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  1. 14 hours ago, Riika said:

    I would recommend that you don't share other people's photos until a public forum unless you ask them. I can see where people could be upset by that. :)


     I don't think she's on these boards. I believe her pup is Next/Chubbs-you could look back on FB and see who those lilac pups are, because she owns one of those pups. :) 

    You are absolutely right. I wasn't thinking! I got the photos from her website so they were publicly available but posting them was probably not the best decision. Thanks for mentioning it because I truly wasn't thinking about that!

    Our pups are related then! My border collie's father is out of the same female as Chubbs. So our pups are cousins I suppose. Small world!

  2. 22 hours ago, Riika said:


    I know what breeder you are referring to, and though I would say she’s a color breeder, I wouldn’t say she is the “worst color breeder” I’ve seen. Her dogs are still decent working dogs. Not up to the quality that I would buy one, but they are okay. If you like your dog don’t focus too much on where/how you got her-just enjoy her. My friend owns one of those lilac puppies pictured-she really likes her. Not quite up to my standard but that’s me. 

    As for white headed-not something I focus on at all. Look at the dog in my avatar, and I have others, too.

    Oops! I didn't want to say the name of the breeder because I didn't want to be posting possibly negative things especially since I'm not knowledgeable in the area and may mislead accidentally. I didn't expect anyone to recognize the pictures of her dogs! :) 

    I absolutely adore my dog and have no regrets. I was asking questions more for future reference so I would know what to look for and be better prepared to identify a responsible breeder. Plus the genetics are interesting! 

    Is your friend on these boards as well? I'm curious if her dog is related to mine!

  3. Thanks so much for clearing it up for me GentleLake and Michael Parkey! I appreciate it!

    GentleLake, I was looking at how my bc's father is predominantly white on his face and thought that might be a bad sign. I think I may need to do some more research to have a better grasp on this!

    The breeder I got my girl from does breed for working ability since they are on a working ranch but based on the litters they have been breeding lately I'm thinking they may also be trying to get some colors like lilac. They tend to have some unusual colors and I don't know if that is a byproduct of just focusing on the working ability of the dog and ignoring colors or if they have actively been attempting to get puppies that are unusual colors. I originally went with this breeder because it was a working line and I didn't want to support a breeder who was breeding for looks. But I've attached a couple pictures of pups from the breeder and after reading this thread I'm thinking they are lilacs.

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  4. Thanks, GentleLake! My border collie's mother is black and white but her father is a merle. I've attached a picture of him. It isn't until reading this thread that I'm realizing he might show the breeder isn't as responsible as I would prefer... :( I do know that he is a TNS carrier, but I'm not certain what that means or if it's a sign of an irresponsible breeder either. All I know is that a carrier shouldn't be bred to another carrier and since I'm not planning on breeding I didn't think it was too concerning. Perhaps I should have researched more carefully!

    My girl seemed to be just red and white until she got older and tan markings appeared so that's why I was wondering if she might be considered a merle. I've added some more pictures of her. She has some tan and/or red spots on her white coat--but not a whole lot.

    So the first picture is the father and the other two are of my girl. You can see in the last picture on her left leg the spots that I was talking about.

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  5. Please excuse my hijacking this thread and also a possibly ignorant question... but I have a tri-colored border collie (red, white, and a couple tan markings) who has some red merle siblings. Or they might be called lilac? I was wondering if that means my border collie might be considered a merle and it just doesn't show as well? 

    I'm not planning to breed her, but I do find the genetics interesting and I like to be informed! I've included a picture of my pup along with her siblings and one of her as an adult showing the tan on the side of her face. 



  6. Hi all, I was reading the thread on Anzley Grace and someone mentioned the changes that occur on a pup's nose when they have unpigmented skin. Does anyone know how long these changes continue? My girl's nose has changed quite a bit and I put together a series of photos to document it. I was curious if it might continue (she's almost a year and a half old) and also do you take any precautions to keep their noses from getting burned? I'd also love to see pictures of your beautiful pups as well! 

    Thanks everyone!


  7. 28 minutes ago, D'Elle said:

     The human being controls the food because that is the only way the dog can get fed unless you let your dog run wild to catch his own food.

    :lol: Very true. I was venturing into a psychology concept in which a difference is made between the dog connecting the food to the bowl vs. connecting the food to the human's hand. In other words, a dog might view the bowl as the source of food rather than the human. It's just an idea in psychology in how animal's brains make connections. I should have left the psychology theories out of this thread. Apologies everyone!

  8. 15 minutes ago, Flora & Molly said:

    Ah sorry Lenie, I read you quoting me wrong :) thanks for clarifying.

