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  1. A lady on my flyball club who does competition obedience believes in the forced retrieve including the ear pinch. I do not believe in it but as long as the negative does not happen in flyball training/practice I don't say much. The problem with forced retrieve for obedience training is that once you go into another venue like flyball, the dog must continue the proper retrieve otherwise it can cause problems in the obedience ring. I recently had to tell this team member that she must watch doing ear pinching at practice with her border collie that is in training for flyball. He is an obedience dog and in flyball he blows off the ball at times. A couple weeks ago he was blowing off the ball so she did a forced retrieve with ear pinch which made him scream. After practice was over I had to tell her she can't do that again. Yes the dog will scream if you look at him sideways but negative treatment over a ball is not acceptable in flyball practice. I understand why she did it but did not agree with it. Her fear is him blowing off his retrieve in the obedience ring if he starts blowing it off in flyball practice. Come to find out she was quite upset over my saying she cannot do the forced retrieve/ear pinch during practice and supposedly is threatening to leave the team. If she decides to quit then we will miss her and her dogs but I can't let her do something that the club as a whole does not agree with.
  2. yes will be there. I am with FBI - VA
  3. Poor Bunny. Depending on what you are feeding, I would look into a no-grain diet. A yeast infection on the skin and other places can be from food issues. If I remember correctly, this would also include not feeding things like carrots as it can break down in a way that can increase the yeast or something. 2 of my dogs have food allergies and I know many others that have food issues. One of them had a nasty skin yeast infection. It covered almost his whole body. I would also look into whether it would make sense to put Bunny on an anti-fungal to try and knock it out while treating the symptoms and if not already switching to a no-grain food if not being fed. Hopefully you can figure it out.
  4. It could be separation anxiety or she could just be bored. Are you able to put anything in it to help keep her busy? Some kind of bones, treat balls, kongs, etc... something to keep her occupied. You may want to see about using video to see how she is acting to help figure out what the real problem is...
  5. Is this Poe from 4DN. I never realized it. This is Kim from FBI.
  6. I would explain to the instructor that he has separation anxiety and you have worked hard to get it under control and that you would like them to release him sooner before he gets to the point of anxious barking. They may not realize that was what he was doing. You would be amazed at the different sounds that come from the dogs so since they do not know your dog then they don't know he has had some problems in the past. Then again, if you are being a worry-wort then you may be misconstruing his barking thinking it was an anxious but when it was really an overly excited bark. It is hard to tell sometimes but you know your dog. Most instructors are willing to listen BUT the students have to be willing to talk to us. Yes I am the trainer for my club. I have students that will talk a lot, some hardly at all and some who just won't listen. I would prefer a student to ask for their dog to be trained a little different than for the student to give up before giving me a chance to find a better way. No 2 dogs can be trained the same. You will always have to alter your methods even if slightly to get different dogs trained.
  7. Restrained recalls are definitely a big part of flyball. If you want to think about it as an obedience exercise think of it as creating a better recall to you and normally this also creates a faster recall even outside flyball. The exercise is basically a chase game. The dog is to chase you as fast as possible. Depending on the club's training methods, the next step could be to add one jump into the mix, then 2, etc... a lot depends on the training by the club and the dog itself. Another aspect of the restrained recalls is teaching the dog to come to YOU and not visit with other people and other dogs. I promote the teasing for lesser drive dogs. For high drive dogs that don't need the extra motivation, I don't worry so much about the teasing. I will have the Owner/Handler take off running and as they are running, I will have them call the dog and release immediately. The exercise can be done in different ways. If your dog is going bonkers and you are afraid of messing up the recall command, choose a different command to use in flyball. We have a lady on the club with border collies. She shows the dogs and does competition obedience. She does NOT allow barking, whining, etc... Her dogs do not make sounds EXCEPT in flyball. She decided to allow them to bark some but not constant barking. She considerd flyball a release for her dogs and they know the difference beween being in flyball and being outside of flyball and how they must act.
  8. The video is cute and I would call it dancing with a dog. As for the dog walking/jumping on its back legs, well, some dogs do those types of things as a preference at times. As someone said this dog likes walking on its back legs mainly. I knew a dog that walked on its front legs mainly. Yes this type of walking long term may not be great for the dog but then again it is not our dog. After TPLO surgery, some of the rehab exercises was working on teaching my acd to walk on her back legs while I held her front legs. At the same time, we would also shift her body side to side... and yes we did add some other exercises into the mix but she spent a lot of time on her back legs. I an guarantee it was probably 10-15 minutes out of 25 or so minutes. If I felt the thighs on that dog, I would probably be envious.
  9. My bc was spayed when she was 7 months old give or take. She most likely has BCC and had no issues. I don't think the 2 technically correlate to one another but who knows.
