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  1. I suspect she will be just fine. My vet and agility coach keep Wallace ( 11 months ) under a little bit of restriction until his growth plates are closed but nothing too crazy. We don't do repetitive exercises with a lot of pressure like full height jumps, a-frames, etc. and we do not practice flat work every day.  We do go for walks, occasional hikes, and play fetch with a chuck-it a few times a week. I couldn't imagine not letting my him run now and then, but we certainly aren't training for any marathons or 20 mile backpacking trips. 

    I think of it a bit like human kids, they need exercise and play and sports can be good for them. However, if you religiously make your kid train every day to be an Olympic gymnast from age 4 their probably going to have joint problems early on in life.   

    Are you going to to do agility or flyball or anything like that?




  2. I have a 10 month old. One day when he was around 6 months old he was standing at the door of my car and I was preparing to let him in the car. When I said "load up" he jumped on the hood of the car and stared at me. My old dog Rocket hopped onto the washing machine after I happened to pat my legs ( a signal that it was okay to jump on me) while I was doing the laundry. Each of these happened from a complete standstill. So, your story seems like a border collie story. I am glad she's okay. 

    In each of these cases I told the dog, "NO! not there!" and they got the hint. Wallace doesn't load onto the hood of the car and Rocket did not develop a habit of jumping on top of the washing machine or dryer. 


  3. Oh Ezrydr I am so sorry to hear that. Try not to be hard on yourself. It's so hard to be there. I used to work in a vet office and assisted with many dogs. Even though they were not mine I held them and spoke to them as they went when their owners could not. I recently had to say goodbye to my border collie, Rocket, a few months ago. She was 14. I sat with her and it was one of the hardest things I have done, and I have sat with human family members who passed away in hospice. I just held her and cried into her fur.

    About 6 months before she passed I got a border collie puppy, Wallace. His personality is very different but, just like any border collie, he is my shadow and now he lays where she used to lay around the house (our rescue dog, Wren, does not do this). It may sound silly but as a border collie his fur and his smell is very much like Rocket's. He helps me keep her memories in a positive way. I would not say he has helped me move on, but he lessens the blow.



  4. I think its going to be very hard to determine 100% exactly why Tucker is biting. There are likely many factors. Just because the problem started after you went to work full time it does not mean that is nessecarily the cause or main cause. If I eat some applesauce every day at bfast, suddenly stop, and develop the flu it has nothing to do with my diet. This is a classic falacy of "correlation is not causation" So, the responses on the forum arent far fetched by any means.

    In terms of the shock collar it's really hard to know what Tucker assoicates with a shock. Punishment works when it is immediate (occurs during the bad behavior). That isnt really happening here. For all we know Tucker lives his life not really knowing when he will be zapped, which sucks. He could be associating any number of people, places, smells, or I objects with it. 

    So theres only a few things we really know here:

    -There have been a lot of changes in his life

    -He is being and has been improperly trained with his shock collar

    -He has reduced mental stimulation since his training sessions have been greatly reduced. 

    -He has started biting people in a very serious way that is not readily predictable by the members of the household.

    This is a very sad story and I don't envy you as this must be a huge stress point for you, Tucker, and your family.

    I think that sometimes we push more than we should on dogs. Think of no kill shelters and the attitude that all dogs can be saved and if you cant fix them youve failed. None of that makes sense for the welfare of dogs and people. If you euthanize him dont let these kinds of people and attitudes make you feel like a faliure or a bad person. 


  5. I agree with GentleLake and would explore sound triggers. Especially with the hiding in the tub behavior.

    I had a BC, Rocket, who started to lose a few marbles in her old age. She never liked thunderstorms as a young dog but started to react to very bizarre sounds when she got old. When she was about 13 she started to become really anxious, panting and running to her crate, when the dryer dinged or when the Xbox made sounds while you were navigating menus. After awhile she started to do this whenever I got the hiccups too. I did a little counter conditioning but mostly avoided the sounds at that point in her life. 

    So, long story short. If it is sound induced it could be really hard to figure out what it is. Good suggestions from both GentleLake and D'elle 



  6. Thanks Ruth. That's one of my favorite photos as well. I lost Rocket, on the left, to cancer just a few months after that. She was trying to sleep and Wren and Wallace just had to wrestle right next to her fore some reason. I always thought she was thinking "really? You have to do that right here?"