    I don't think I read some post wrong, unless the article says something about enrichment, I was the one using that term and people seemed to dislike the term. So I thought it might have some associations I am not familiar with (because I genuinely don't understand the problem)

    No worries, I'm sure I could have written my post better.

    The article does use the term enrichment... "by ditching the bowl we are enriching their lives". 

  9. 8 minutes ago, Flora & Molly said:

    I don't see how the alpha theory has anything to do with not using a bowl. (Or anything I said about enriching a dogs life)

    I was theorizing that the idea of not using a bowl connects to the alpha theory since it means that all food comes directly from the human's hand. The idea is that in the wild, the alpha wolf controls who eats the food and when. Therefore, some believe that by being in direct control of the food their dog receives that they are demonstrating to the dog that they are the alpha. 

    And if you'll note, I did not connect anything you said with the alpha theory. I merely suggested that may be why some are so against the idea if they are making the same connection to the alpha theory. I thought you may have mistaken some posts as being directed towards you. As I previously stated: " I think the reaction was only to the article posted and since that article was not linked correctly some may have not had the opportunity to read it." (Possibly causing some confusion as to what the trainer was saying)

  10. 3 hours ago, Flora & Molly said:

    Am I misusing the word enrich? (Honest question - not a native speaker).

    What I meant was that I use kongs and such for a fun extra to make my dogs life a little bit more varied: thus enriching her life. How that would be disrespectful or domineering or baffling I really don't understand. It doesn't mean everyone should or that it is somehow harmful to your dog's life to feed from a bowl.


    Perhaps it's based on the theory that whoever controls the food is the "alpha of the pack"? Many people dislike that idea and research has shown that it is not as effective. It tends to elicit a strong response when the theory is put up for debate. ;) 

    I wonder if the trainer who started this idea intended it for the average dog owner who doesn't interact with their dog very much? By "ditching the bowl" the owner has to spend more time with the dog, thus adding more training, games, and "enriching" their life. So instead of only interacting with the dog by putting meals down and taking the dog outside, etc. the owner has to interact more by playing games and training. That may be the only goal of the trainer who suggested this. It may have nothing to do with the dog and more to do with training the person to interact with their dog Just a thought.

    I think it's a bit extreme to ditch the bowl. I know many people give some, if not all, of the dog's meal during training sessions just to avoid overfeeding. (Meals in addition to training treats can end up being quite a bit of food!) 

    Kongs are a great toy and I don't think anyone was commenting on the use of Kongs. I think the reaction was only to the article posted and since that article was not linked correctly some may have not had the opportunity to read it.

    Interesting discussion! I had not heard that new idea of not using a bowl at all.

  11. Sometimes people become set on a certain way of training a dog and refuse to consider other ways. For example, they may rely on force based training and refuse to consider clicker training. I've also found that people who do not have much experience or knowledge about dogs or training, but have a dog that behaves (for whatever reason), they tend to believe that they are experts. 

    That is a general observation on people.

    You have spent more time with your dog. You know more about Tama. You get to choose how Tama is trained. What concerns me is your last sentence: " I've been so happy with Tama's progress the first month of having him and could feel our bond developing, but now I just feel like things are different and I'm not sure what's best for him anymore."

    What is best for him? Beyond taking care of his basic needs, what is best for him is that YOU are happy with him. That YOU are happy with his behavior. That YOU have a bond with him. It sounds like your boyfriend is interfering with that. You may have to sit down and have a talk about how you want to approach Tama's training and set some ground rules for how involved you want your boyfriend to be in Tama's training. You get to choose if your boyfriend should be involved at all and if you do want him to be involved, you get to choose how he trains Tama. 

    Tama is your dog and it doesn't matter if you are an expert in dog training or not. You get to learn and grow along with Tama.

    I would not allow anyone to interfere with my bond with my dog.

    My personal opinion (and I'm not an expert) is that dogs respond more to your more gentle style. When your boyfriend corrects him, I doubt Tama understands why he is being corrected. (Moving or breaking eye contact when told to stay? He doesn't know why he got scolded. He just knows he got scolded.) And he's SO young. He's just a baby! Don't expect too much of him. 

    By the way, the food "training" like that is usually rooted in the belief that the "alpha" controls the food at all times and by controlling the food you are telling the puppy that you are in charge. I don't think that is necessary. And puppies have poor impulse control just like human babies. Being expected to stay for a long period of time is unrealistic.

    Again, just my own personal opinion for what it's worth. 


