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  1. Dave, a few friends and I built a 60ft round pen in 2 1/2 hours the other weekend. We used the corner of a perimeter fence for part of the round pen (I did not need to do anything with the corner as it was not a 90 degree angle, if needed you could add a piece of cattle panel to round out the corner. I measured the circle on the ground with a string and sheep marker. We attached the first panel to a wood post of the existing fence and while someone held the panel on the arc. Someone else held a t-post ( i used 7 ft posts so they would be in the ground a fair amt), while I used the bucket of the tractor to push the post into the ground. I used 16ft cattle panels and overlapped one square where the panels joined, placing a t-post half into the overlapped square. We put all the panels and post in this way, so the posts were exactly where they needed to be. Be careful of the ends of the cattle panels, that there are no sharp edges to catch dog or sheep on, as they will rip open sheep or dogs. Our edges were pretty smooth, but we attached pieces of plastic edging for plastic lattice (found at home depot). The opening in the edging will fit over the ends of the cattle panels and we attached them with zip ties. Where the cattle panels overlap, it may be difficult to attach both panels to the t-post, we used wire, but I am thinking of getting some hose clamps and using them, as the wire does not seem to be very tight. the gate was a cattle panel, one side attached to the wood post of the existing fence. For the other end of the "gate" we used 2 t-posts, one on each side of the end cattle panel, for strength, where sheep, dog and people passed thro. Here's how to calculate how many panels of what size you'll need to purchase: Multiply the diameter you desire by 3.14 to determine the pen's circumference. Divide the circumference by the length of the panels you wish to use If you are using zip ties for anything, like attaching the lattice edging, don't cut the ends of the zip ties, it makes them very sharp and stiff. The round pen works very well, seems to be holding up, and I am very pleased with it.
  2. Our farm is Windy Hollow Farm, for very obvious reasons. Any time some came to the farm, they always commented on "my, how windy it is here!" The land slopes gently downwards, so Windy Hollow suited it well. The guy came to deliver hay last weekend. He says "wow, it's windy here, wasn't windy back at my place" I said "yup, that's why it's called Windy Hollow Farm!"
  3. Kristen, here is a site that has information about whelping a litter etc. Debbie Jensen if you scroll down the page you will find the free information, it will tell you about supplies needed, a video of puppies being born, problems that can occur etc. I'm from Chester County also, I'm surprised the SPCA let a dog that is 1-2 years old be adopted without already being spayed or neutered. Have you contacted them? Maybe they can help you rehome the pups.
  4. Candace, First I would contact the person you got the dog from and ask for thier help. If they sold you the dog, they should be willing to help you with the dog. Second, I would try and find a trainer as mentioned by other people. Third you can get dvd and books at Border Collies in Action Derek Scrimgeour's Training secrets of a Hill Shepherd has alot information and Julie Simpson's book The Natural Way and Vergil Holland's book Herding Dog Progressive Training, both have information that is extremely helpful.
  5. If no one else is having a problem, then she would be shipped. I don't live at my farm and need to keep ewes that can lamb on thier own. You need to sort out management problems from sheep problems. I've learned not to overfeed ewes that look like they will single as the single will often be large and a difficult birth. This is not a ewe problem but a management problem on my part. But it sounds like you've given her a chance, and it probably is time to move her along.
