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  1. 7 minutes ago, GentleLake said:

    Have you consulted a behaviorist, either a veterinary behaviorist or a certified applied behavior consultant?

    That would be my first recommendation, and in this case would suggest a specialist vet because of the other physical issues that could well be playing into the behavioral issues.

    Wishing you the best.


    We have when he was younger and we are waiting to see them again. Is there anything you could think of which maybe causing the physical issues. 

    Thank you for the kind words I do appreciate it. 

  2. I see as a first time dog owner this is definitely all a lot to take in. We also got a Collie to be active but I respect he has needs and will need to look at maybe seeing if we can get a diagnosis. He has always been huge amounts of work.. More so than I could possibly imagined and more so than all other pup owners. Sigh :(

  3. My guy is also super affectionate but hes also always on the go non stop and at the moment seems to be not coping well without physical exercise? How was your guy at 10 months. My boy loves fetch and long walks off lead and hasn't yet shown any wobbles but does self regulate during fetch. 

  4. Oh my gosh. I have suspected our pup has border collie collapse disorder for a while now. He self regulates a lot on walks during fetch etc he will lay down quite regularly he also gets tired quite easily compared to other dogs and loses his shit. 

  5. 8 hours ago, tamapup said:

    Hi there! I remember answering your question a little while ago about a similar problem, and I'm sorry to hear that things haven't been going too great :(

    I agree with the previous posts, especially about what was said re: mental stimulation. My boy is six months now, so we're a few months behind you, but he can be quite the pain when he's lacking in either physical and mental exercise. What I've found helpful is shifting around my schedule so that I can get him tired out right off the bat, since I've noticed that his energy levels skyrocket in the morning and remain pent-up through the day if I don't do something about it pronto. What we do is go out for some fetch so that he can stretch his legs, and combine it with training and socializing. If he gets a few hours out of the crate right off the bat to start his day, I've notice he mellows out tremendously for the rest of the day. Perhaps this is something you could try?

    It sounds like you guys are making great progress here and don't forget to give yourself credit for that! You have an 8mo pup on your hands who is getting better at paying attention, better at coming to you when called, walks well and seems happy and well-socialized. That's a feat in itself and something to celebrate ;)

    Same here. I've learned from Tama that the best way to get us both through this period of time is to remind myself constantly that he is a baby, and I wouldn't trust him alone or expect him to listen to me any more or any better than a 5 year old child. But believe me, I know it's so much easier said than done. I've had many moments of becoming so frustrated and so upset and feeling like I can't take it anymore. There have been times that I take him out for a walk and he doesn't listen to me and won't stop pulling on the leash and I'm just there holding back tears the entire time because I've worked so hard and sometimes the progress seems totally invisible. (Meanwhile people are giving me strange looks... 'why is she upset, look at that adorable puppy who could do no wrong'.... :rolleyes:

    It is hard! If nothing else, take comfort in the fact that many have struggled and are struggled with very similar issues. Take it easy on yourself too. If your anxiety levels are through the roof and you are running out energy and feel like you can't keep going, it'll be hard to work with him calmly and positively. Nothing feels worse than having to take care of someone else when you feel like you haven't gotten the chance to take of yourself. Hang in there.

    8 month mark was the biggest regression I have noticed he had a massive freak out when he was over his frustration threshold Infront of lots of people biting his lead and my partner because he couldn't say hello to people. He managed to make her cry. He looks like an adult dog and is a fairly sizeable 20kg Collie so just looked out of control and dangerous. I guess we just have to keep going he is family.. However he is pushing his luck :(

  6. 5 hours ago, Mandy1961 said:

    My boy is 11 months old. Our day goes like this.

    He sleeps in his crate, wakes up at 4.30 am and barks. I shout down go to sleep, whereby we get another 1/2 hour before he really gets going and is wide awake. Husband gets up and takes him out at 5.30 for 45 minutes to our local dog park (they are the only ones there at that time).

    6.30 till 8.30 he plays, runs around and family play with him. Adult sons and husband go to work.

    8.30 till 11.30 he will sleep on and off, follow me around and play and if I go out, he will willingly go in his crate as he will sleep there.

    11.30/ noon,  we go for a 1 hour walk.