  12. My girl is 8 months and I know just how you feel. One thing that helped me was to keep a schedule and have scheduled nap time in the crate. Another thing I did at one point was to only play outside and I took up all the toys inside except for quiet chews. I reinforced the idea of inside being a place to be calm by rewarding quiet behavior and never allowing anyone to encourage her in excitable behavior while indoors.

    (As I type this, my girl is bringing me a ball that I toss across the room for her. We've been doing this for the last half hour and she will do it until I stop.)

    Now, we are able to keep toys in the house and do some play. She definitely would not be considered a calm dog, but she is nothing like when she was five months old. One thing I've noticed is if we are home alone she will take a nap outside her crate when she is tired. However, if my fiancé is home, she will not stop. I suspect she views him as more of a playmate since that's all he does with her and she can't lie down while there is hope of playtime. Are any of your family members encouraging the nonstop activity? 

    It will get easier! And in my opinion, you get to enjoy them much more when they are older. Puppies are adorable, but they are a lot of work. Hang in there!

    (My girl is now on the couch beside me, putting her head in my lap. When she was five months old, I would have told you that would never happen. ;) )

  13. On 12/22/2018 at 7:55 PM, GentleLake said:

    It depends what state. The regional New England rescue I volunteer with now has some issues transferring foster dogs into some states. I live in NY and AFAIK there aren't any regs about dogs coming in from out of state.

    Ah, I suspect we just had a blanket policy to get health certificates for all the dogs because we sent to many different states and often sent a transport of dogs going different places. I think also the rescues in the North preferred the health certificates for obvious reasons although many of them we worked with so much knew we didn't ever hide issues with the dogs. We always told them about potential health issues or behavioral issues, if the dog had shown aggression towards other dogs or people, temperament, etc. We never had any "returns" because the rescues always knew exactly what they were getting into when they chose to get a dog from us.

    I was very fortunate to work with a great group of rescues and never had to deal with any rescues that were poorly managed. 

  14. 7 hours ago, GentleLake said:

    Sadly I've heard there are "rescues" that load up truckloads of dogs from the South and bring them north making stops along the way and basically selling them for a so-called adoption fee to anyone who shows up and wants one, no application screening needed. There are also reputable rescues who do test and treat and do good checks on applicants too so I sure don't want to malign them in any way.

    Yes, we had several contacts with rescues in the North and sent our dogs directly to them. They handled the adoptions and screened the applications from there and the ones we worked with did a very good job. Our dogs were always spayed or neutered, vaccinated, and got a health certificate from the vet before they got on the transport to go to the northern rescues.

    I thought health certificates were required for dogs to cross state lines but I could be wrong. Unfortunately, I'm sure there are people and rescues who aren't concerned about their health though.

  15. Good information every, thanks!

    And @GentleLake those threads are very helpful. Thank you! I wasn't aware there were maps with that information. It is interesting in one thread you mentioned that your local vets said most of the cases in your area were dogs from the South. I used to work for a dog rescue in the South and we sent most of our dogs to the North. All ours were tested for HW and treated if necessary before going on transport. I wonder if not all rescues had that policy and if dogs with HW are being transported without treatment.

  16. Thank you, I hadn't heard of Dr. Dodd's protocol.

    GentleLake, thanks for the link. 

    I haven't checked into the effectiveness/safeness for dogs but I have heard some have good results using a drop of the essential oil rose geranium on the collar of a dog to repel ticks.  I've been meaning to research it but I'm cautious about essential oils given the variety of pets I have and the danger of any of them possibly ingesting it. I have to make sure anything I use is safe for different species to potentially come into contact with it. ;) Quite the undertaking with my menagerie.

    GentleLake and Diane Allen, what are your thoughts on heart worm prevention?

    I'm concerned about the flea and tick prevention as well. I used to not use them and picked the ticks off but then I did get a flea infestation and it took a very long time to get rid of them! Are you doing anything else to prevent fleas or are they not common where you live?

    Re: 3 year rabies vax... it took a very long time for where I currently live to allow the 3 year one! Before that, rabies vaccines were required every year. :rolleyes:


  17. On 12/18/2018 at 7:15 AM, Ranchhand said:


    I may be castigated for this, but FWIW- had a sheltie pup years ago. Conformation wise, the breed standard likes the ears tipped a certain way. We were instructed to take a short length of popsicle stick and glue it to the hair side of the malpositioned ear ( just a washable type glue). Until the cartilage matured to assume the proper position... like I said, FWIW B)

    Many people who breed border collies for conformation glue their pup's ears to "set" them in a particular position as well. 

    Always makes me feel bad to see them with their ears glued. But then, I'm not too fond of the show dog environment or their quirks. ;) I'm definitely biased. 

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