    Your comment on noise is interesting. All my BCs, even if not noise phobic, pay a lot more attention to sounds. I can take Wren grouse hunting and she will work and retrieve with the shotgun happily. My BCs will stick around and not bolt but are not generally happy with gunshots. Even with a gradual introduction - .22 at a long distance and slowly getting louder. Though I am sure there's a border collie hunting birds somewhere on this green Earth! 

  7. Thanks! Wren is the brown one. She might have some bc but I cant say for sure. She behaves a lot more like a hunting breed. Not gunshy or afraid of loud sounds, likes to retrieve and swim, zero interest in stock but starts shaking if she sees a squirrel she isnt allowed to chase. She really likes water and snow. Anything to stay cool. However, her most favorite thing to do is sleep on the couch. 


  8. Tama is really cute. 

    I also use the "go sniff" command. It's pretty nifty!

    If he is getting too amped up to do the behaviors successfully he likely isnt quite ready to walk nicely at the park or busy streets.

    I concur that practicing in the yard is really good. Once he's got that down visit a quiet road or a quiet park and then once he's got that move on to busier places. 

    I have a 10 month old I am working with on this same stuff. Heeling is just straight up hard to teach. I could teach Wallace to get me a beer from the fridge faster than I can teach him to heel nicely. 

    I found a nice article with some tips for keeping attention, which is pretty important for nice walks. I especially like the two-treat game. If I am out someplace and Wallace cant focus and do the two-treat game - I know sure as heck know he wont be able to do complex behaviors like heeling. When that happens I try to find a quieter spot where he can do the two treat game and then work on more complex stuff.


  9. 2 hours ago, CptJack said:


    More pictures- bottom paw  is cut off but you can still see he's pointing forward in motion.





    Sitting, little bit turned out with one.




    Forward again.


    Basically really, really, don't worry about it.

    Thanks everyone. I asked a vet in my agility class and she said the same thing. Im being overly paranoid about lazy feet. Plus he still has a little growing. He's my first agility dog ive started this young and I'm overly protective I guess.  Here are some better photos.




  10. This past year I lost my old dog Rocket. She was my first border collie that was really my dog and there won't be another one quite like her. 

    A few months before her passing, when I knew I just couldn't handle it, I got a little border collie and we named him Wallace. In the meantime we also rescued Wren. I was hoping she might have some BC in there and you could kinda see it when she was a puppy, but now I think it is just impossible to tell what breeds she is. 

    Either way, introducing Wallace the border collie and Wren! 







  11. http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/23181930


    So, I am thinking of asking my landlord if I can adopt this one. My landlord is exceptionally dog friendly, though there's always a chance he could say no. In the event that he says, "yes" I am trying to weigh the pros and cons of getting another dog...




    He has an awesome temperament

    He is young; so he would have many years of sheep herding, agility, and obedience ahead of him

    I really like him for some inexplicable reason

    He needs a home

    While in school I work a lot, but I have a flexible schedule and can often work from home.




    I'm a poor student, what if any of my pets get sick? I work at a vet office...so its cheaper and they will work with me...BUT it makes me uncomfortable not to have the emergency funds on hand. Maybe get pet insurance?


    I will eventually need to move. Rocket would be coming with me anyway, would it be harder to move with 2 dogs than 1? By the time I need to move the puppy will have his CGC barring some behavioral disaster. I will not leave my dogs behind so I can move to a new job; I love Rocket and I have invested way to much time, money, and energy to leave her. If I had a second dog; I think I would feel the same way.



    I'm trying to weigh this out in my head, and Ive been thinking on it for a couple weeks now. Is letting the dog rot in the shelter worse than bringing him home and risking vet bills I cannot afford?

  12. I usually make it down from North Idaho for the Trialing of the Sheep. It all depends on how much of that silly thing called homework I have from that evil thing called school. :P



    I feel you there... Homework and money make it hard to get to these things. But if there are enough people willing to go; lets make a part out of it.


    Hey, we have the exact same birthday.

  13. Thanks for all the well wishes. Rocket REALLY wanted to jump down out of the truck. So, getting her to look at the camera was a royal pain! I promise she normally looks pretty happy.


    Maybe all the stars will align and I cant get my title on Sunday? I shouldn't jinx myself by saying anything...

  14. Rocket and I participated in our first agility competition this morning. We started agility training in March, and we aren't quite ready for Standard. So, for our first time we did JWW- preferred height. To my amazement; we Q'd and she did her weaves correctly on the first try. I did have to babysit the weaves; and everyone laughed at my "weave pole dance". You'd be surprised how much hip shaking is involved. This is a week of firsts....herding clinic last weekend and agility this weekend! There were no other 16" dogs so we got a 1st place ribbon too... Only two dogs, including Rocket, Q'd in Novice A anyway; so I'll take that blue ribbon thank you!


