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  1. The good news (but actually sad reality) is that there will always be great dogs available. If you miss on one, another one will be available later. If driving a long distance, you can overnight in the adoption RV http://www.glenhighlandfarm.com/lodging.htm
  2. That's because they are not an AKC breed (yet). Unlike the Border Collie which is "Recognized worldwide as the premier sheepherding dog, known for its obedience, trainability and natural appearance" It would be very interesting to see that merle study which would present some data to enlighten the merle-deafness debate. It is however a self selecting study, only certain breeders participate, and not yet reviewed scientifically. Still, once the data is compiled and analyzed it would be interesting to know what are the conclusions.
  3. I know, it was a rhetorical question. The double merle discussion was here (linking for convenience): http://www.bordercollie.org/boards/index.php?showtopic=32886 This is why I really have a problem with breed standards. IMHO breeding should done with health as the most important criteria -if not issues will compound over time-, temperament as the second most important and then, for working breeds, work ability. For BC, one can argue that work ability requires good health and temperament and makes them all related but that doesn't mean constant vigilance is not required to ensure inbreeding doesn't creep up. It's one level of danger to breed for looks (fluff, tipped ears, whatever) because it increases potential genetic issues from reduced gene pool overtime. But it's another level all together to knowingly breed genetic defects for arbitrary aesthetic reasons, or fancy. Small victory lately, I was able to steer someone away from buying a merle mini-aussie from a place that had some puppy mill red flags. Problem is that my friend had no idea about merle or puppy mills, she just liked the colour and the price. Hence a market for merle X merle.
  4. You live in NY (according to location)? Glen Highland Farm - Sweet Border Collie Rescue gets and places dozens if not hundreds of rescue dogs a year. http://www.glenhighlandfarm.com/ghfdogs.htm And they have taken dogs from as far as Texas before as well.
  5. Statement can't be understood because it is not fully logical. One can understand his flawed reasoning to get there but the reasoning remain flawed. Catahoula association is looking into gathering more data on Merle-Deafness according to this: http://www.cobradog.com/merle-expression-deafness.php Note the specific statement about 'no culling allowed to participate in study', which makes one infer that culling is not uncommon. Obviously I don't know all the latest research but reading this paper: http://www.lsu.edu/deafness/StrainMerleJVIM2009.pdf One can see statements such as: "Of the double merles, only 3 of 29 Catahoulas were affected (10.3%), whereas 2 of 3 Australian Shepherds were affected (66.7%). From the total non-Catahoula MM population of the present study, 7 of 11 were affected (63.6%), suggesting a possible difference between the Catahoula and other merle breeds for merle effects on hearing. This finding is not surprising because most double-merle Catahoulas are heavily pigmented compared with double merles of other breeds." A couple things to note: - it is plausible that less phenotype merle (and by extension ghost-cryptic merle) is associated with not as much hearing loss (that's a reasonable assumption) - BUT there is not enough data to support the theory at this point, the paper has VERY small sample size and thus the use of the "possible". Not only that but without identifying genes that cause deafness then it is all guesses unless one starts to get very large sample size. And the paper says so: "Also, the impact of the merle allele on auditory function may vary with breed (as also is the case for piebald breeds) as indicated by the differences between Catahoulas and Australian Shepherds. Based on unpublished observations (GMS), the collie-type breeds (Collie, Sheltie, and Border Collie) appear to be more affected by deafness than some other breeds such as the Catahoula. However, larger numbers of BAER-tested and genotyped subjects will be required to determine whether or not significant breed differences exist." So evidence is inconclusive at best for now. So yes Catahoula MAY be different and less visible merling MAY be associated with less deafness but we don't know for sure. Given how many other problems Merle X Merle have, why breed for them? And absurdly, if you breed "Merle that are as little Merle as possible" why not simply breed non-merle to start with? And even say that you can get a Merle X Merle that has a lower probability of deafness... how does one do that? Inbreeding? That can cause a whole lot of other undesirable traits to come out while trying to root out a bad one.
  6. Let's first look at the second argument: "some litters of merle X merle don't have any deaf pups". That statement shows that the person doesn't understand statistics and thus genetics. Assuming a pup has 25% chances of being deaf with a merle X merle breeding, that doesn't mean that in a litter of 4 pups there will be one deaf one. Each pup has an independent probability of being deaf. Thus a litter of 4 pups will have a probability 0.75*0.75*0.75*0.75 = 31.6% of having no deaf pups, roughly one in three chance. Even with litter size of say 8 pups there would be a 10% chance of no deaf ones in the litter. Now let's look at the second argument, AFAIK (and I'm no researcher on the subject) the link between merle and deafness is not quite fully understood yet. AFAIK, it is not likely that the merle gene causes deafness but rather that the presence of the gene merle has a high correlation of being associated with deafness. It is thus possible that someone could note that other gene expression reduces the probability of deafness and thus 'disassociate' the merle gene from the deafness. But I would think it is highly unlikely that someone could come unto that by chance and by 'observing the litter' when serious geneticist are still investigating the topic (google Merle Allele deafness for a few articles). But, given how many different genetic problems there are with the merle allele, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merle_%28dog_coat%29, breeding double merle is just irresponsible. But oh the flashy colours (on the dogs and the dollar bills)...