    2 pm to 4 pm, he will sleep on and off depending on whether I am at home, or in crate if I go out.

    From 4.30 onwards, sons and husband come home, so more play, training, dinner and then final walk at 7.30 for 45 minutes.

    Bed in crate at 10 pm.

    He has, over the last month or so, been a lot more chilled and will happily stay on his own downstairs,  whilst before this, we would have to be in the same room as him. He does still require a lot of attention, especially in the evenings, but he has gotten used to there being at least 2 people with him.


    This definitely all sounds very familiar. 

  7. 2 hours ago, CptJack said:

    My BC (or mostly BC, who knows) is now just about to turn 5. 

    Her routine goes something like this:


    Wakes up about 6:30 when spouse gets up, goes outside and pees, comes back and comes back to bed with me.

    8:00, I get up and feed the dogs, so she gets breakfast.   She follows me downstairs and goes up on the love seat and goes back to sleep while I settle in to work. 

    Noon, once I get up and start moving around she and the other BC mix (who is just 2) go outside with me where we do a bit of training with the ball as a reward for about half an hour.

    12:30 - back inside, she goes back onto the loveseat or dog bed and goes back to sleep.

    5:00 I wrap up work, they get fed dinner and I start cooking dinner.

    After dinner (6?) they either go for an off leash run through the woods or swimming. 

    7 or so I start pulling dogs out for individual training. obedience, agility, stupid tricks, disc, whatever we're working on, and each one gets a solid 30-45 minutes working on their stuff.

    Then they're back to lazing around until bed at about 10. 

    Now,  sometimes there's a class, seminar, trial, or competition going on that involves a lot of waiting and a little running, but mostly that's our daily routine.  One stint of hard off leash exercise in the day, a couple of points of training new stuff. What there definitely is not is a lot of frantic activity, all the time.

    And I do realize my girl is now middle aged, but this has been the routine - really! - since she was abo ut 6 months old for her. the ACD X BC took longer to chill out and stop yelling about his desire ot do things all the time, but he still got there.

    Crazy amounts of activity is not the magic bullet.  Working their brains IS.

    Thank you so much. Can you over stimulate a dog mentally? I really appreciate the time you took to post your girls schedule. 

  8. 7 hours ago, Mark Billadeau said:

    In the past I have had a few people come out for herding lessons.  They will tell me their dog is very fit; able to play fetch for hrs.  In no more than 5 min in with the sheep their dog is exhausted.  Their dog was not mentally fit enough to handle 5min of intense focus and intense mental stimulation.

    It is the mental stimulation needs of border collies that many people do not fully expect when they get their first one.  All they have ever been told is how much exercise (physical) these dogs need.

    Thank you Mark your posts have been very helpful and I appreciate your advice. I will be incorporating more mental stimulation immediately. Do you think the physical stimulation we give our 8 month old is too much? 

  9. 37 minutes ago, GentleLake said:

    Except that most sheepdogs do not run sheep all day long, every day. Most of them have plenty of downtime when there's no work to be done and they were developed by canny shepherds who wouldn't have tolerated an out-of-control or destructive dog during their off times. Granted, many (though not all) were/are tied up when not working, they were still expected to be able to go straight to work when they were let loose, not having to spend time getting their jollies off.

    To the OP, I agree with Mark; I don't see much in the way of mental stimulation. How are you "encouraging him to be calm"? Have you made any efforts to train an off switch? I'd start mat training ASAP, beginning with short stays on the mat and increasing it as he's able to build tolerance. I'd also try some more mentally stimulating games such as scent work to replace some of the more amped up activities you're currently engaging him with.

    I wish you the best and hope you'll give us progress reports.

    Hello thank you for your response yes we regularly practice place and we also do capturing calmness on the daily. He can do place for a good 20 minutes before he becomes inpatient but still refuses to be calm after he will jus get up and do what he does usually but more intense. We also try in the evenings giving him on chews with no toys and ignore him for periods to see if he will give in. He also knows lots of tricks and like many collies is eager to learn but becomes more brat like after. Lastly when he is beyond reasoning we put him in the crate for a nap normally at this point he is running in and out the crate and won't stay put until we tell him go to bed. Thanks for your response I am determined but also burnt out. 