    Hopefully this is the first step of many.

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  15. Rocket and I just got done with a very frustrating session on the weave poles. So this seemed like a good thread to vent... GOD DAMN YOU WEAVE POLES!!! Shakes fist*


    Every time a straighten just ONE of the middle weaves she pops out in the middle. They are so close to being straight anyway; I just want to pull my hair out. We use the bent weaves and slowly straighten. I tried them channeled today with the same results. As soon as two poles line up she pops out. Maybe I'll put them by a wall so she cant pop out on the left? Ugh.

  16. I've been watching the FB page for this most of the evening while I study for an exam. One of the members started a fund for Elicia to help with vet, medical, and automobile costs. I don't know the particulars of the person who created the account, and I am hoping like hell they are trustworthy. The fund went from about 300 dollars raised an hour and half ago to OVER 5000 dollars now. The events, while tragic, have also been very revealing about the agility community, border collie community, and use of social media. Someone even offered to pay for a helicopter search. I hope they find the last dog soon!



  17. I was only able to attend one day of the Jack Knox clinic, but it was worth it. I arrived late because I had to work early that morning, and there were about 5 dogs ahead of me on the roster. One thing Jack kept telling everyone was that they needed to relax; not to worry about how well the dog preformed. My friends in the association told me the same thing. I think that secretly, anyone who pays for a clinic wants to impress the clinician with their dog. If Jack Knox really likes your dog; wouldn't that be something? My biggest insecurity was that I would enroll in a clinic; my dog and I being so inexperienced, and the clinician would tell me, "Your dog is terrible, you don't know what you're doing, and neither of you should be here." So, I tried to take everyone's advice seriously; don't worry about how the dog will do. In fact, I knew our first turn would probably be pretty terrible. Rocket hadn't seen sheep in a month, and got really antsy and fussy the minute she saw them through the fence. Also, Jack used a flag rather intensely with the dogs that went before us. Rocket always shuts down when I use a flag, so I use a dressage whip when necessary. Jack talked a lot about not allowing the dog to be fearful, so I thought that asking him to use my dressage whip instead of a flag was completely out of the question. I also convinced myself that there probably wasn't much Jack hadn't seen when it comes to sheep dogs, and Rocket probably wasn't going to surprise him or be the first dog in the history of border collies to be soft on flags. So, when it was out turn I explained we were new, she hadn't been on sheep more than handful of times, I could down her- just not while she was herding sheep, and that she is fond of working too close and cutting in. I'd been assured by the other handlers that these things are pretty typical of inexperienced dogs, and that she isn't just a half-wit that likes to chase sheep. In fact, I have seen her do some wonderfully intuitive things while on sheep, just not with consistency. So, Jack asked me to let her go and send her off. I did, and she immediately cut in, scattering the sheep everywhere. Jack smacked down the flag and gave her a correction. When she tried to run for the gate, he chased her and prodded her with the flag. She came off the gate and I sent her again. This time she came up behind the sheep and Jack gave her a "lie down" command. Boom: she laid down. I was impressed. Jack used the flag, and issued the corrections. I encouraged the dog to keep going in-spite of the flag, and we made some headway. She was really stopping to think about what she was doing. During out second turn she didn't run and cut in like a wild thing, but hung back a bit more and paid some mind to what Jack and I wanted her to do. She wasn't perfect, and still cut in a couple times when she was unsure of what she needed to do, but her mindset changed. She was thinking about what I wanted; rather than running me over with sheep.


    I really want to go to more clinics, and hear about different training philosophies. Its been hard for me to abandon my old habits concerning rewards and punishment because I have done so much obedience/trick training. At one point I leaned over to a friend of mine and whispered, "Don't tell anyone, but I have dog treats in my bag!" We both had a good laugh. I didn't intend to use the treats for training, but I tend to keep them with my dog stuff, and have had an interesting conversation or two about them while at stock dog event.


    Training dogs on stock is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different than anything I have ever done, and I don't have it remotely figured out. Going to the clinic was a great first exposure, and I have many years ahead to learn to be a better trainer.


    One nice thing is that Rocket and I do this for fun. I take her because she appears to enjoy it, and I've always wanted to learn how to train sheep dogs. I don't have the pressure of running a farm, breeding dogs, or taking Rocket to trials. We are there to have fun, and if we learn something: great! So far, we've learned lots and we get better each time I take her out.

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