  10. If you are concerned about rimadyl then ask the vet about alternatives. I am currently using deramaxx instead of rimadyl but have no issue rimadyl. Once of my acds was on it for a couple months at a time. She is accident prone. My toy poodle was even on it after his back issues. I would sit down with your vet and find out the different options. If the vet is only willing to give you 2-3 options when there are obviously more out there then maybe you need a second opinion. I am a firm believer in Quality of Life, not Quantity of life. If there is a drug out there to help a dog be pain-free for whatever time they have left I am all for it even if it shortens the lifespan. It is hard to make decisions. My eldest is 12 now (one of the acds and the accident prone one) and well she is starting to show her age. She still plays flyball after 2 knee surgeries but those days are also numbered. All I can say is good luck.
  11. You can also go here http://furfunflyball.com/caninesbcs2.php and check out Flash a smooth merle tri border collie.
  12. It depends on the dog. I have one that works better for a ball than food. I was training with him today on the flyball box as he has been a little lazy. I had string cheese and he was getting a ball. He followed my hand - the one with the ball in it. I even tried to put the cheese in his face and he totally ignored it. Years ago he would spit food for a ball and I wanted to see if he was still that way and yep he is. If I don't have a ball handy, I usually have a tug and he will work almost as well with a tug. Now if there are NO toys around, he will do whatever I ask for food and will go crazy over any kind even kibble. I have one that if he does flyball I used to have to make special treats for him. He now runs for string cheese or hot dogs but HE will kill for cut up chicken marinated in a honey/garlic sauce and baked. It is like doggy crack for him. Another 2 will work as hard for kibble compared to cheese, hamburger or even cheese. The bc likes to also play tug and ball but food is what it takes in a group class or activity. I can tell she is comfortable if she tugs when in a group. The other, an acd, is a rescue and never learned to play with anything or even obedience commands. She loves to learn and will do anything you ask for any kind of food. Then the last one prefers a quick tug session while learning. She will train for food but she LOVES tug. Basically, for a puppy class, I would go with a really smelly treat and would cut whatever it is up in advance so you can reward faster. If your dog really loves toys you can try a toy in class. Who cares if you don't get as many reps of a command in as long as you are getting what you ask for.
  13. Thanks Mark. I have sent to a large flyball list that reaches probably a couple thousand folks. Hopefully this will help get more border collies entered in the study. I also gave permission to cross post so that should also help.
  14. Mark - can I assume it would be ok to post this on other forums? I can post to the big flyball list or even smaller ones.
  15. My border collie this problem as a puppy. She had 2 different crystals showing up. We found it was food based - she can't handle veggies very well and we also put on a powder for a few weeks to straighten out the PH Balance. I can't remember the name of the stuff though but it basically makes them want to drink more.
  16. I feed Petcurean - NOW! Grain Free. I order it online from k9cuisine which has free shipping on orders over $50 I think. I chose this grain free recently because the protein is 26% instead of 30-40% as it is with other foods. So far I have been happy with this food and has high quality controls and is made in Canada. I have fed Inova Evo, Before Grain, Wellness Core and another couple that I don't recall the names. I switch the dog food every few months.
  17. If I know the dogs are housebroken and can hold it, I ignore the whining. The dogs learn to get up early because we allow it. It may suck for a couple days but try ignoring them. My dogs will sleep until at least 8am (many times 10am). They rarely wake us up and if they do it means they seriously need to potty.
  18. Mary I know what you mean. I know for a fact that Denali was not socialized and her originals took her lunging at people on walks as a sign of being over friendly when it was aggression. I have a lot of info on her. I have a bc that I got as an 8 week old pup that was well socialized with people and dogs. She has many issues and she is what she is. She is on melatonin full time to take the edge off. It helps but she is still a neurotic mess.
  19. Here is an example of how a young adult can be good and bad: I rescued an ACD at the end of Feb. She had no training for anything. Obedience - what do you mean sit, I am so happy to see you let me lunge all 4 feet off the ground full speed ahead and try to knock you down, a ball what is that, oh look your hands look like they are great for biting... This is what I have to deal with my new ACD. She is now 18 months old (confirmed as I found out her DOB). She is smart as a whip, hard headed to no end, wants to please but she was NOT socialized to people or dogs much. She has some fear aggression to get past. She will also be a fighter and not a flight dog. Denali is doing great but it has not been easy. She competed for the first time in a flyball competition this past week - just a couple runs. Overall I was very pleased. When she finally gets it she could actually go sub 4s. Do I think she will I don't know. We are dealing with a few issues and constantly have to be on guard. I keep saying if only I had her as a puppy she would be more the way a strong ACD needs to act. She would not be so out of hand. We are still working on many things but her training has been very hard and breaking her bad habits is almost impossible. She is actually a very dangerous dog because she is so exuberant that her lunging jumping at you causes bodily harm. Getting her as a puppy would have given us a totally different dog. There are some reasons that having a younger puppy helps prevent some bad habits and start foundation training means they could have a more promising career. Was Denali what I wanted in a dog, not really. I don't like puppies but I find it easier to start the foundation training as pups not young adults. And yeah Nali is learning things quickly - not many dogs can start competing with less than 6 months of training. I am lucky she is smart as a whip and wanting to please otherwise she would probably not be with me.
