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  1. The point is not for the dog to think the prop is there. The point is trying to get them to do the turn without thinking at all. It should just be part of the game. The props just help make sure the dog knows what is expected. You will see many boxes with white at the bottom of the box to "similate" the jump. I don't know if this really helps or not. There are many dogs out there that have fabulous turns with props but once the props come out the turn goes to crap. It may go to crap as soon as the prop comes out or it may take 2-3 runs before it happens. There are many teams out there that as soon as the turn starts going bad the dog is pulled from the race. I don't do this with my club since we don't really have that serious of a team or dogs that are fast enough to hurt themselves. Well we do have 2 dogs that are fast enough and have terrible boxturns and I am surprised more injuries haven't happened. Now the decision you have to make is what kind of boxturn you want on your dog. Personally, I am ok with a 3 footed boxturn but I do prefer a 4 footed one. Also, when you look at the turn is it an up and down turn or my of a side turn (hard to explain)? The up and down turn is not correct and I believe that many dogs that were trained with an up and down turn are much slower on the box, have a tendency to bobble and some jump early to the box causing them to crash the box without props.
  2. For many dogs that were taught with a prop, we try to always remember to put the prop and yes leave it there all the time. Even warmups at tourneys should have the props in but I admit my club is bad about this. Some dogs will rarely have box issues and you don't need the props but some dogs always need a reminder. If you take the props away too soon there is a very good chance the boxturn will go bad and quickly.
  3. There is a legal length now for tourneys which I think is about 50 ft or so but clubs can get an exception to the rule but the tourney will not count for regionals. Re: Turn I agree with Laura (Rave). You need to move your dog back slowly and when needed move up to keep the turn nice. I would keep the props in full time when in training and during warmups at tourneys. It takes many, many reps for muscle memory to stick so if you pull your props out too early the turn will breakdown. Also, in a tourney a turn may breakdown if the dog is getting tired because many times a dog is not in "flyball tourney shape" so will get lazy. I know from experience my newest flyball dog is having this issue currently. On placement of props that really will depend on how you trained the turn originally, whether the dog is jumping onto the box to early compared to jumping late, etc... You will need to post video in order to really get more help. Many times folks will put the prop too far from the box causing the dog to jump to the box early which causes the turn to breakdown. Some folks will use a prop incorrectly regarding positioning in general. Once you have video we will be able to help you more.
  4. So I have 3 females and 2 males. The females are a border collie and both cattledogs while the males are a toy poodle and borderjack. The youngest acd at 2 yrs (a rescue that came with issues but is greatly improved) and the eldest acd at 13 yrs have some issues. The young acd, Denali, does not like us playing with the eldest acd, Foster. If we do, Denali will attack Foster. Foster growls and such when playing so not sure if Denali is protecting us or just being a bitchy female who is lacking in social skills. Denali is a wannabe alpha dog while Foster is the alpha dog. Tempe the border collie is 5 yrs old and she respects both acds and is quite submissive to them. She was taught early on that you don't mess with Foster and don't mess with the poodle. Tempe is the fun police now but no one really takes her that serious. My poor borderjack, Riot 7yrs, is everyone's bestfriend but is also the one everyone picks on at the same time. He rarely fights back and tries everything to avoid a confrontation. He is at the bottom in my house. The toy poodle, Aspen, rules the roost for the most part. Denali has recently decided to take cheap shots at him. The problem is he goes back after her which is a big problem. Now we are working these issues. Luckily none of the issues has truly escalated to bloodshed and has been all noise but I have to keep an eye out. I can leave 4 dogs, not the newest acd, out together and unattended without issue. I cannot leave Denali out with anyone because at some point I know she will attack. I can stop an "attack" with a strong yell from a couple hundred feet away but that may not always work and I can't guarantee I can get there before she really hurts one of the other dogs so all interaction is supervised. After all this I would say if you bring in another female, I would serious think about a puppy or foster a one for a few weeks and see how everyone gets along. Denali has added a ton of stress into our home and I just wonder if it would have been better if we would have gotten her as a puppy. ACDs are notorious for needing to be socialized with people and dogs early on or you end up with some aggression issues and well we are doing our best to manage it. She is better but will not be 100% trustworthy. With a better trainer she could but not with me.
