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  1. I posted a whole bunch of video in the 'abca look up ' thread about my fear aggressive dog. It's doable. She's on prozac and has been for a couple of years. Lots of work, too. No regrets.
  2. I have used an e-collar for two types of situation: 1-) Snake training. Ie: When I desire to create a negative association/fear in the dog. It is very rare to have this kind of thing come up. 2-) As a reward marker for my deaf dog when she was younger and less senile. This is obviously not traditional usage as it meant GOOD THINGS for her. I have used punishment of various sorts for other things, but never e-collars. Otherwise, no. Are you paying ANY ATTENTION AT ALL to what people are telling you about the stupidity of what you're trying to do in general, or these chain places in particular? If not - maybe just stop and come back when your dog is now actively dangerous or having more trouble. Because that's the only thing going down this path is going to lead to. the place you are looking into has *actually killed dogs* and their training isn't. You know nothing about this type of training. People who are actually good trainers and usee things like e-collars will not use them for fear or aggression issues because of the risk, so none of them are going to help you with this. For the love of your dog LISTEN TO PEOPLE before you get someone hurt and your dog dead. /
  3. https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/Former-Patriots-Player-Jerod-Mayos-Missing-Dog-Found-Dead-490164731.html Can I repeat: THIS IS A CHAIN THAT HAS BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE DEATH OF AT LEAST ONE DOG? Forgot the e-collar thing for the time being, though I can't think of a worse application of one than this, these people are a chain, who hire people who are barely trained at all and THEN combine it with an e-collar. FFS, find a real trainer!
  4. AND SPAMMING BUT OH MY GOD THAT GROUP IS LOCAL TO ME and I just noticed who they are (I skimmed the video and skipped the intro splash page). They have two locations near me. RUN AWAY. Don't walk, RUN. It's not just the collar, though that's bad. It's that they 'certify' people as trainers after 2 weeks (ie: their trainers know nothing), use e-collars on ALL dogs, even those who just need to learn how to sit or are 8 weeks old, give them out as part of every package. They're a chain, they are a bad chain, they are a terrible chain, they know NOTHING and are associated with dogs DYING in their care. DO NOT GO NEAR THEM, HOLY CRAP NO.
  5. Also, this is a dog who narrowly finished group classes - next to last class she went after a dog. It was bad. Today she's an actively competing agility dog. Trial (her first real one). Molly at an agility practice, being a normal dog. Look in the background of both of these videos. Ignore/mute the music. I just can't handle the sounds the camera makes. (Sorry for all the videos, but if you want video proof of success - I've got it. Also GVCBorder could tell you a thing or two based on real life meetings with this one, too.)
  6. Yeah, those videos really upset me. Like, it's uncomfortable for me to see the dogs' discomfort. I have a fear aggressive dog. I won't pretend I wasn't occasionally tempted to employ the 'quick fix' that e-collars and other pain/fear based methods can APPEAR to give. I understand how people with less dog experience and training experience can go for them. Fortunately (for my dog) I know that most of those methods only really shut down behavior and often create a ticking time bomb, rather than resolve the issue - and certainly a dog who's 'bad' behavior is fear driven doesn't need more fear. So, I got my very fearful dog on meds, took a year off, worked on teaching fluency in obedience behavior and building trust in me and slowly working our way back into the world with the help of controlled exposure. It wasn't fast, no. But it was worth it. This is my dog today (well, a couple of months ago) - a dog who would lunge, growl, bark at everything from dogs and people to plastic bags and misplaced cake within the house. Compare her body language and general demeanor to what's in the 'demonstration' video above. Even if you don't have a great understanding of dogs, this should be pretty danged obvious. (Stay with the video - the first part is just a really long stay. While arriving at an agility lesson which is her favorite place in the world).
  7. He's 4-5 months old. There's an hour drive there. You arrive an hour early. It's an hour long class. Honestly? If my 18 MONTH old was expected to handle that, his brain would be fried. Heck, end of his one hour class after a 45 minute drive he would be kind of frantically barking and unfocused and this was literally *last week* (just finished). Work on making him not happy and excited about his crate, but relaxed in it. At least the crate in your car. After being in this class 6 weeks he probably does not need an hour to acclimate. Scratch that, at least. And if you have to crate him in your car with a chew so he will calm down and NAP. Or give him a break for a couple of months. Honestly he sounds normal. Just over tired and over stimulated.
  8. Yeah, I don't want you mean exactly. It's not like some hard and fast 'you have arrived' thing. They gain experiences, gain confidence, grow into themselves and their lives, relationship builds, reliability builds, and they keep maturing. For a long, long time, possibly forever. I'd say Molly stopped became a reliable, trustworthy, *emotionally* mature, very good dog with whom I had a very good relationship and mutual understanding with about 3-4. Attention span, off switch, good house behavior, physical coordination, off leash reliability (that never left), focus and desire to learn and work with me? 7 weeks old
  9. He's doing this because he's a 2 year old Border Collie and he's becoming socially mature and less tolerant of other dogs. That's normal - or within the realm of normal. You may also be dealing with some frustration stuff re: the leash, but most fully mature BC (and indeed herding breeds) grow out of 'playing with strange dogs' or being good/loving every dog they meet. Work on focus on you and work with you in the presence of other dogs. Don't try to make him 'friendly' with them. That will back fire.
  10. This is awesome! Always fun when you get a pleasant surprise and get to be impressed with your own dog and this definitely a hard, hard course! (I've been working on 180 degree turns with an off course tunnel 'behind them' today, so this is timely as well as really great!)