  10. 20 hours ago, Mike whitnall said:

    Hi guys looking for some help we have a 7 month old border collie  , an amazing dog great temperament,  how ever , sleeping is a different story , no matter what we do how late we go to bed , how late we walk him or how many times to tire him out he will bark at 4am or 5am or anytime inbetweene, I know hes only a puppy , but is there anyway we can get him to sleep a bit later ? 

    Has it started since the clocks changed? Do you give him? I've recently learnt with my adolescent nearly 8 month old we have been rewarding his behaviour. Is he crated and if so do you get him out when he does this? It could be boundary testing. There are amazing handlers here I am sure they will be along soon to help :)

  11. On 4/2/2019 at 10:12 PM, CptJack said:

    First of all, this isn't criticism or an attack of you.  Know that I feel bad for you and I'm posting because I want to help.


    I suspect that the problem is at some point you get fed up and give in and entertain him when he starts this.  So rather than learning to chill out because nothing is going to happen he has learned that if he goes at it hard enough, and long enough, or gets annoying or destructive enough, you will entertain/amuse him in some way.    This is understandable and common because who wants their cat chased or rug destroyed?  Unfortunately, this is also how we build duration of behavior in training when we want to.  So he's just built duration in being an obnoxious pest :/ 

    My suggestion is, when he does these things, if they are things you cannot simply ignore (and they often are) to unemotionally get up and put him in a crate and walk away and then ignore.  Only release for quiet.

    But his options are, quite literally, to take play/entertainment when it suits you and otherwise behave and chill out or to be in the crate with no option but to behave and chill out.

    Just wanted to thank everyone for their incredibly insightful responses especially CptJack & Tamapup.

    Since I stopped letting Pax get away with as much, tightened the boundaries and changed my mindset I have noticed a huge difference in his personality. 

    HE SAT ON THE SOFA WITH ME AND THE CAT FOR 23 MINUTES! Yes I counted and granted I was calmly fussing him but still to me this means the world. 

    Thank you so much!

  12. 16 minutes ago, ShellyF said:

    Give yourself a break. He’s still young and there is no reason he HAS to self settle. Our guy has always had ‘come on, nap time’ from us and like a toddler he gradually needed less and less. He rarely needs naps now (e.g. he will self settle) but he’s nearly 1. He was still having nap time up to about 9/10 months. 

    I guess sometimes I just don't believe he will ever be an actual dog instead of a mischievous pup. 

  13. 18 minutes ago, tamapup said:

    Hey, I'm not an expert but here's my two cents.

    Firstly I really really feel for you. My border collie is almost 6 months old and there are days where I wanna rip my hair out. Yesterday night he was howling in his crate for what felt like forever despite getting enough exercise, mental stimulation, etc etc... makes me feel like a really terrible owner because he's so upset and I'm not able to help him or myself, so it feels like I am doing something very wrong. Just letting you know that you're definitely not alone if that's any consolation.

    I do use the crate (as mentioned above), and my understanding is that it doesn't necessarily need to be a negative association. It shouldn't be negative if you don't associate it with scolding him or punishing him. When my guy acts up and does something he's not supposed to (stealing a wrapper from the trash, chewing on shoes, whatever it is), he gets picked up and placed into the crate without a word. This doesn't mean "bad dog you go in the crate for being bad", it means "oh no, if you do that I guess playtime has to stop...".

    I have also noticed that once I start thinking "I've messed up, everything sucks, I can't take this anymore" - I start noticing every little thing that goes wrong in our day. Every time he doesn't listen to me, every time he pulls on the leash, every time he acts crazy, every time he cries, etc. Then it spirals from there and I forget to see the progress that we actually have made. What's helped me TREMENDOUSLY in in my relationship with Tama (my dog) is celebrating EVERY tiny little thing that he does right. It changes my attitude towards him and helps me focus on the good things, which he picks up on too, and it's just more positive overall.

    Anyway - you have my sympathies, and I really do think it will get better. As others have said, just be consistent in not rewarding the bad behavior. At seven and a half months old, he's still very much in the process of settling into your life, and as long as you don't give up, keep asking for advice, and take care of yourself, things will look up. :D

    What a small but fantastic method we do celebrate Pax's achievements but not nearly as much as I could. It will put us both in a positive place. Thank you so much for your response. 

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