  5. Since I am not a herding person I would say that someone may want to try their non-traditional herding breed because they want to try different things with their dog. I won't say a non-herding breed would ever truly compete against a herding breed but you could find that one in a million non-herding breed that would do ok and hold their own. Yes I tried herding with all my dogs except the rescue acd. My acd from working lines failed. I think it was my fault since I waited to late in life for her and totally refused to allow her to do things as a pup and probably created a different bond that did not allow for her to herd. My bc mix at the time was a rescue. She also failed. She thought sheep should be lunch so once I caught her I refused to let her back in with the sheep. I did not appreciate her treatment of them. My toy poodle at the time actually did the best. Yes it was just a game to see what would happen since I had him with me. And yes there was a time that poodles were used for some herding. He had a nice outrun and would take the sheep off the fence without issue. When a ram attempted to ram him my poodle gripped. The ram no longer attempted that and the sheep actually respected him and he was only about 6 lbs at the time. Do I consider what he did really herding? No I do not. For him it was a game but a game he may have done well with in time. I have since tried my borderjack to see what would happen. He failed. I tried my border collie a couple times as this was a requirement. She failed. She has temperament issues which could have lead to inability to work sheep. She was also still young and I should have tried again with her but haven't done so. So yeah I can see why someone would want to try herding with a non-traditional breed but I doubt many would do well but see nothing wrong with trying. You never know what you may get.
  6. 4 of my dogs do it naturally. The eldest ACD won't even think about it. The youngest ACD tries it but messes it up plus she is the one who has busted my lip open so we limit her ability to jump up. My toy poodle loves this game and he has been taught to vault off my thigh so he can get higher. The border collie just does it. The command for jumping into arms for us is a hand signal with our hands above our head and clap. Another thing to teach is them to do hand touches and once they learn that you can start raising your hand higher and higher. Once they start getting that figured out you can then switch over to catching them.
  7. While at rest pups are not jiggling their bladders hence not needing to pee as much. When out and about they are more mobile hence they need to pee more. It is not uncommon for puppies to need to potty every hour at this age.
  8. My experience is that many ortho vets will now repair the partial tears which I would recommend. Arthritis will set in from the instability of the joint. 6 plus yrs ago the ortho vets would not repair a partial tear. My acd has had TPLO on both knees at age 7 and 9. Both times she came back to continue playing flyball. She is now almost 13 and was just retired from flyball in March. She also had a reaction to the TPLO from when she was 9 yrs old and that plate has now been removed. You can try the conservative treatment but the tear never really heals. I know some dogs that went that route and it is a crapshoot on whether it works or not. I believe the conservative treatment involved months of crate rest with only leash walks. I know some folks ended up with doing the crate rest for 6-12 months. I personally would plan to save the money and have surgery to repair the tear in the near future. You can go without it for awhile and the lameness will probably come and go.
  9. I have 5 dogs and my latest was a 1 yr old acd rescue. She was totally bonkers when we got her. She has a loving side, a I really want to please side and the side that takes over most times is I am in the devil side. When we got her she had very little training, if any (unless she lost it all). She climbed on counters, she would launch all 4 feet off the ground full steam ahead at you when she wanted to say hi and she could not relax. She busted my lip open a couple times since I was not fast enough to get out of the way. She is not a bad dog. She just has some issues that we had/have to overcome. We have had her a year now and she is greatly improved. She went from the attention span of a gnat to liking to learn things. 30 seconds of training had her foaming at the mouth so we had to build learning up slowly because it blew her mind. She no longer launches at you but still gets excited. She learned flyball before learning to retrieve a ball outside. She still gets the zoomies sometimes which leaves the family room/kitchen a mess but she just can't help it. The best thing though is she learned how to chill out. For 2 months, she couldn't really relax. If her eyes started closing while she was laying with you she would jump up and start trouble of some kind. By 3 months of having her she did start to relax more and now, she is quite content to lie on the couch with you or just go lie on the floor. Denali is still a work in progress. We are still workig on self control, impulse control and just plain control at times. She has some fear aggression with people and dogs that we have been working on and she has improved. Flyball has been her godsend. She loves the game and every night she still asks to go out to the garage for boxwork even though I rarely do that with her at home any more and last time was at least a month ago. We basically work on control, NILIF (a modified version) and chilling out. Yes I failed fostering 101 with Nali.