  6. A few years ago I bought sheep from Ulf, owner of White Clover Sheep Farm. He used one of his german shepherds to gather a group of sheep, bring them into a holding area, sort them, hold the sheep for inspection and resort the ones I wanted. A very useful dog and it's conformation was nothing like the AKC german shepherds you see. Nancy O
  7. Jennifer, as a person who had been extremely whistle challanged, read as not being able to make any sound for well over a month, and also being one step above tone deaf, learning whistles had been a real pain for me. Mistakes I initially made were 1. not learning the whistles well enough before I tried to teach them to the dog, which just confused the dog more. 2. Not knowing enough at the beginning about all the nuances I would need for each whistle, to be able to make a good judgement on which whistles I would use for each command 3. Changing my whistles too many times due 1 and 2 above. That being said I have learned to whistle and my dogs have learned to take thier whistles. I do have my first dog Ben on a different come-bye whistle than all my other dogs, due to # 2 above. As Julie does, I have to think in my head before I run this dog and all my other dogs, to make sure I remember thier come-bye whistle. Interesting enough, if I blow the wrong come-bye whistle for a dog, they always take it as an away whistle, even tho it doesn't sound anything like thier away whistle! Kent's CD is very good and understandable, even for a beginner. Alasdair's, tho very informative, had way too much information given, for me as a novice handler, and probably me as an Open handler. Nancy O
  8. I've had several people suggest that I post a link to a blog I started, about our upcoming trip to Wales, to compete in the World Sheepdog Trial. Heather Nadleman had asked me to send her emails from Wales about our trip, but since I don't know if or when I will have email access, I declined. Instead I started a blog about our adventures to Wales. Nick and Nancy - 2008 World Sheepdog Trial If I have internet access in Wales, I will update the blog as I can. Thanks for everyone's support and well wishes. Nancy O
  9. I've gone thro this recently with a dog I am starting. Short story is dog had a fall as a puppy, cracked his shoulder, miss diagnosed, eventually had surgery, crated for almost a year. Said dog began training at about 20 months. Big strong dog who has been crated most of his life. Dog was a dirty nasty gripper, grabbing a hind leg for no discernable reason, on dog broke sheep. Couldn't take him anywhere because of the gripping. Talked to alot of trainers, they all told me he must be afraid of sheep. So put him in a small area about 8 x 10. He was lovely. No gripping, nice and steady, no fear getting them off the sides. Hmm....... So worked him in the round pen on the dog broke sheep for over 2 months, yes it took that long to even think about moving him out of the round pen, and eventually took these same sheep into the larger field, he was fine. BUT I didn't think he was learning anything. So back to the round pen, where I started adding wilder sheep to the mix. I think he didn't know how to control sheep. So in the round pen I could get on him if needed, this is a dog that would grab the hind leg, take the sheep down and would not let go. Believe me there was no trust. But I had to let him attempt to make his mistakes and correct him when he first thought of going in for a grip. Five months later he is out in the large field with any type of sheep, doing short outruns, driving nicely. I keep upping the ante for him, putting a bit more pressure on him, sheep that will split, lambs etc. I've even taken him to a good friend's field (read, if he was really bad, I knew she would understand) and worked him and he did fine. I am still on the alert, but I've had to temper my own fear and do what Jack Knox says about not making the dog right, but correcting the wrong. Don't know how he will turn out, but for now I'm willing to continue working with him and see where he goes. Nancy O
  10. Deb you have waaaaay too much time on your hands! Maybe need another dog to train So if you do bunny jumping, does that mean you will be young, thin and blonde, maybe I should take up this hobby Nancy O
  11. Angie wrote Hi Angie, all dogs need some basic obedience, especially coming when called. You probably know from Sarah that we use "That'll do" as the recall for dogs that will hopefully work stock, as one of our directional commands or flanks, is come bye. If you've been using "Come" for your recall, don't worry, you can always use "go bye" Alot of obedience classes are teaching "watch me", where the owner is asking the dog to be looking up at them alot. This is one thing I wouldn't do with a dog that I am going to train for stock work. The reason is that we want the dog focused on the stock and not on us. Binx is very cute! Nancy O
  12. Hey Julie, have you tried teaching a stand instead of using a lie down. Saw this work with a friend's dog that was pretty fast and clappy. The dog was taught to stand off sheep, as you would teach the dog to sit or lie down. When on sheep, ask for a stand, if she lied down, tell her either stand or on your feet, which would be the command to get back up onto her feet rather than lying on her belly. You'll need to go back to walking next to the dog and if asked to stand and she lies down, then you may need to physically encourage her to stand ( a hand under the belly) and then move foward again. The other thing to try would be to correct her if she lies down and wasn't asked to. So if she is moving along and you ask for a steady and instead she lies down, then give her a "heh" and have her get back up again. This worked for a bitch I had that liked to move along on her belly (people use to call her a dust mop), but I wanted her up on her feet. This dog actually developed pretty nice pace by working her in a square with me in the center. Nancy O