  20. A lot of sport people want puppies simply because there is foundation training that is usually or can be done with a puppy. My teammate is willing to take a rescue pup or a working bred pup and yep AKC pup. We have another teammate who only buys AKC border collies and is trying really hard to get the other teammate to buy one of these pups. I know my teammate feels pulled in 2 directions - since I am saying get working bred while the other one says get AKC. At the same time, my teammate would probably be willing to try herding so the breeder could evaluate the dog. How often said person would be willing to go out is another question? If I could find a working bred pup for my teammate I would be willing to try and get her to agree to giving herding a chance down the road. Herding is not my thing but then again, I don't have a dog that can herd. It is a sad statement when my poodle has more potential than any of my other dogs. I think if sport people on this forum would be willing to help convince sport competitors to go the working dog route and to give the breeder a chance to evaluate the dog down the road, I think it would go a long way to appease both sides. Breeding working bred border collies to help fulfill a need in the sport world is not something I think is correct answer. I do think that working breeders need to find a way to let sport people know when they have pups available to sport homes though. I rarely know of any working bred litters because well I don't frequent the sites where they are posted or I don't know the right people. If I was looking for a working bred border collie I do think I would feel comfortable asking for advice from some of the folks on the board (offline).
  21. I am in the sport world since I play flyball. When I got my bc I was asked to take her to sheep at least twice. I fulfilled that request even though I do not really plan to ever compete in herding. Tempe flunked herding 101 and I believe it has a lot to do with her temperament and being so fearful. I took her back to the breeders one for training and I took her to someone on these boards once. I probably could have tried again when she was 2 yrs old to see if there was a difference but I didn't do that. Now if Tempe would have shown any talent for herding I probably would have gone back for more lessons as I want her to be happy. I think sport homes would be more likely to honor the request that the dog be introduced to sheep than a straight pet home but I could be wrong. I saw nothing wrong with the request that my dog needs to be introduced to sheep and see nothing wrong with being asked to spay/neuter. I currently have a teammate who is looking for a bc puppy but she would like working lines. She doesn't even know where to start and doesn't want to fly a dog. She wants to see the pup before she buys. She is even willing to take one up to about 6 months of age. She lives in a townhouse, plays flyball and goes for walks. It is not always easy to find a working pup for someone like her who won't take sports real seriously. Oh and she is not someone who wants to pay $1000 for a dog.
  22. Kristie lost Kayla Tues during a storm. Kayla is not only deaf but also has a vestibular disease and is 13 yrs old I believe. There was a search party this evening which included a tracker. Kayla was tracked back to the woods near their house but there has not been any other sign of her. Keep praying for Kayla to return home safely. A couple weeks ago another dog in NC that plays flyball ran off during a storm and unfortunately there was not a happy ending. The woman who owned that dog had just lost her husband and the dog was his... I am really hoping Kayla is found safely. The weather has been extremely hot.
  23. I also would not let the circling but wouldn't be mean about it. She just needs interrupted. Julie - have you thought about a regular whistle than you can blow to just get the attention of the dog and maybe stop the spins so you can then distract with something more appropriate... not real sure what would work but just a thought.
  24. Hi Liz - glad to know Gift is not as prone. Tempe has not had any issues so far but I have been very careful. Heat intolerance can be managed but sometimes it just sneaks up on you and the dog. Episodes are bound to happen so I am thankful there is research being done and maybe some day they will be able to truly be able to tell us what to give our dogs to help.
  25. When playing outdoors I look for the signs: dilated pupils, toungue hanging out and tip curled, the tongue turning a dark red... when the tongue starts getting darker and the eyes start dilating I stop, go inside and cool off my dog or spray them down with a hose. I usually play in the shade or late evening and only for a short time as it is too hot and muggy here right now. Some of the dogs are getting some pool time instead. I was told you should actually not feed ice cubes to overheated dogs but can't remember the exact reason - something about the core temp or something. I have also been told you should not just let them lie in water when they are hot as it does not help cool them down and could cause them to warm up more again I can't remember the reason.
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