  10. It really does depend on how quickly you release a dog compared to the lights and how fast your dog is to the lights. I know my dog only changed by a couple feet back in U-Fli but know another that moved almost 10ft further back in U-Fli. I would say move back 5ft and adjust from there. You can get the freebie false start so I would use it. Or if they offer SDR that night before maybe sign up so you can work the starts.
  11. Tempe has been bitten/stung by something twice now. Luckily not in the last year (knock on wood). Both times she ended up with hives that started on her face and then proceeded to come up all over her body. The first time we went to the emergency vet who gave her steriods and such. The next day the hives showed up again so off to the regular vet since it was now Monday. They have us steriods for at home and said sometimes the reaction can last a couple days. It was weird that it came and went. Seems her adrenaline kept it at bay but once she settled it got worse. A week later she was finally better. The second time, we were able to get benedryl in her quickly and went to the regular vets. More steriods for a week. It is definitely scary to see the reaction happening. Glad Cadi is ok.
  12. So Tempe is in the Border Collie Collapse study going on and she had an episode today. Since my house is on a hill and it has been so wet, I have not taken the dogs out to play much the last 2 weeks. I am afraid of injury since I already have one dog that had TPLO on both knees. It is a warm day but a nice breeze and getting to play ball sent Tempe over the edge. She was being crazy and less than 10 minutes of alternating throwing a ball for 3 dogs and the last few throws I gave Tempe a ball to maul so she wouldn't chase balls any more we came inside. She seemed fine when we came inside and not even 5 minutes later she was getting wobbly and her mental functions were poor. Off to the bathtub we went and I ran cool water over her but mainly her belly. While in the tub she also got a quick bath since she was very muddy. Now 20 minutes later and she is totally back to normal. I really hope they officially can diagnose BCC soon and that I can truly put a name with these episodes. They don't happen often since I monitor her play time and stop before she goes over the edge but I obviously missed the signs today.
  13. My vets have commented numerous times about how slow and steady my dogs heart rates are and they are so glad of it. Even my toy poodle has a nice slow heart rate Many vets don't quite get the athlete dog and the fact their heart rate is normally slower and as long as it is steady there is no need to freak. My rescue acd is fearful of people and going to the vet was something I dreaded but she was due for her yearly checkup. Even with how freaked out she was the vet tech and vet commented how slow her heart rate was well until they tried to draw blood. That caused major issues. Anyways, I would call your vet and have him explain to you what he really meant by the heart was laboring. From there you and the vet can decide if you need to take the next step of running tests.
  14. Food allergies are a root case for ear infections. My toy poodle can't have food with gluten and my borderjack can't have grains. Depending on what you are feeding you may want to see about switching foods. At the same time, I would also ask the vet to put Isla on an anti-fungal for a month. The recurring ear infection could be happening because it has never really cleared up hence the anti-fungal which is just a pill. We changed Riot's food, ear meds for 2 weeks and an anti-fungal for a month and his ears finally improved and he has maybe had 2 ear infections in the last 4 yrs and those were my fault for not paying attention to what folks were feeding him.
  15. I think the need for referral will depend on the area where you live. We had to have a referral to the ortho vet but did not need one for rehab.
  16. First, I would treat him as a puppy with housebreaking. If he does not do his business when out for a walk, then in a crate he goes when you get back. I would not consider the dog housebroken since he poops in the house hence he can't have freedom. If he is having accidents in the house you can only blame yourself, sorry to say. A long leash is a good idea if he has a shy bowel but if you keep giving him freedom in the house so he can poop in the house then he will not learn to go outside. I also give commands for going to the bathroom (pee - do your business, poop - finish your business) and yes the dogs have learned the difference. When they are just learning to be housebroken then I will praise them for going outside and I try not to give them a chance to go inside. My rescue tried to poop in the house the 2nd night but since she was not given much freedom I was able to catch her in the act and get her outside before she actually pooped in the house. She tried it once more after that and again, I got her outside quickly. She has not attempted to poop in the house since. I did not yell, hit, etc... I just said no and picked her up and took her outside.
  17. I won't surgery is a must if it is a torn CCL but for an extremely active dog I do believe it is the best option. I would do crate rest and leash walks for at least 4 weeks, maybe longer and then slowly increase activity and see what happens.