  7. How about going through these posters with the kids and demonstrate (with the dog) how to greet and behave around a dog. Kids will be happy to learn something (and dog happy not to get 'mauled' by kids). Of course, dogs & young kids should not be left unsupervised together http://info.drsophiayin.com/download-free-poster-how-kids-and-pets-should-not-interact/
  8. I'm certainly no CU expert but just finished watching the DVD yesterday so its rather fresh in my mind (bought the book, was sent the DVD by mistake) As far as I understand, it is not wrong to click when looking back at you but it is better to click when your dog is looking at "that", then he has to look back at you to get his reward. Goal is a quick look at "that" then back at mommy for the reward. Where/how are you playing the game? Are you asking for too much? Try making it easy for him to get the game (eg at home on his mat) then progressively increase the criteria, not on his mat, increasingly disruptive things, then outside on his mat, then increase criteria, and finally at agility on his mat, then increase criteria. Makes sense?
  9. So that our US friends know what the value of 5000$ Canadian is... it's 5000$ US (to be more accurate 4987.75$ US but one needs to add conversion fees) Not said if the price includes or not the 13% sales tax...
  10. Fear not, a few years ago the CKC held a referendum of CKC members that allowed the Border Collie to be shown as a listed breed in comformation. That the only legal registry (CBCA) is against it appears to be irrelevant. At least if one shows in CKC Conformation one can't be a member of CBCA. So one is showing what is not a legally registered Border Collie in Canada.
  11. On the subject of liability, I see the OP is from Northern-Ontario. As far as I know here in Ontario, while the dog owner is liable for the bite, it is generally covered under one's home owner insurance. Of course one should check his own insurance papers. Insurers can also deny coverage after a first claim is covered (or hike premium or impose training conditions, etc). Courts can also mandate PTS if they deem the dog dangerous. Generally speaking we don't have the same level of tort damages in Canada.
  12. Being 80 doesn't mean one can't have a thriving dog. Failing health or neglect is different (at any age). Making arrangements for your pets to be well taken care off if something were to happen to you, valid at all ages. Many people trial late into their golden years. The dog runs to get the sheep while the handler barely leaves the post! Or one can do agility, perhaps not competitively, but the dog can run the course using voice or hand commands without the handler running by. Or this 82yr old whose border collie has a job learning words:
  13. Quite a fun video. Lots of people have also mounted the GoPro HD camera to dog harnesses. It is not quite a "dog's view" as one sees the back of the head but does look to be a bit less bouncy than head mounted. For example, Rose the three legged BC: (lost a leg due to a bad porcupine encounter, operation was actually featured on the show 'animo' on CBC-french)
  14. Not to hijack the thread but may I ask what would be the issue with Creekside? (I'm looking at rescue first but also starting to research breeders anywhere within 8hrs drive from Ottawa, preferably in Canada). From the website, the breeder looks involved with trialing (represented Canada at the World's in 2008?) and certainly appeared to me -from website reading- as being a responsible breeder of working border collies. Unlike other place in Canada such as this one (which shows up on top on Google) who raise a lot more red flags: http://www.bordercollie.org/boards/index.php?showtopic=23168
  15. Not sure if this should be here or in the video section (if so please move). Partial solution. I've tried some free proxy and it didn't work. So I splurged on a VPN subscription for 1month (12$). Looks like video stay on the Channel4 site for 1month. I was able to see the first episode, 1h30m of trials with some 'documentary' sections explaining outrun, lift, etc. First run shown was Tommy &Sly. There were no 'technological gizmos' (GPS, heart rate), perhaps that will be for future episodes? The downside is, probably because of low bandwidth of the VPN -or latency to the UK for streaming-, video freezes for 1/2s every 30s or so. Which can be annoying (still watchable but annoying). The VPN I tried was "HMA! Pro VPN" (Google will find it). Straightforward to buy and install, then need to connect to a UK 'out' address. There are probably better (and cheaper) solutions but that's a partial solution. If you (or anyone) need more info, I can answer via PM.
  16. Channel4 is covering the finals on TV in the UK. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-world-sheep-dog-trials First episode is already up on 4OD (Four on Demand) http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-world-sheep-dog-trials/episode-guide/series-1 It would appear that it is restricted geographically as to whom can see the videos as from Canada I get the 'not available in your region'. VPN/Proxy trickery should be able to get around that (but I haven't tried it yet to confirm). Apparently show uses HD cameras, GPS tracking, accelerometers on the dogs, heart rate monitors on the sheep and slow motion replays. http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/sep/12/dog-v-sheep-sheepdog-trials
  17. Amanda's contact information can be found on the CBCA website http://www.canadianbordercollies.org/breeders.html
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