  13. Hi Diane, Your pup may be too young to start actual herding with, but there are still other things that you can teach her at this age, so when she is ready to start training, you will have the tools to do so. Teach her to come when called, we use "that'll do". we do not use the command "come" since one of our commands on sheep is "comebye" Teach her what a correction is and that her world does not end if she is corrected. If she is misbehaving, you can use a "heh!" to tell her that she is doing something wrong. You can teach her to lie down. You wrote I would discourage this, even if you need to not let her out with Honey Bear. Chasing and nipping are bad habits and should be discouraged. Take her with you to as many places as you can. There are many other things you can do at this time with your pup, but mainly you want to raise her up to be a good dog, happy and confident in herself and with you. You can find out alot of information about herding at http://www.littlehats.net/core.html Welcome to the boards. Nancy O
  14. At the Long Shot Sheepdog Trial this past weekend, in Church Hill Md, our hostess, Sherry Smith held a raffle to help support my trip to the World Trial with my dog Nick. Sherry's sister, Cathy Meredith, donated a handmade stained glass border collie on a wood base. It depicted a lovely black and white working border collie. I was overwhelmed by everyones well wishes and thier generous donations to the raffle, and wanted to thank everyone who supported the raffle. When our judge, Bob Washer, drew the winning ticket, Sue Asten was the happy winner! Again, thanks to everyone for thier support! Nancy Obernier
  15. You look for dogs that have the same type of method of working like the great dog you had, and hopefully you/they will be repeating that breeding. And maybe you will find one that is even better! Nancy O
  16. Andrea wrote Andrea, Don't really have alot of knowledge to be able to contribute. Most of the dogs mentioned were before I became involved in this sport, started trialling in N/N 5 years ago this spring. Dogs that catch my eye all tend to have the same method of working, and Andrea they are all cool headed. And interesting enough, when I've inquired, they all have Johnny Wilson's Spot in the pedigree and usually Wisp in there once or twice. With the size of the country, it's hard to watch any but local dogs, worked and trialed on a regular basis, to be able to form any type of opinion. Nancy O
  17. One reason would be you have too many Open dogs, or dogs that could run in Open. Since you usually can only run 2 dogs in Open at any trial, if you have 3 or 4 Open dogs, 2 of them are usually just sitting around and not being worked. Often times a dog is kept in Open Ranch, just because you already have 2 Open dogs and if you move up the Open Ranch dog, they would never get to trial. Nancy O
  18. Robin, this has been my point, the fact that you got Bill, because you've looked at the "line" he came from and saw that there are alot of dogs consistently doing well from that "line". The are alot of excellent working and trial dogs, but this is what would put the dog at the top of the list for me. Nancy O
  19. Marilyn, I agree that you can have a great working dog that never produces anything (and I'm not referring to Pippa, as I know nothing about her reproductive history), but then what does that dog/bitch contribute to the breed? Esp when you can have a dog that may not be at the top of standings, yet thier offspring, either to the same partner, or to different partners, consistently produces good/great offspring. I am only saying that the dog that produces good dogs over and over again, even if they themselves are not a "Great Dog" would stand out for me. But then you don't often hear about them, do you? Very true. If you look at littermates, the ones that are in the hands of good trainers, are much better off than those that aren't. And when evaluating a dog, that needs to be taken into consideration. Nancy O
  20. Laura, thanks for the information. I have a friend that needed the dates to plan vacation time. Nancy O
  21. Does anyone know the actual dates for the Finals in Sturgis this year. The USBCHA site has Sept 9th posted, but no date when it will run thro. Also, will they be running Nursery after the Open finals are completed? Nancy O
  22. Robin wrote Robin, I think that the ability to breed well and pass along the traits is what separates the great dogs from the good dogs. If the dog (or bitch) is not able to pass along the traits, then you end up with a one hit wonder. Tha ability to pass along the traits is what provides the foundation for the breed. Nancy O
  23. Hi Deb, sorry I did not see this post till now. First let me say the entire video was extremely well done. Great job! I don't know much, OK nothing, about color saturation, but the colors were beautiful in the video. The video flowed nicely from one section to another without lag time. The voice over by Aled, explaining what was going on, while still being able to hear his voice during the actual training was correct also. I can't say enough good things about this video and continue to go back to it again and again. By the way, a friend who is a novice/novice handler borrowed the video. She felt she was able to get alot out of the video also. Nancy O
  24. Don't have an answer, but when I was downloading some pics of my dogs in photoshop, and was trying to correct some red eye, a window popped up and asked if I wanted to correct green eye in dogs. Before that I had never heard of dogs having green eye instead of red eye. Mine had red eye, but since the question was asked, I figured it must be a common problem with shots of dogs. If you aren't using a flash, do the eyes look normal? Nancy O
  25. Julie, Got it from Border Collies in Action. Unfortunately my flip video stopped working, I really liked it, returned it and had to get something different, not as easy to use, liked the flip video better. My friend's flip video is working fine The 2 DVD's are different, and therefore worth getting both. Hard to exactly explain, but I would say Derek's is like looking at a written blueprint of what you want to accomplish. Great in that things are slowed down and you have time to see what you are trying to accomplish. If I were a novice person, trying to figure out how to train up a dog, I would want this video. It also has very good explanation about driving, shedding and look back. Aled gives a very good explanation of what and how he is trying to accomplish, but more in the context of actually working the dog. May not be as easy for a novice handler to understand. Hope this kinda makes sense. Nancy O
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