  18. You don't always get swelling with a torn CCL in the knee. My ACD has had TPLO in both knees and just this week had to have the plate/screws removed in the one leg. Anyways, if after the crate rest/leash walks, if the lameness is still there or returns I would go to an ortho vet. Regular votes are pretty good but ortho is not their specialty. And yes, when getting up from laying down and lifting a leg and hopping for a short time but then seeming fine can be a sign of a CCL injury. I would also look at the toes. It could be a strained/pulled muscle... then again, it couldn't hurt to be tested for a tick borne disease at some point. Sorry not much help but so many vets do miss the CCL as the real issue. The limping can come and go for a long time. It happened with my ACD for 2 yrs before the CCL finally tore 100%. The ortho vet said all the symptoms leading up to it meant she probably had a slightly torn one the entire time.
  19. You can also try running away from him once he gets the ball. I teach my flyball students to not throw the ball very far and as they throw the ball and the dogs chases it, I have the student run up behind the dog some and when the dog turns around the student takes off running. I start with short distances since for; 1. flyball you want the dog to actually chase the owner as fast as possible 2. dogs don't understand the game if there is too much distance too soon 3. some dogs may drop the ball early. With some time I will allow the owners to start throwing the ball further. I also do the 2 ball thing at times. Now if he is so ball obsessed have you tried using the ball as a reward instead of treats, etc... maybe this would make learning the commands a tad more fun.
  20. Did anyone decide to look at the ages of some of the dogs being bred? "Adam Lambert" is not even 1 yrs old, a couple females are not even 2 or just turned 2, 1 female that is almost 9 yrs... very sad. I do remember her and yes many folks tried to mentor her online until she left in a huff. It is sad but it is what it is. People cannot take on the responsibilities of others via the internet. This person and who knows if she really is a kid, will do what she wants, when she wants. There is no talking to her or reasoning.
  21. We also have some people who play flyball: 1 has Muscular Dystrophy and is in a wheelchair. He can run some dogs in flyball but he normally does the other jobs. Then you have the Muscular Sclerosis ladies that play. How about those with heart conditions - I could go on and on... whether it is flyball, herding, agility or just taking a walk with your dog and training it, it is a benefit to all. As I mentioned earlier, I have very little cartilage in my knees and walking is painful even when on meds. I have arthritis and bone spurs in my back. I have neuritis in my foot. My dogs may not be obedience dogs and have their own craziness but I would not give them up for anything. I just don't like people using pain as an excuse. If her knees are that bad then maybe she could spend the time teaching the dogs to be a service dog helping her with things. I guess you could try that way of thinking - if you train the dog you can also teach it to help you...
  22. Well I have knee issues (on prescription meds to help) and back issues and I manage to work with my dogs. I also play flyball with them. The knee issue is an excuse to not train her dog. Exercise and building muscle is the best way to help bad knees. I know many folks with true handicaps that manage to train their dogs and compete is different activities. We have one lady on our club that is relatively young who has a pacemaker, paralyzed lower leg, metal rod in her back and some other issues plus works full time, runs a horse barn (and breeding high quality horses) and she finds time and stamina to train her dogs and compete in flyball. Personally, I would recommend that this person rehome the dog or get off their butt and spend the time on the dog that the dog deserves.
  23. I have 2 ACDs and Fame does not remind me of ACD. ACDs have many looks and many colors and are not necessarily spotted. Fame looks like she could be all BC to me. Fame is pretty and that is all that matters
  24. Now that I have a couple minutes I can give a more complete response. You probably won't be able to change the parents minds on the pups. All you can do is offer to help in some way: help find a training class, go over and help with training or maybe even try and them interested in some kind of dog sport. The pups won't really get better with age unless they learn to chill out and listen. If the pups are destroying so much stuff they are putting the dogs at risk for a blockage. They have no clue if anything is being ingested and if it is, a blockage is sure to come. A friend recently had to put her dog down for a blockage (2 or 3rd surgery in 2 yrs) and 2 other friends dogs have recently had blockage surgery. Maybe you can work on the medical aspect of training. They obviously love the dogs and don't see anything wrong with them so at the same time use it against them. Try and make them understand that the destruction and possible ingestion of things, including fabric, can cause a blockage.
  25. Sounds to me that more than exercise the dogs need training. Maybe try to convince them to sign the dogs up for some kind of obedience class or if you have the time maybe you can go over and help work with the dogs.
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