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  1. One of my border collies as a pup (8-12 weeks old) was a horrible car chaser, inside the car and out. As a pup he rode with a blanket over his crate all the time, because he went to work with me he did alot of car riding. When he was on leash he was always trying to chase cars, when I was at my field I would set it up so he would be on lead near the road with me, as a car would start to drive by, he would get a correction (a pop on his leash)right before he would even react to the car. What actually cured him of it, was one time just as he was beginning to react to a car coming, he go tapped on the nose with my crook. I felt bad about it, but it scared the car chasing out of him, he wouldn't even go up to that part of the field, of course I made him go anyway and continued the reinforcement of a correction (not the tap on the nose)for awhile. I don't like being phsyical with a dog (such as a tap on the nose) but the alternative was probably going to be a dead dog! The good news is he doesn't chase cars anymore, he is now 14 months old. For riding in the car, if allowed he will sit up in his crate and quietly watch cars go by, but I keep an eye on him and he is old enough that when told to lie down he does, his crate in the car is no longer covered. I think the important thing about trying to break this habit along with other habits is 1. If you see it developing stop is immediately 2. Taking the time to consistently correct the dog, every time. It is so easy to not take the time, every time. Nancy O
  2. Hi Terry, if you click on the link in my previous post it will take you to the site. If you had the liquid refreshment at Siesta time you probably wouldn't wake up for your afternoon run! I had also been told not to let Zac lie down because of his "stickyness" The problem seems to have resolved itself in the larger field. Sometimes he will stop short if someone is holding out, but I think this is more a very young dog not knowing what to do with someone else out there, rather than a sticky issue. Bobby Dalziel would crack his whip to make the dog go around the sheep (he didn't crack it at the dog or on the dog but next to his (Bobby's) leg)The noise seemed to get Zac's attention enough to make him want to move, where a crook banged on the ground or a flappy arm didn't have any affect at all. Interesting about the whistles. Nancy O
  3. Bill wrote "refused "novice" handlers a chance to run in novice with a fully trained, imported Open level dog" Bill I am a novice handler (had never trialed) and bought a bitch a year ago that was supposed to be fully trained including the shed, she had been run in a few nursery trials overseas before I got her. When I got her she would not drive or shed, it took about 9 months of working with her to get her to drive, she is just beginning to shed. I ran her in N/N last year, couldn't even go to P/N because she wouldn't drive. I know alot of people feel the same way you do when someone imports a dog, but some dogs don't change handlers well and it takes a long time to get things back to where they were with the previous owner and to rebuild the dogs confidence. I happen to like this dog and she tries really hard. This year I will be running her in Ranch, don't think we will do well or place, but I think it will be good experience for both of us. Being able to run her in N/N gave me experience in how to handle a dog at a trial etc, things you don't really learn at home, no matter how many times you practice them on the home field. I can't imagine people running in the Novice classes for the "money" etc, it's just not that much if any at all. I am happy to be able to go out and run my dog and get the experience, in the hopes that I will have a dog that I can run in Open someday, and I don't think it will be this one. I am glad of the different levels available. I thought I had read somewhere that the Nursery trials overseas are not based on age as they are over here, but based on whether the dog has run in an Open trial. Does anyone know if this is correct? Nancy O
  4. Let me rephrase this, not actually looking to work the dogs on ewes and lambs except if I needed to move them from one place to another, and am actually talking about lambs that are 8-10 weeks old that will most likely still be with the ewes. At that age they don't have any fear of a dog and will go right up to the dog. Haven't had to move any lambs yet as the couple that I've had are still in a protected area with shelter with their moms. I do have other sheep that I will actually work and train the dogs on if the weather should ever cooperate. So I guess the question is how do you go about getting the dog to move the lambs. The dog I would like to work and move them with is just 2, works quitely with great self control and listens well so I'm not worried that he will disturb the ewes and lambs, but, and I quess this is where the training question starts, I would like to find out what to do if the lamb should just stand there and not move, come up and sniff the dog etc. I guess this is where the question about hurting the confidence of the dog comes into play. So if a lamb just stands there or goes up to the dog, do I stand next to the dog and while encouraging the dog to walk up on the lamb, use my physical presence to start moving the lamb away from the dog, or what. Nancy O