  11. Not just further west. Not sure how common it is here, but there are a whole lot of 'useful farm dogs' of a few breeds and mixes (most with a health dose of border collie) being used in the rural areas around me, who would not be great for trialing but are stellar at getting what needs done, done.
  12. It takes a long time for many, many dogs to understand the 'point' of agility. It's a lot of separate skills and factors and really long behavior chains as you go. It's fun! But 'I GET THIS!" lightbulb takes time. but 98% of the game has nothing to do with the equipment, the equipment *is* the relative easier part that comes quickest - but it's also the part that can be hardest to fix if learned wrong and comes with physical risk to the dog. So it's really important to get the foundations, teach them as well as you possibly can, and stick with it.
  13. Throw a toy between the jump uprights/ahead of her. And do more rewarding with a toy/in front of the dog instead of your hand, in general.
  14. This weekend was weird. It was a really small trial, but with a lot of people who aren't normally there or new people and more 'wtf' moments than usual. Possibly the environment got too laid back, or the incoming hurricane was influencing people's brain or something. We had a woman with a 3lb 'toy aussie' (7 month old) puppy who stopped to ask if Molly was good with other dogs. Upon saying 'no' the woman hung out and tried to chat while her breakable dog was being a wild idiot doing zoomies on about 9 feet of leash around Molly - until I picked Molly up and walked away. We had to repeatedly yell at one particular couple who KEPT blocking the entry gate but getting offended by their dog being snarked at. God help me if Barney e does not stop pissing on the ring gates, I'm going to tear some piece of his anatomy off. ...Thankfully, at least, Barney is definitely a dog. And the face kissing thing. Molly was very good not to put holes in anyone but certainly went whale eyed while I squeaked out a 'panicked 'Don't do that!' (Lab owner. Lovely lady but holy crap). Another woman leaned over Molly to baby talk at her. I told her to stop. She said, 'Yeah your husband said she needed space'. Great, so maybe do that? And another person (golden owner) walked up to Kylie, grabbed her by the face and playfully shook. ...Sometimes I think my dogs have issues and then this stuff happens, no one bleeds and I realize they're actually pretty good dogs. And also that people are bizarre and maybe I need to go back to that 'Ignore me' harness since apparently acting normal and behaving is the batsignal for people to completely invade their space and manhandle them. It really was a good weekend overall though! Just. weird stuff.
  15. Molly got 3 new titles this weekend - Novice Chances, Open Weavers, Elite Tunnelers. The actual brag is that when someone bent over and tried to kiss her face, no one got bitten. Love the woman who did it but I think she just... spaced out, and was able to do so because Molly's become very, very ...solid in not acting like a fool with minimal management, but. No.
  16. Also: Yes, as GL said, 2 minutes of nose to nose greeting is a lot and a good way to keep this from happening is to allow about 3-5 seconds if you're going to let a nose-to-nose or onleash greeting to happen, and then call your dog out and away from it. Dogs face to face for an extended amount of time almost ALWAYS ends up with a warning from one dog that the interaction is OVER, now back the heck up. Could be subtle, could be more overt, but it's not great behavior for more than a second or two, and rarely ends well.
  17. Honestly, I am of the opinion that MANY border collies are just not good with other dogs - if you mean 'are willing to play with strange dogs, put up with rough play and/or puppies and extended face to face greetings' as opposed to 'exist near them without starting crap'. I don't think they're more likely to be outright aggressive, or seek out conflict, than other breeds - in fact probably (Much) less than many. However, willing to growl, bark, and air snap to make very clear that they're not interested in playing and to protect their personal space? Yep. Very common. My dog spent all day at an agility trial today and was very polite, comfortable, relaxed and lovely. Until a wound up puppy came charging and zooming into her face. At which point, you bet, my girl said 'get the 'eff' of of my face'' loudly. Do I have a problem with that? No. Do I view that as 'bad' behavior or aggression? Nope. I have a problem with a non-entered puppy, owned by a non-competing human, allowing her wound up and over aroused tiny dog to zoom around at the end of an excessively long leash though! And I certainly consider that bad behavior!
  18. Yeah, pretty much my thought. Puppies also tend to over-react. Especially if they don't have experience with corrections from adult dogs and tend to be rude little jerks who 'deserve' the telling off.
  19. I will say that while this is scary and bad, the dog wasn't actually biting aggressively. Roughly, scaring the crap out of your puppy, but if a lab was attacking aggressively you wouldn't have a puppy left, much less 'no skin broken'. Breath, be careful going forward, don't allow your puppy to greet strange dogs for more than about 3 seconds or at all when on leash, be confident or fake it for your pup's sake.
  20. She looks vaguely like, if she is a BC, she may have pituitary dwarfism. I'd see a vet.
  21. Jawz, Super Sonic, or Eurablend. I used them all regularly, with hard biting dogs who puncture through and destroy regular discs in a single Toss and Fetch League Session (so 2 minutes of playing, total) and those are still 100% fine, and without a mark.
  22. From my understanding it will be somewhere east every other year. there's also a pre-elite division which just requires 10 regular Qs at any level. Not suggesting you do that (or not) just information. Requirements for elite/regular division is 4 open or elite jumpers, 4 open or elite chances, and 10 open or elite regular. and yeah. I don't trial enough to make this easy, either. I just pretty well got determined to at least go ONCE. With Kylie because she's not spectacular but she's comfortable and easy to travel and be new places with, and she's consistent.
  23. Oh, I forgot to tell you. Location next year is Springfield, Ohio.
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