and behaviour is unbearable

    20:00 kongs, chews and beef hides maybe a short training session 

    22:00 Bed.

    The positives:

    Very confident for a border collie.

    Loves all peoples dogs and cats.

    Highly food motivated.

    Affectionate and seems happy most of the time.

    We love him, so much.

    He hasn't broke us...yet.

    Is there any words of wisdom or resources anyone can offer. We are booking a different behaviourist to help. What I see when I watch this dog is one who just is too uncomfortable outside of his crate to settle. When he does lay down he does for moments before moving to different spots and eventually he gets agitated and barks at something only his collie ears can hear like he is frustrated and on edge. Pop him in the crate and lad goes straight down for a nap its the oddest thing, I feel like a lot of his problems could be solved by helping him settle but I just don't know how to help him.

    Thank you for reading.  

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