  5. Hi, since everyone seems to be lambing, I was wondering. At what age or maturity do you start working a dog with ewes and lambs. I've heard you don't want to work a young dog on them, as they my fight the dog and hurt it's confidence. Nancy O
  6. Andrea, yes, I bought Bryn, hopefully he will arrive soon if the weather cooperates. Hope to see you in April, had to try those Jack Daniel lemonades after you were here last year! Nancy O
  7. Hi Diane, I figured that, we'll have to reschedule if the weather ever gets better. Zac is a pup that top handlers thought had way too much eye, he would go a few feet and stop, go a few feet and stop, or not go around at all, until you put him in a large field. Patrick Shannahan had said, I wouldn't have known that was the same dog from this morning, forget what I said about him this morning.(in the morning in was in a small area about 200x300 and in the afternoon he was in a much larger field)The larger area seems to free him up, he now seems to have a nice amount of eye, remains very intense, and moves around his sheep to balance on his own. I can now work him in a smaller area without him being sticky. I wonder what would have happened with him if I hadn't kept trying to get help with him from different people, he's well bred and I figured there should be something good in there. Some other top handlers couldn't get him around his sheep either because of the stickiness. Nancy O
  8. Inci, On this note of walking ewes. This is my first real year at lambing, 2 lambed earlier on pasture and were jugged after lambing, had something to do with the temperature being 2 degrees out! One was a first time ewe and the other had lambed before. Had planned on keeping them out on pasture until this heavy snow storm and the 2 heavily pregnant ewes that are due to lamb shortly are in a sheltered area about 60 feet by 20 feet with the 2 that had lambed earlier. I was cocnerned that the lack of exercise will cause problems with these 2 when they lamb. Prior to this they had been getting alot of exercise in the lower pasture and had been walking alot with the rest of the flock each day, no encouragement needed. Not that the rest are getting much exercise now, just a trail to the large bale and back. The other 10 aren't due to lamb until the end of March. The 2 that are due soon have lambed before. NAncy O
  9. Inci, Problem was that I was holding the line and we were near sheep! Had just finished working the sheep with him and picked up the line less than 10 feet from him to make sure he would come off with me, with enough slack to make sure it was his decision. The sheep was so close as it came between us that the pup tried to grab a piece of it. There's a picture of him working, actually it was taken the same day, it's the one of Zac at the bottom of the page. http://www.geocities.com/nobernier2002/win...l?1042214420484 I liked your idea of the 2 way radios "Can you hear me NOW!" Well now that's it's raining, the snow will compact, so that when it freezes again on Monday there will be a foot of solid ice! Hi Andrea, are you coming down for Scott's clinic and any trials? Nancy O In SE PA
  10. Inci wrote "then I went to Bobby Dalziel's clinic and saw an 80 ft one. Believe me,I went and got a 100 ft., so much easier to catch and correct." Hi Inci, I also went to one of Bobby's clinic and he did wonders with my 10 month old that wouldn't go around his sheep and used the rope. Other 2 dogs didn't require the rope at all. Went home and got a 30 foot thin rope, worked great until.... called the pup off, picked up the rope, pup actually came off with me, but he went around a post that was nearby in the field making the rope taut, no problem you say, except one of the sheep decided to run between the pup and me in ths same direction we were going, and ran into the line! Sheep backed up and jumped the line and went to bottom of field. Didn't think much about it except, what a dumb sheep to run the opposite way of the group and between me and the dog. Well my daughter yells up to me that sheep is bleeding, I tell her *#%# thing just ran into a line. Well turns out sheep had cut it's upper front leg and severed an artery, blood was pulsing out. Thinking we would have to put the sheep down, but not having anything available, put the gambrel restrainer on and tied off the artery(could only find one piece of it) pushed it back into the wound, closed the wound, cleaned the wound, gave a shot of antibiotics and put it in the shed, which he immediately tried to jump the 5 foot door so but some buddies in with him. Thought the next day leg would be black, and we would put the sheep down, but sheep recoverd completely and still will jump things! So be careful of those thin lines, I had been using climbing rope which had a much larger diameter than what Bobby used. Nancy Obernier
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